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True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st
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Fair enough. You are right that the character's motivations were a lot more complex. I guess I just really question whether she needed to throw Rust under the bus to REALLY get her away from Marty. I guess the assumption is that Marty wouldn't have left her alone (he would keep trying to get back with her), so doing this would finally break it off.
Robot Pants
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Heh.
Oh boy.
HalfBakedProphet
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I can't remember the line, but Marty mentioned not holding a grudge against Rust. Something about how that's the type of thing that causes cancer.
Throughout the interview, you got the feeling (perhaps more and more as it progressed) Marty missed Rust. He definitely still had respect for him
hahaha, ok
DKehoe
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Especially since he has just come from being told by the police that he is suspected of being involved with those murders. Even if you dismiss it as bullshit if the guy comes up to you not long after that you might want to exercise some caution.
The Artful Dodger
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Agreed. I almost feel like the broken Tail light, is in a weird way, an indicator of how much Rust missed Marty too.
It was emphasized again and again that Marty is the closest thing he had to a friend (Not counting the Lone-Star Beer people of course).
Robot Pants
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Plus Rust was obviously waiting for him to finish talking to the detectives which means he was following Marty. So there's that too. Plenty of things to be cautious about.
Anton Sugar
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Right. 2012 Marty is one of the characters I'm most curious about. On one hand, he was still spouting his same BS about "having a family changes a man for the better" "every married man needs to let loose in secret" etc. during the interviews...but he does seem to have some genuine sense of remorse and understanding of how he screwed up. He certainly isn't furious about it. I feel like he has fully accepted that it is his fault, and that alone would be a change from his prior self/selves.
Yeah, that's how I saw it. He doesn't really know Rust anymore and is unsure of what happens next. I don't think he's looking for a chance to blast him away or anything, but he doesn't totally trust Rust.
Anyone notice that in every episode there's that big factory?
Also in the start of the intro we see that (oil?) plant, over and over again, it almost seems another character.
And a lot of things seems to point to the factory:
You might think this crazy but
that scene with the lantern and the antlers/trap actual made me think about a plant, all those chimneys
Another amazing episode, something tells me
Marty is the killer, his ex-wife told to the detectives he had a religious thing going on during the 7 years he and Rust were partners, my intuition tell me all the time that there's something odd about Marty behaviour.
firehawk12
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I think it's because he admitted that the women were just props in an interview when the series started, which is probably true for all crime writers, but no one else admits it. That, and yeah, the supporting cast of women have been mostly terrible.
But it's not like I'd want him to add a female cop or something just for the sake of diversity. As a show that is written by one person, he should write what he knows. Certainly we have seen what happens when a writer tries to pretend he understands women - Aaron Sorkin and The Newsroom being the perfect counter-example of how an auteur can lose their voice by trying to accommodate broader interests.
Forsaken82
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The Artful Dodger
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Thank you for this! perfect gif for the quote
I was thinking of the one where Rust slaps the dude.
In a way, he never did solve the case by himself after 10 years.
piratepwnsninja
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But his encounter with the lawnmower man was short and 7 years prior to the drawing and description, right? Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I think this is the case. We can make the visual connection because we've seen everything in happen in weeks, not the years the characters live in.
Oh man guys did you see those asses? Was some mighty fine booty.
Ahum. The case didn't progress much, but I really appreciate the focus on their broken relationship. Marty's attracting all if these gorgeous women. He can't help himself! Rust was pretty intense this episode. Pretty amazing stuff.
Two eps left
Ahum. The case didn't progress much, but I really appreciate the focus on their broken relationship. Marty's attracting all if these gorgeous women. He can't help himself! Rust was pretty intense this episode. Pretty amazing stuff.
Two eps left
indigo-cyclops
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I think the picture/drawing is someone with a mask on. Or Pan.
I'm quite certain that Rust has known about the "green eared spaghetti monster" since episode 1.
