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Content Roundup - Episode 8 - Form and Void

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Reviews:
Videos
- Inside the Episode (youtube)
- The Altar​

Other
- HBO episode synopsis
- Final lines from the show:
"You're looking at it wrong, the sky thing. "
"How's that?"
"Well, once there was only dark. If you ask me the light is winning.”
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- GIFs from Warming Glow
- GIFs from NY Mag
- Slate.com: Here Is Rust’s Final Speech From True Detective (transcription of the final scene)​
 
real_slime said:
sounds like a decent perspective on things, but i think errol was using the tuttles and rust for his own long term amusement. carcosa seemed supernaturaly scary and enwildening because it was.

whoever we meet in S2, whatever the case, we might chop his legs off but hell is gonna continue to reign right here day to day. that's what i took from this series.
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Thing is, Errol is from the Childress family, who is connected to the Tuttles. I get the sense that these families have been doing this shit for decades. And that Errol got messed up by being a kid growing up in this family, and being involved with these rituals. Keep in mind, Errol had his face scarred because of what his father did to him.

The fact that the Tuttle's were quick to cover this case up (as was Childress), proves that they I. Were aware it was errol and II. They didn't want the exposure that was Lange gave to their activities. I'm making an assumption here, but the fact that they never displayed their victims in the past, makes me think that Errol was doing it on his own. And we already know that Errol had a past victim (that girl that was floating in the river and had the same exact wounds as Lange). So he was leading up to Lange (it was apart of his own ritual of killing).

My guess is (and yes this is a guess), is that Tuttle, Childress and all of them told Errol to knock the shit off, and stop displaying victims (and they also covered for him, as he could tie back to what their families had been doing).

I dunno, I just don't get the sense that the families were involved in Lange. But I could totally be wrong. I just don't get the sense that Errol's style of killing lines up with the families past killings, and would be something they would want to get exposure.
 
This show was good. But I can't believe people are making it out to be anything more than that. It had amazing acting. But the story was just ok. And finding out who the bad guy was, was more or less like "ok cool". I dunno. I mean I found myself bored with it. There wasn't any suspense for anything.
 
lamaroo said:
It was 17 years ago, Rust and Cohle weren't even looking for "the man with the scars" in 1995.
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But even in present day where they'd been looking for him specifically, no one could give them a name or a location of where he might be.

Just saying, Errol is a face that no one could forget. Dude works out in public all over the place. Yet it was still pretty fucking hard to find him.
 
Bookoo said:
Can someone tell me what Rust says at the very end? I could not understand it at all.
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He says "You're looking at it the wrong way, in the beginning there was only darkness. So if you ask me the lights winning."

Maybe not verbatim but that's the gist.
 
By the way, did anyone pick up on what Errol was whistling?

When you watch with closed captions it says he whistles the same tune throughout the episode. Maybe it's a song with some significance?
 
BadAss2961 said:
But even in present day where they'd been looking for him specifically, no one could give them a name or a location of where he might be.

Just saying, Errol is a face that no one could forget. Dude works out in public all over the place. Yet it was still pretty fucking hard to find him.
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You say that, but I don't think I could identify most of the people I see day-to-day.
 
Bookoo said:
Can someone tell me what Rust says at the very end? I could not understand it at all.
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The gist of the convo is:

Life is the story of "dark vs. light". There is a lot of evil still out there, and they (Rust and Marty) can do something about it. As long as there is evil, they have something to fight for. Then Rust basically says, if you ask me - the world started out in darkness, and the light (ie the stars) are wining. It's a pretty interesting shift in perspective from Rust. It's probably the first time we see him having a true motive for living (a purpose).
 
Azula said:
Thing is, Errol is from the Childress family, who is connected to the Tuttles. I get the sense that these families have been doing this shit for decades. And that Errol got messed up by being a kid growing up in this family, and being involved. Keep in mind, Errol had his face scarred because of what his father did to him.

The fact that the Tuttle's were quick to cover this case up (as was Childress), proves that they I. Were aware it was errol and II. They didn't want the exposure that was Lange gave to their activities. I'm making an assumption here, but the fact that they never displayed their victims in the past, makes me think that Errol was doing it on his own. And we already know that Errol had a past victim (that girl that was floating in the river). So he was leading up to Lange (it was apart of his own ritual of killing).

My guess is (and yes this is a guess), is that Tuttle, Childress and all of them told Errol to knock the shit off, and stop displaying victims (and they also covered for him, as he could tie back to what their families had been doing).

I dunno, I just don't get the sense that the families were involved in Lange. But I could totally be wrong.
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yeah i'm with you, this is the main logical explanation. but i am going into the more basic evil rather than just errol i should have clarified - i think errol is the current host of the devil in the show, as shown by that crazy carcosa shit, and there is a greater evil always lurking in the world of true d. just to be clear - not a christian idea of the devil, just something awful which fuels us all.
 
