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SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO
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Regarding Quiet's humming; it'd have worked so much better to have her hum along with the background music / currently playing tape; similar to Transistor. Though I guess the combination of recording so much extra material and any additional licensing fees from applying that mechanic to licensed music would make it unrealistic unless they only had it work for a few songs.
They should have gotten Sutherland to sing Love Deterrence; it'd have been a more effective use of their budget than having him record lines for a cutscene nobody will ever see ingame.
They should have gotten Sutherland to sing Love Deterrence; it'd have been a more effective use of their budget than having him record lines for a cutscene nobody will ever see ingame.
orthodoxy1095
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This is precisely what I'm talking about with freedom not meaning too much. Sure, I could switch up my equipment to just change things up for the sake of change. But because things about the bases tend to remain so damn static, changing my loadout hardly matters to me. You're forced to return to these locales so many times that you just begin to memorize the places and it's easy as shit, almost regardless of loadout. The only thing that could make an encounter more intense is if you forced yourself to do a subsistence style playthrough.
When I saw the AI start putting on helmets and nightvision goggles, I guess I expected the game to start getting harder and smarter. And it never really did.
infinityBCRT
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No reflex and no marking would be the difficulty modifiers here...
IDKAboutThat
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It's a bizarre decision. Or at least, it'll be bizarre until Konami comes out and announces their difficulty pack DLC for $30. Then we'll all realize why.
Well, I think he's pretty cool. Better than Big Boss at least
I'll just make up a backup of this one...
really, for me it howed that solid snake is the better man in every way
really wish that if konami ever decides to do another MGS, it would be a game that encompasses the events of Outer Heaven, Zanzibar and Shadow moses, even have an idea on how the game and its gameplay would go down
It always bothered me when I'd order her to scout a camp only to end up seeing her SONIC BOOMING down the middle of the place throwing up huge dust clouds while the guards carried on oblivious to the devastation around them.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Whoa.
Well, I think he's pretty cool. Better than Big Boss at least
Feels like this should be set to some Policenauts music
mgs2master2
Banned
Are you feeling the TRUE Phantom Pain yet?
I'm pretty sure everyone came to the same conclusion.
For sure, I mean it was Solid Snake that actually fulfilled The Boss' will...while Zero and BB were too busy being losers and completely going against what The Boss gave up he life for.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Big Boss = Commander of FOXHOUND and later Zanzibar Land
Venom Boss = Commander of Outer Heaven (Formed from Diamond Dogs)
This much is fact. Whether Boss sent Solid to kill V or wanted V to succeed are unknown and left up to interpretation
I like to think that after the whole Skull Face affair and (brief) reconciliation with Cipher that BB was his public face for politics while the younger V was his field agent and manager of sorts, keeping the legendary soldier at his prime from everyone else's point of view. Makes the body double thing make more sense and V hasn't aged in the ending
That's just my headcanon though
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Well, I think he's pretty cool. Better than Big Boss at least
He is pretty bad ass. XD
True enough. That's a point I really liked about Super Bunnyhop's review, how he mentions how Solid Snake did a better job realizing The Boss' will unintentionally. XD
This game makes me so torn. LOVE the gameplay, but the story just feels empty to me.
I'm reminded of a Zero Punctuation review when he was talking about how Splatterhouse just stops rather than has a proper ending. He suggests the easy way around this would be to make the Ending First, then the Opening, and then all the stuff in the middle because that way if you have to cut anything it'll be a piece of fluff from the middle.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Solidus is not mentioned at all in this game. He was born anywhere from 1972 to 1976.
In the late 80s and early 90s he was engaged in some kind of civil war in Africa, presumably the Liberian Civil War. There he led a small boy unit, of which one of the child soldiers was Raiden.
Fast forward to 2000 or 2004 where Solidus is elected president of the US under the codename George Sears. By this point he looks at least a decade older than Liquid and Solidus despite actually being younger. This accelerated aging is the tradeoff for being a perfect genetic clone of Big Boss. He sends Ocelot to egg Liquid onto doing his little insurrection, and so the Shadow Moses incident occurs in 2005. Ocelot obtains test data on REX (the optical disc) and leaks it out into the public.