If you believe the symbolism in the show is indicative of anything, there are some signs that this surrounding area may be the domain of the yellow king.Anyone notice that in every episode there's that big factory?
Also in the start of the intro we see that (oil?) plant, over and over again, it almost seems another character.
And a lot of things seems to point to the factory:
"Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink beneath the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.
Strange is the night where black stars rise,And strange moons circle through the skies
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa."
When in the car Rust hallucinates the cloud waves movements.
Before entering the churchhe sees the bird migrating in the swirl cult pattern.
The last shot of episode 2 you see the sun and its reflecting off the lake. An allusion to the king in yellow.
It should be noted that when asked if rust was hallucinating, he said no. "Sometimes I thought I lost it others I thought I was mainlining the secret of the universe."
Edit: The song lyrics for the credits in episode 2 say something about a kingdom
I can't compare it, i love both but TD is more raw and Hannibal is more stylish
TD is more a Neo-Noir and so invest more on the mystery, and Hannibal is more of a Cat and Mouse game no big mystery
Hannibal is completely different. Psychological thriller.
It only has two characters that aren't there for Marty and Rust to work against though, and that is Marty and Rust. No male character is flashed out more than the female characters except those two. It is a story about two people.
I think it is fine for a story to have two characters and we see them in detail and everyone else as they see them, drifting through their lives, interacting with them, but never understanding what it is to be them.
Edit: Hell, Marty gave the list of all the male characters in the show while in the interview room when he was talking about all the types he was seen, the bully, the man with barely contained rage, the brain, etc
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Lol nice fucking find.
You're out of your fucking mind.
Kadayi
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Hannibal is all style over substance. I actually think Pizzolatto overtly attacked it when he went on about TD not being out to idolize Serial Killers, and I thought it was a pretty valid criticism.
Hannibal as a series treats Serial Killers with the reverence of performance artists and every case uncovered seems slightly more grandiose, cerebral and ludicrously far-fetched as it goes along. Plus as far as dramas go it's pretty incestous in terms of it's character interactions with everyone seemingly in each others faces constantly navel gazing to the extent that in large part you have to wonder how anyone makes a living. Plus the 'is he isn't he' of Hannibal serving up masterchef level meals for his guests with ever more questionable meat courses gets a little wearing. Ultimately though it's by the guy who made Pushing Daisies so visually stylish is what you get.
I wouldn't say it's out and out terrible, but certainly not as grounded as TD
real_slime
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Just saw this on Reddit. Oh fuck
So are we thinking Ladoux took that from one of his young girl victims, or that True Detective has something very opinionated to say about bronies?
Hmm, also, 1995 - my little pony didn't exist yet huh? So I guess it's probably just supposed to be taken as a generic kids show, meaning yeah he probably took it from one of the victims.
HalfBakedProphet
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My Little Pony existed, just not in that artstyle
Well, that and the towel shouldn't exist at that point in time.
F0rneus
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They are both the best thing on TV right now. Hannibal is pure visual bonbon with some of the best, most gorgeous visuals you have ever seen. It's amazing. It's just as good as TD. It's also incredibly rich, and deep on the script level. Just outstanding.
No, MLP originated in the 1980's, and looked very different. The one you see today is the rebranded version.
That is perfect, LOL
His character in BE likes to drink too from time to time. But that's about the only comparison you can make really. I love it that he shows up everywhere all of a sudden. He was in Wolf of Wall Street and American Hustle too. As a BE fan it's always nice to see these cast members getting more work
Hell, he was pretty damn good in Tigerland too.
I don't understand how someone can like TD but have that opinion of Hannibal. Both are stylish and involve gratuitous monologues or navel gazing, and both celebrate the bleakness of life, in different ways. Neither is realistic in any serious way. Hannibal is more obvious about it's fantasy, but TD has just as much fantasy in it to me.
So anyway, last scene.