Been searching for hours trying to figure out what song played at the end of the credits. Hope someone finds it soon! Really made the ending that much better
 
Amazing episode. So much bromance. Love it. What's that song? Saw what cornballer posted but can't seem to find it anywhere on the internets like it's a song that doesn't exist lol.

Anyone figure it out yet?
 
Azula said:
Thing is, Errol is from the Childress family, who is connected to the Tuttles. I get the sense that these families have been doing this shit for decades. And that Errol got messed up by being a kid growing up in this family, and being involved with these rituals. Keep in mind, Errol had his face scarred because of what his father did to him.

The fact that the Tuttle's were quick to cover this case up (as was Childress), proves that they I. Were aware it was errol and II. They didn't want the exposure that was Lange gave to their activities. I'm making an assumption here, but the fact that they never displayed their victims in the past, makes me think that Errol was doing it on his own. And we already know that Errol had a past victim (that girl that was floating in the river and had the same exact wounds as Lange). So he was leading up to Lange (it was apart of his own ritual of killing).

My guess is (and yes this is a guess), is that Tuttle, Childress and all of them told Errol to knock the shit off, and stop displaying victims (and they also covered for him, as he could tie back to what their families had been doing).

I dunno, I just don't get the sense that the families were involved in Lange. But I could totally be wrong. I just don't get the sense that Errol's style of killing lines up with the families past killings, and would be something they would want to get exposure.
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All of that makes sense, but why wouldn't the Tuttles have just killed Errol? For all the effort that they (probably) put in to cover it all up, why not have him killed when the heat came back on?
 
I got buddy cop feels with that whole feel good ending. Reminds me of Murtaugh holding a wounded Riggs at the end of Lethal weapon 2.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
Amazing episode. So much bromance. Love it. What's that song? Saw what cornballer posted but can't seem to find it anywhere on the internets like it's a song that doesn't exist lol.

Anyone figure it out yet?
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I've been trying to track it down, but I'm not having any luck. Presumably Reddit or something else will get to it eventually.
 
Azula said:
Thing is, Errol is from the Childress family, who is connected to the Tuttles. I get the sense that these families have been doing this shit for decades. And that Errol got messed up by being a kid growing up in this family, and being involved with these rituals. Keep in mind, Errol had his face scarred because of what his father did to him.

The fact that the Tuttle's were quick to cover this case up (as was Childress), proves that they I. Were aware it was errol and II. They didn't want the exposure that was Lange gave to their activities. I'm making an assumption here, but the fact that they never displayed their victims in the past, makes me think that Errol was doing it on his own. And we already know that Errol had a past victim (that girl that was floating in the river and had the same exact wounds as Lange). So he was leading up to Lange (it was apart of his own ritual of killing).

My guess is (and yes this is a guess), is that Tuttle, Childress and all of them told Errol to knock the shit off, and stop displaying victims (and they also covered for him, as he could tie back to what their families had been doing).

I dunno, I just don't get the sense that the families were involved in Lange. But I could totally be wrong. I just don't get the sense that Errol's style of killing lines up with the families past killings, and would be something they would want to get exposure.
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Rust himself said they didn't get them all and Marty said that's just the way it is. That guy who is banned now but was gloating about being right seems to have missed this large detail.
 
Solid finale. Great job by McConaughey and Harrelson. I agree with posters who said the story was OK. This was about Rust and Marty and was brilliantly acted.
 
real_slime said:
yeah i'm with you, this is the main logical explanation. but i am going into the more basic evil rather than just errol i should have clarified - i think errol is the current host of the devil in the show, as shown by that crazy carcosa shit, and there is a greater evil always lurking in the world of true d. just to be clear - not a christian idea of the devil, just something awful which fuels us all.
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Well see, I agree with you about the "sprawl". I just think for me, this is what made the ending so disturbing. That they got Errol for this Lange case, but they know that was their families had been doing has gone on for decades. And there is no justice to that. No justice for all the little children being sacrificed. So I agree about the overall evil, and yes that was definitely the point of the ending.

You know though, I find it interesting that Errol + Ledoux had those two children. And there was a lot of children's clothes in his Carcosa layer. And yet, Lange + that other girl, were much older. It seems at odds with the ritual sacrifice we know Tuttle was involved in (ie. it seems they used little kids. Whereas we know two victims of Errol were older women in their late 20s/30s).
 
Azula said:
Well see, I agree with you about the "sprawl". I just think for me, this is what made the ending so disturbing. That they got Errol for this Lange case, but they know that was their families had been doing has gone on for decades. And there is no justice to that. No justice for all the little children being sacrificed. So I agree about the overall evil, and yes that was definitely the point of the ending.

