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True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st
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Maninthemirror
Banned
Think about it
Rust:
His best moments in life were when he was on the verge of dying due to being stabbed by the man he was obsessed to find and bring justice to and it had 2 of the people he misses the most and both are not in this world, his father and his daughter. For a person who said death has no meaning and people are not precious, the best few seconds of his life are about the people he loved and misses most in his near death moments
Marty:
When he has his ex wife on his left and his daughters on his right, and he is in bed after a brush with death itself and almost loosing his case partner, he realises that moment was the closest to his 'family' he has ever been and realised this was the only genuine family moment he had and yet this family is not something he has anymore, they are part of another family. He realises what he has missed all those years since his marriage
And the very very end
Rust opens up to someone after forever perhaps and lets it all out and Marty accepts the talk from Rust he always thought was gibberish as meaningful
Rust:
His best moments in life were when he was on the verge of dying due to being stabbed by the man he was obsessed to find and bring justice to and it had 2 of the people he misses the most and both are not in this world, his father and his daughter. For a person who said death has no meaning and people are not precious, the best few seconds of his life are about the people he loved and misses most in his near death moments
Marty:
When he has his ex wife on his left and his daughters on his right, and he is in bed after a brush with death itself and almost loosing his case partner, he realises that moment was the closest to his 'family' he has ever been and realised this was the only genuine family moment he had and yet this family is not something he has anymore, they are part of another family. He realises what he has missed all those years since his marriage
And the very very end
Rust opens up to someone after forever perhaps and lets it all out and Marty accepts the talk from Rust he always thought was gibberish as meaningful
HalfBakedProphet
Member
yup. Perhaps he found a greater sense of connection with humanity, but I don't really see Rust attending Sunday mass any time soon. If anything, I think now he sees the hypocrisy of trying to convince himself life was meaningless despite the fact he cared so deeply and profoundly for his daughter.
It was a subversion of the the ominous "death is not the end" that we kept hearing throughout the show. Rust found comfort beyond when he expected nothing, and it makes life harder in a wholly different way.
Finally watched it. They redeemed the decision to make it lawnmower guy, I will say that, some truly very good writing and awesome acting.
Yeah, that was the only downside to me. Rust surviving and even being less pessimistic is fine, but that whole near death bullshit is just weak.
Yeah, that was the only downside to me. Rust surviving and even being less pessimistic is fine, but that whole near death bullshit is just weak.
Exactly, that's how I read it. Rust didn't "find god", but the experience of actually letting go and giving in to death only to be pulled back shattered the facade of nihilism he'd worn as armor since his daughter's death and open the door for the slightest crack of optimism to seep in. He knows the world is still a shitty, nasty, cruel joke. That hasn't changed about his worldview. The change is that instead of welcoming an end to it all, he has gained the resolve to stick it out.
CaptainBanana
Neo Member
Man, what a ride that was.
I'm really curious to know if Rust's hallucination at the end was some kind of nod to all the guys going: ZOMG, Cthulhu! Cosmic Horror!
Like they decided to just give them a tiny little bit of that without actually having it affect the realism in any way.
Also, did anyone notice the tatoo on the left side of Rust's chest in the last scene?
That looked a hell of a lot like the yellow sign, that is mentioned in "The Yellow King"
I'm really curious to know if Rust's hallucination at the end was some kind of nod to all the guys going: ZOMG, Cthulhu! Cosmic Horror!
Like they decided to just give them a tiny little bit of that without actually having it affect the realism in any way.
Also, did anyone notice the tatoo on the left side of Rust's chest in the last scene?
That looked a hell of a lot like the yellow sign, that is mentioned in "The Yellow King"
The Artful Dodger
Member
Even if he did "Find God" who cares?
I don't think he did necessarily.
Rust is a dynamic character who changes through the story. It's why he's the protagonist.
Anton Sugar
Member
Oh man, I watched the finale in a public place. Was quite difficult during the bro moments, Marty crawling over to Rust. #concealdontfeel
Light vs Dark has absolutely nothing to do with religion, in my eyes. I'm an atheist and had no problem with the ending. I DID worry that Rust's final vision/realization was going to be "I saw all my loved ones up there, happy blah blah blah" but it seemed more that he finally achieved clarity into what was important in his life, rather than some heavenly vision.
With this over, y'all need to migrate over to the other best and most beautiful show on TV, Hannibal. We could use the ratings.
Light vs Dark has absolutely nothing to do with religion, in my eyes. I'm an atheist and had no problem with the ending. I DID worry that Rust's final vision/realization was going to be "I saw all my loved ones up there, happy blah blah blah" but it seemed more that he finally achieved clarity into what was important in his life, rather than some heavenly vision.
With this over, y'all need to migrate over to the other best and most beautiful show on TV, Hannibal. We could use the ratings.
please god help us
Check Mark
Member
Is that Rust shooting Tiger before he leaves the house? Looks like a botch lol. Still amazing scene.
The beginning of the finale felt slow when they were still going around asking questions. I thought they were gonna die in Carcosa. Overall I'm pleased with the season, episodes 4 & 5 are my favorite.
Gotta say I loved the episode, I was a little cautious coming into it but it was a good send off. While I am still processing the broader themes at play it felt like Rust found something he forgot he had, the show successfully took this guy who was on a path to death, walking it willingly, and gave him hope. I never thought the whole case would be tied up so that part wasn't an issue. Wonderfully acted, great tension and the confrontation was put together tremendously. I also love how, despite the show being a grounded series rusts hallucinations allowed us some look into the metaphysical, almost allowing us to see what the Yellow King sees, it would have been very easy to just stick with reality and not show us something special.