I assume it takes quite some time after the events of 2002. Enough time for Marty to get over what happened between him and Rust, but not fully, as you can tell by the loaded pistol. I'm going to guess that this is 2010, the year Billy Lee Tuttle has his "accident".
What happens is, after 8 years of going deep undercover on his own dime and without police support, Rust finally has enough evidence to implicate Rev. Tuttle. He contacts Marty to share his findings. Why? I dunno. I assume it's to take advantage of Marty's extant police contacts, since Rust has been making do with his own resources and realizes he needs more reach to take down Tuttle and his network. Maybe it's because he feels Marty deserves to be in on the curtain call of their original breakout case, but this kind of sentimentality is not typical of Rust so I doubt it.
This is what episodes 7-8 is going to be about.
What happens afterwards is, Rust, Marty, and possibly also Maggie get together to straighten out their stories before going their separate ways. From the "present day clips", we can see that 2012 Marty does not hold the same camaraderie as 1995 Marty, or the same resentment as 2002 Marty. Especially notable is the shift in his attitude toward Rust compared to 2002 Marty. In 2002, Marty was all but ready to kill Rust because he was never really the strong, moral "hero" he believed himself to be. Even in 2010, he was still holding onto that grudge and getting ready to throw down with 2010 Rust, as indicated by the loaded pistol.
Therefore, between 2010 and 2012, something happened to make Marty obligated to protect Rust, and the Tuttle case makes for the perfect motivation to reconcile differences. Rust's obsessive nature was always leading him here, and Marty will probably be looking for some kind of redemption (after he realizes that, yes, he is really not that great without Rust).
The only thing I don't understand is how Gilbough and Papania figure into this. If it plays out like I described, that would take up 7 and 8, so what about the resurgence of the serial killer-slash-serial killing method? Maybe that's left unresolved at the end of Season 1 and there wouldn't be anything wrong with that, but I feel like Pizzolatto is capable of more. Considering every episode has been, up to now, completely on point, it would be uncharacteristic of Pizzolatto to rush the finale, which is the primary argument against my interpretation of the ending of episode 6. He wouldn't try to fit 3-4 episodes into 2, which means the 2 must either leave some ends open or resolve all of the main plot threads in some unpredictable manner.
I assume it takes quite some time after the events of 2002. Enough time for Marty to get over what happened between him and Rust, but not fully, as you can tell by the loaded pistol. I'm going to guess that this is 2010, the year Billy Lee Tuttle has his "accident".
What happens is, after 8 years of going deep undercover on his own dime and without police support, Rust finally has enough evidence to implicate Rev. Tuttle. He contacts Marty to share his findings. Why? I dunno. I assume it's to take advantage of Marty's extant police contacts, since Rust has been making do with his own resources and realizes he needs more reach to take down Tuttle and his network. Maybe it's because he feels Marty deserves to be in on the curtain call of their original breakout case, but this kind of sentimentality is not typical of Rust so I doubt it.
This is what episodes 7-8 is going to be about.
What happens afterwards is, Rust, Marty, and possibly also Maggie get together to straighten out their stories before going their separate ways. From the "present day clips", we can see that 2012 Marty does not hold the same camaraderie as 1995 Marty, or the same resentment as 2002 Marty. Especially notable is the shift in his attitude toward Rust compared to 2002 Marty. In 2002, Marty was all but ready to kill Rust because he was never really the strong, moral "hero" he believed himself to be. Even in 2010, he was still holding onto that grudge and getting ready to throw down with 2010 Rust, as indicated by the loaded pistol.
Therefore, between 2010 and 2012, something happened to make Marty obligated to protect Rust, and the Tuttle case makes for the perfect motivation to reconcile differences. Rust's obsessive nature was always leading him here, and Marty will probably be looking for some kind of redemption (after he realizes that, yes, he is really not that great without Rust).