You know though, I find it interesting that Errol + Ledoux had those two children. And there was a lot of children's clothes in his Carcosa layer. And yet, Lange + that other girl, were much older. It seems at odds with the ritual sacrifice we know Tuttle was involved in (ie. it seems they used little kids. Whereas we know two victims of Errol were older women in their late 20s/30s).
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yeah man looks like we agree broadly on the point of the ending, i just go to the darker dumb ALL ENCOMPASSING evil explanation and you go for the more human ending and you might be right

but at the same time....fucking carcosa....what can i say. i believe in nothing but i saw the devil and he'll be back.
 
potam said:
All of that makes sense, but why wouldn't the Tuttles have just killed Errol? For all the effort that they (probably) put in to cover it all up, why not have him killed when the heat came back on?
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I would say that they didn't want to kill family/kin, but then there was the Tuttle who died under mysterious circumstances after Rust found the at his house.
 
Show definitely could've used an extra episode or two to flesh out how happened to Marty's family, hit up the corruption through the police and government ranks, and spice up the hunt for Errol a bit. I am glad that some stuff was left open, some hints were dead ends, and a lot of stupid fan theories ended up not panning out or even being touched on, like this Audrey stuff.

"She's gonna be a sacrifice because of her earring!"

"The dad is in on it because Maggie has a strained relationship with her parents!"

"Audrey got raped as a little kid in a cult initiation ritual that everyone in town is secretly a part of!"

Sometimes you just need to kick back, relax, and enjoy the show rather than spending four times as much speculating about it as you do actually watching it. Im glad they gave us the opportunity to do that.
 
So they went for the "Dracula" ending. (They stopped the monster, but didn't actually vanquish it, and there is a happy ending even though evil is never truly defeated).


Man, I loved that show so much. I'm definitely getting the season 1 boxed set.
 
Was that Sheriff Childress tied up with his mouth sewn shut? I thought Errol said "Bye daddy" but HBO GO isn't working so I can't check.
 
Great ending, I was worried it would be a let down. MM's acting was great, as usual.
 
You know though, I find it interesting that Errol + Ledoux had those two children. And there was a lot of children's clothes in his Carcosa layer. And yet, Lange + that other girl, were much older. It seems at odds with the ritual sacrifice we know Tuttle was involved in (ie. it seems they used little kids. Whereas we know two victims of Errol were older women in their late 20s/30s).
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sorry for pushing my point but yeah

he's gonna come get ya, doesn't matter when or where
 
potam said:
All of that makes sense, but why wouldn't the Tuttles have just killed Errol? For all the effort that they (probably) put in to cover it all up, why not have him killed when the heat came back on?
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Yep, this is my thoughts too. Why didn't they just kill him? So you have a point. This could contradict the theory that Errol was acting alone. But I just find it strange that Errol would be this leader to these families. He was a young child, and presumably they had been doing these rituals long before him. His own father scarred his face. And I can't get my head around why, they would go to great lengths to cover this up. Then it begs the question, why would they display Lange? Would they really want to bring that kind of exposure to their activities out in the open?

That is why I came to the conclusion that it must have been Errol acting on his own (with his followers, like Ledoux). Plus, Tuttle basically was killed off, or committed suicide, because he didn't want to be blackmailed with the tape. I dunno, it just seems to me like the families were pretty careful (especially when from what we can gather, they only killed little kids during these ritual sacrifices. And they never displayed the bodies in public). But really, all I can do is speculate. I personally walked away from the plot thinking that two things went on:

I. There are families in the area that have been doing ritual sacrifices for centuries.

II. A son of one of the families (that grew up in the family, and participated), started going off on his own and mass killing people.

Rust and Marty's case is #2, but it brings to a much larger truth which is #1.
 
Solo said:
MM is 100% going to win the Emmy (and deservedly so)......but goddammit if he shouldn't share the award with Woody. Rust is a MUCH more sexy and flashy role than Marty, who basically was the straight man of the duo. And the fact that he still stood toe to toe with Rust is a testament to Woody.
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Exactly. Straight man, but an amazingly acted one.

Both men deserve massive props.
 
real_slime said:
...........maaaaybe he's pure evil??? sorry i'm not trying to be sarcastic, it's just so clear to me
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Possibly. But I just mean in terms of age, you would have to figure that the Tuttles and Childress's have been doing these rituals long before Errol was even born. And at one point, Errol was a kid, who's father scarred him. And I would assume Errol as hew grew up, would participate in these rituals with his family.
 
Solo said:
MM is 100% going to win the Emmy (and deservedly so)......but goddammit if he shouldn't share the award with Woody. Rust is a MUCH more sexy and flashy role than Marty, who basically was the straight man of the duo. And the fact that he still stood toe to toe with Rust is a testament to Woody.
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He will, because this will be put in the "Miniseries Category". There is no competition. MM will win for Best Actor in a Miniseries. I'll be curious to see if Woody puts in for supporting Actor or Lead against MM. True Detective will sweep the Miniseries Category.
 
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