The Patriots (now an AI) see this as a threat. They did not want any information of that incident to be made public so they intentionally let it leak that they want to assassinate Solidus. He goes underground with the help of Ocelot, but unbeknownst to him he is actually just planned opposition for Raiden in the events of MGS2.
He stages what he thinks is an act of rebellion against the Patriots in 2009 but it turns out it was just part of a stress test for an AI. Everything he did to rebel against the Patriots was allowed to happen by the Patriots. Raiden severs his spine in a final duel where he goes into a coma until 2014.
Solidus' body is obtained by Eva and Raiden. His skin is used by Eva to graft onto Big Boss (ew gross) so at this point Solidus is not only in a coma but he looks like a zombie freak. Ocelot, who is working against the Patriots during MGS4, uses Solidus' body to gain access to SOP which relies on using Big Boss' genetic information as a key of sort (and Solidus has the 100% same genetics as Big Boss). Ocelot then tosses Solidus' body into burning wreckage where he finally dies. The Big Boss at the end of MGS4 is wearing Solidus' skin. He has his left eye from Liquid whose body parts were also used to reconstruct him by Eva.
Basically Solidus gets fucked.
Berserker976
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Now, to be fair to Miller, he's kind of an abusive ass to everyone. Plus, he sets up a comprehensive program designed specifically to disarm and reintegrate child soldiers back into society. That alone kind of makes him better than most other characters in the series. Also he's committed to removing all the nukes from the world, and that's pretty noble.
Although it sort of makes it seem like his lust for revenge turned out to be a good thing, since he channeled it into these great causes.
I've finally wrapped all of the story missions, including 45. That was a much better close to the game than 46 and yet I feel very empty inside now. All that work, all that time, all those moments, all gone. It feels like my mission is finally complete...and that makes me sad.
It would have been great if there were more story beats like the end of 45, with a feeling of some sort of completeness and proper closure for characters instead of what we were left with. The Venom Snake reveal in 46 was poorly put together and the lack of development of Liquid or even touching on most of the other characters was a massive letdown. Even the cut stuff doesn't do the series justice and seems shoddily put together. Maybe we've given Kojima too much credit or he wasn't given enough time to pull his magnum opus together the way we wanted. Either way, MGSV may have been to big and too ambitious, drowning out Kojima's actual vision for the closing of the loop.
This would have been the game of the forever if the story could have matched its gameplay.
It would have been great if there were more story beats like the end of 45, with a feeling of some sort of completeness and proper closure for characters instead of what we were left with. The Venom Snake reveal in 46 was poorly put together and the lack of development of Liquid or even touching on most of the other characters was a massive letdown. Even the cut stuff doesn't do the series justice and seems shoddily put together. Maybe we've given Kojima too much credit or he wasn't given enough time to pull his magnum opus together the way we wanted. Either way, MGSV may have been to big and too ambitious, drowning out Kojima's actual vision for the closing of the loop.
This would have been the game of the forever if the story could have matched its gameplay.
Banana Aeon
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Solidus is the true hero of the franchise.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Someone mentioned it earlier (I think it was Griss?) but the scene where they bring child soldiers back to base and V goes "See? They're naturals." And then Kaz gets really miffed and says "NO! They are NOT naturals!" Shows that he does actually care about these kids and shows the beginning of his relationship falling apart with Boss due to his ideals.
Technically V isn't Boss, but he shares his ideals.
But yeah, Kaz is an angry jerk to everyone in this game. Except Code Talker. He definitely didn't have to hit the kid with his cane.
Yeah, after MGSV a Liquid game would be the best thing ever. Him getting captured and being a POW would be interesting and a good way to show how his already jaded personality dips off of the deep end.
Like he's incredibly goofy in Peace Walker from what I can recall, and comes across as affable in Metal Gear 2, that everything I can recall outside of the Hamburger tapes he's just fucking consumed by bitterness, vengeance, and spite.
Though now that I think back I think he's the guy who gives Snake the idea to use a makeshift flamethrower against Big Boss, so I guess canonically he was still pretty vengeful.