Great series.
Great series.
The Artful Dodger
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I've been hearing alot of good things about Hannibal, and I'm a fan of that actor. So I may end up in the thread very soon.
All I had was flashbacks to Jenna Elfman in Grosse Point Blank. Well acted given the material, but the writing was just too cheesy for me. The attitude change I like, the sees/feels dead loved ones bit was what didn't work for me.
Maninthemirror
Banned
I notice that in the very few reviews that said they were a bit disappointed, their focus of disappointment was the killer and whodunit rather than the 2 protagonists which the writer and the fans of the show know what it was really bad
- main focus is on Rust and Marty
- the case just connects them, divides them and connects them again
- main focus is on Rust and Marty
- the case just connects them, divides them and connects them again
Me? I don't care. But so much of the narrative post-finale has been people reading it that way and feeling betrayed for whatever reason.
Incredible ending. Dat McConaughey smackdown in the final scenes. Man, so moving.
I'm all out of ideas or assumptions on how they could even make another season on par with this. Seriously. If they succeed I will fall down the stairs wearing antlers on my head.
srs tho, a truly special show. I feel privileged.
I'm all out of ideas or assumptions on how they could even make another season on par with this. Seriously. If they succeed I will fall down the stairs wearing antlers on my head.
srs tho, a truly special show. I feel privileged.
Cpt.Underpants
Member
He's using the knife to push Rust up and at the same time Rust is trying to push the knife against him.
Maninthemirror
Banned
I honestly dont think they can.. Very tall order
Anton Sugar
Member
I can't remember how Rust was propped up, but he was likely TRYING to be lifted, that is, keeping his body rigid. If he hadn't, the knife would've just ripped up further into him.
Yes! Patton Oswalt put it best:
HalfBakedProphet
Member
I'm going to miss this thread almost as much as the show 
its been fun, bros
its been fun, brosAnton Sugar
Member
I'm going to miss this thread almost as much as the show
Don't be sad. We're going to do it all over again next season.
Even if Rust is partly supporting his own weight it would still be hard as fuck to hold him up.
We'll do this again.
Anton Sugar
Member
So what did y'all make of Marty at the end? My heart broke a little when he still said "I'm fine" to his family, like he still couldn't change...but then he broke down.
I don't know whether I want to read that as him finally admitting to some of the misery inside himself or if it was just a moment of vulnerability (like his bedroom talk with Maggie) and he would go back to being himself after.
I don't know whether I want to read that as him finally admitting to some of the misery inside himself or if it was just a moment of vulnerability (like his bedroom talk with Maggie) and he would go back to being himself after.
Mister0079
Member
Straightforward ending, great acting in the last scene.
Can't wait for season 2. They've gotta find actors with great chemistry like Rust and Marty had.
Can't wait for season 2. They've gotta find actors with great chemistry like Rust and Marty had.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I didn't really think much of it last night.
It haunted my dreams when I finally went to sleep. #truthfact
Errol looks like he's got half a foot and a hundred pounds on Rust. Wouldn't be that hard.
DancingCactus77
Member
Don't think the daughter was a red herring at all. The figures and boys trouble just reinforce the point that evil finds its way into people's lives, and not just through the work of a serial killer or cultand you can't stop these everyday occurrences, you can just live through them and find a better way to deal with them.
The Artful Dodger
Member
I think it was a sign for change. Even his own willingness to acknowledge affection to Rust was a big step. Marty was like Rust in many ways in that he never let anybody see a certain side of him.
Cpt.Underpants
Member
Rust seems to have skinny build and Eroll is built like a truck. Abusing and murdering those women and children not to mention having a incestuous relationship with you half-sister gave Eroll super strength.
Seriously though Eroll was lifting him with both of his arms one with the knife. Like what the poster says above me, Rust was lifting his own weight when Eroll was holding him. I mean Rust was fighting for his life here. If he wasn't, Eroll could've easily cut his belly open.
HalfBakedProphet
Member
nothing supernatural about epinephrine
For me one of the main appealing factors for liking the show so much is because where it took place, Louisiana was perfect because by its self the state holds so much dark history and its lush tropical like geography and old decaying infrastructure is just perfect.
The Artful Dodger
Member
It's just a Catch-All title, Like a Pulp-magazine.
All of it in his stomach.
I think part of it was (further) contemplation of how he fucked up, but I think it was mostly supposed to be about what he had lost. I think it's implied that Maggie had remarried, and of course he has rarely seen his adult daughters. It just hit him again about what he had. He might 'change', but for that family he was a part of it will never be the same.
Cornballer
Member
I'm probably doubling up on a few of these, but I haven't tracked back in the thread yet:
- Onion A|V Club review
- Poniewozik
- NY Mag
- Slate.com
- Alyssa Rosenberg for the Washington Post
- Maureen Ryan
- Onion A|V Club review
- Poniewozik
- NY Mag
- Slate.com
- Alyssa Rosenberg for the Washington Post
- Maureen Ryan
It's explicitly shown and discussed several times.
HalfBakedProphet
Member
personally, I thought there was a lot of truth in Rust's philosophy. However, he took it to the extreme and used it as an emotional shield. it had become a justification to be a functioning alcoholic, waiting for the endless void to swallow him up.
I also found truth in the idea of all of us being connected on a deeper level (which is what I got from revelation). His love for his daughter did have meaning. Him throwing his life away wouldn't change that.
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