The only thing I don't understand is how Gilbough and Papania figure into this. If it plays out like I described, that would take up 7 and 8, so what about the resurgence of the serial killer-slash-serial killing method? Maybe that's left unresolved at the end of Season 1 and there wouldn't be anything wrong with that, but I feel like Pizzolatto is capable of more. Considering every episode has been, up to now, completely on point, it would be uncharacteristic of Pizzolatto to rush the finale, which is the primary argument against my interpretation of the ending of episode 6. He wouldn't try to fit 3-4 episodes into 2, which means the 2 must either leave some ends open or resolve all of the main plot threads in some unpredictable manner.
A Serious Man
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Pretty sure the last scene is from 2012, with Rust just following Marty after he left the interview with the cops. Marty is wearing the same clothes in the car that he did in the interview.
No. Rust's facial hair is shorter, his head hair is less unkempt, and he's wearing a black shirt here (he wore a white shirt for the interview).
Kadayi
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I'd say in large part its because the characters in TD are considerably more grounded and the dialogue is that much more memorable.
With Hannibal Will Graham is the atypical reluctant tortured genius press ganged by Morpheus into helping solve these serial killings because he is seemingly the only one who can get to grips with these things, but he's devoid of the more measured complexity of Cohle whose a resultant of his life experiences rather than a physiological condition. And Hannibal himself is the Mary Sue of Psychopaths. A cool headed puppet master who is seemingly never at a loss to handle any given situation. A character without frailties is like a glass wall... there's nothing to grab onto.
There may be a degree of immediacy to these things, in that I can more easily recall lines from TD, but I'm drawing a blank as far as it goes to remember any lines of significance from Season one of Hannibal.
Like I said, it's not terrible but I wouldn't say it's all that memorable either.
Still this is getting very OT for what is a TD thread.
The interviews took place at different dates. They Interviewed Rust before they brought Marty in.
HalfBakedProphet
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Rust's interview was first, Marty's was several days later
Hm, you're right. He also says "long time", so that throws my reading out the window.
So, I've been wondering if in fact there isn't some grand conspiracy. Rather, there was systemic abuse in Tuttle's schools. When those were disbanded, some of the abused went and carried out similar atrocities in their own separate lives. One of them, perhaps the lawnmower man, got really into it and has killed several times. That's how you get it all up and down the coast, but also a thread running throughout the decades.
That is, the story is about evil being committed and then being recommitted by those already touched by evil. Repeating everything that's been done, etc.
That is, the story is about evil being committed and then being recommitted by those already touched by evil. Repeating everything that's been done, etc.
A Serious Man
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I would assume they interviewed him on a different day, it's known that they interview Rust before Marty. And his hair is exactly the same, he just has it tied back in the final scene.
usernamechange
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i love this show because it literally makes people go insane and miss the larger picture for the little things that probably dont matter what so ever, people have just put meaning onto them
It only has two characters that aren't there for Marty and Rust to work against though, and that is Marty and Rust. No male character is flashed out more than the female characters except those two. It is a story about two people.
I think it is fine for a story to have two characters and we see them in detail and everyone else as they see them, drifting through their lives, interacting with them, but never understanding what it is to be them.
Edit: Hell, Marty gave the list of all the male characters in the show while in the interview room when he was talking about all the types he was seen, the bully, the man with barely contained rage, the brain, etc
This is what I was going to say. Can we really blame the show for not fleshing out female characters when nobody outside of the two main characters has received any sort of screen time? There are Marty and Rust, then there is everybody else.
WordIt only has two characters that aren't there for Marty and Rust to work against though, and that is Marty and Rust. No male character is flashed out more than the female characters except those two. It is a story about two people.
I think it is fine for a story to have two characters and we see them in detail and everyone else as they see them, drifting through their lives, interacting with them, but never understanding what it is to be them.
Edit: Hell, Marty gave the list of all the male characters in the show while in the interview room when he was talking about all the types he was seen, the bully, the man with barely contained rage, the brain, etc
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