Storm Raider
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and most importantly; Hayter!
It wont happen. Konami doesn't give a damn for tripleA games anymore.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Huh... wasn't the opposite said a few days ago?
They said they halted development on them for now. Doesn't mean they won't use them anymore in the future (whatever that may be COUGH pachinko).
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Yeah. Makes me think they meant Metal Gear isn't in the immediate future, but isn't off the record for good. I dunno though. Confusing statements.
ComputerBlue
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Did they ever say why HGWs never composed music for TPP?
"ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER. Don't you speak it!!"
Thats what I'm fuzzy on. So solid takes out Venom Snake in Outer heaven and the real Big Boss in Zanzibarland?
Now that you mention it I do recall that Solidus aged faster and Ocelot tossing him into an oven. It's been so long and I've forgotten so much of MGS lore. I think I'm gonna google some stuff and refresh my memory.
ComputerBlue
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That's pretty good!
I just used the default one that looks like Tom Cruise, lol.
i thought about this a lot and i think the perfect MGS game would be something like this:
- similar controls structure as MGSV
- base development stuff and recruitment removed
- rations and life bar back
- smaller and more diverse areas instead of huge open world full off nothing, something more akin to camp omega, and a couple other areas to accomodate different kinds of missions, like destroying moving convoys, etc
- main characters is Solid Snake
- 3 main mission, Outer Heaven, Zanzibar, Shadow Moses
- before each main mission, you would have Foxhound missions, where at the same time you could see interactions between characters, like before OH, we would see mainly interactions between SS and BB, or SS and Gray fox, after OH and before Zanzibar, maybe something with SS and campbell, or SS and miller
- main missions, especially OH and Zanzibar would obviously have a more fleshed out story
- normal missions would be like MGSV where you could choose equipment, the weapons you find on missions would be added for future missions or replays of previous ones
- main ones would be POS style, where you have to infiltrate with nothing and search for weapons and equipment like in the originals
now the best part:
- after Zanzibar, snake f'd off to Alaska, so this time you would have available the MGS1 Foxhound unit, fulfilling missions with each one of them and each would have obvious strengths from each other, liquid would literally be SS or BB, raven would have available weapons that the others couldnt wield, octopus would be more infiltration stuff, taking the appearance of targets, information gathering, etc, wolf would be great for sniping and assassinations, mantis could control people, read minds, etc, ocelot, maybe something with the CSAA.
- After you finish the 3rd main mission, MGS1, you'd unlock, kill miller mission with liquid and ocelot, and kill dr.clark mission with cyborg ninja gray fox
maybe too ambitious of a project to be feasible, or konami even doing anything else MG related
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
He is selfish and only does what he does to leave a legacy for himself. Since he cannot bear children, he has this sense of entitlement that makes Liquid's ambitious nature seem quaint.
His justification for killing Raiden's parents is also laughably flimsy. "I needed to know if we were really someone else's creation." Maybe its a translation error thing but how do you even read into that. He couldn't adopt a normal child?
I've been wanting this for years. Too bad it will never happen.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Liquid confronts Sadaam Hussein riding in Metal Gear Cro Magnon
UrbanDandy
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Sorry that I'm coming here late for this, but The Boss, Zero and Skull face knew an unknown, significant character?
No, that's it.
You mean the pin? I assumed they were talking about the Sorrow.
What's all this crap about Solidus then...?
People are pissed that Solidus wasn't even mentioned in this game.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Finished Mission 45, holy shit that was difficult but I only died twice, I expected to die a million times from what some have said in this thread.
TIME TO PLAY THE FINAL MISSION OF THIS FUCKING GAME and supposedly hate this game forever.
Edit: lol I accidentally posted this in the spoiler thread, I'll be back in a sec to this thread. Kinda ironic if you ask me.
TIME TO PLAY THE FINAL MISSION OF THIS FUCKING GAME and supposedly hate this game forever.
Edit: lol I accidentally posted this in the spoiler thread, I'll be back in a sec to this thread. Kinda ironic if you ask me.
NoctisVsStar
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Delicious salty tears incoming.
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