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True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st

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Dany M said:
Same shit, differnt show.

Marty i.e. Walt are worse
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I didn't hate Skyler in Breaking Bad. And I'm not trying to say one is worse than the other. I just know what Maggie did to Rust was truly despicable. You can certainly argue that Skyler used Ted. But Maggie uses Rust and has it all blowback on him directly as part of the revenge. I can't really see the two situations 1:1.
 
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- NY Mag interview: True Detective’s Michelle Monaghan on Maggie’s Big Moment and Connecting With Cohle
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- YahooTV: 'True Detective' Star Michelle Monaghan on Maggie's Predatory Turn and the Show's 'Shocking,' 'Disturbing' Resolution
- Slate: The Horrible Things That Men Do to Women - Yes, True Detective treats its female characters badly. That's the point.
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- Alyssa Rosenberg: Why Men Should Want ‘True Detective’ To Have Great, Nuanced Female Characters
- Molly Lambert for Grantland: Her Looming Shadow Grows: The Complex Women of ‘True Detective’
- Maureen Ryan: 'True Detective,' Flat Circles And The Eternal Search For Meaning
- LA Times: Music and 'True Detective': A playlist of grim songs score HBO drama (includes a Spotify playlist with most of the music)

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Kadayi said:
The guy from the bar is something Marty might be able to get over, Rust on the other hand not so much and that's the point.
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Yup, he can't manipulate the situation in his favor. We've already seen that Marty loves to stretch his authority when he feels like he's been wronged. This is the one time where he's powerless and fragile.

Well played, Maggie.
 
Dresden said:
I'm not sure about that. I get the feeling that whoever is trussed up at the end will stand for, but not be an owner of, the sort of institutionalized malice that has let all these things happen. Like, the mystery itself will be solved, but the kind of environment that let it fester won't be, and we'll see few answers beyond the immediate who-done-it. More importantly, I don't think Rust will be satisfied by whatever answer is found at the end, because the thing which he sees and takes aim at - and has tracked all these years - is the background noise, the complacence of men who have participated in or let these crimes happen, and it's something that can't be tackled by one man alone.
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The way the show is constructed, there is this ethereal feeling to it's evil at times. Like a shadow gnawing at every frame (purple prose ahoy!). So part of me would love that the scarred man, could be a Lovecraftian rendition of evil. Like Nyarlathotep taking on a mortal form to mingle with us peons. Just an unseen presence. A puppet-master of sorts who appears to a chosen few, and that represent everything that is wrong in TD's Louisiana. The show could root it in reality, but the meta subtext could remain. Of The Yellow King being some sort of emblematic evil. The thing that lurks in the marshes and sugar cane fields. An unreal but none the less tangible evil.

Rust himself is a Lovecraftian archetype. The dreamer that no one understands. But he did return to Louisiana, with seemingly murder on the frizz. So I do believe his ultimate goal is touchable. Not unatainable. I really think that the evil he is ultimately searching for is one that he can put a permanent end to, at least in his eyes. My one wish, is that everything would be closed by the end of it. A self-contained story without any lose threads, no matter how tempting they are. The show introduced a very intoxicating mythology with it's crowns of antlers, and Yellow Kings...And I absolutely want it all blown open for me to digest. Without any restriction. But yeah...I think you are right. The various references to time being a circle...Ledoux saying "You'll do this again." It could almost be interpreted as Rust never being satisfied by any answers...always trying to find a new one to better suit his needs. A bit like Alan Moore's vision of people trying to catch gulls in From Hell.
 
I wonder if season 2 will take such a dreamlike, surreal tone to it, just with a different type of case or mythology or something.

Nic has stated he's got a few ideas, but I don't know if they lend themselves to they type of tones and themes we're seeing in Season 1.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
I wonder if season 2 will take such a dreamlike, surreal tone to it, just with a different type of case or mythology or something.

Nic has stated he's got a few ideas, but I don't know if they lend themselves to they type of tones and themes we're seeing in Season 1.
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Has anyone read through Pizzolatto's Between Here and the Yellow Sea or Galveston? I'm curious how similar in tone those are to True Detective.
 
Dresden said:
dunno if it's something she considered, but Rust is also the only person she knows who Marty can't ruin. if she'd slept with the dude at the bar, that dude gets locked up for like fifteen counts of murder after Marty beats the shit out of him in the holding cell.

i just find it hard to hate her for it - it's a raw deal for Rust, because it's emphasized over and over that Marty is the only one who was ever there for him in that state (and you can see how he feels it, too, the way he reacts when the latter fails to back him up during their first convo with the captain) and she basically puts a wedge into that relationship, even if it was cratering before that. but i saw it as an impulsive thing, and it was good to see a female character use someone instead of being used or used up for once in this show
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I agree that breaking out of "the poor wife who gets treated badly by marty" makes her a better/ more interesting character.

I like that the show doesn't glorify it's charachters as some shining beacon of morals, which is why i don't think it's necessary to defend their actions as "good". Watching how the charachters justify their behaviour to themselves is part of the charm after all.
 
Dresden said:
dunno if it's something she considered, but Rust is also the only person she knows who Marty can't ruin. if she'd slept with the dude at the bar, that dude gets locked up for like fifteen counts of murder after Marty beats the shit out of him in the holding cell.

i just find it hard to hate her for it - it's a raw deal for Rust, because it's emphasized over and over that Marty is the only one who was ever there for him in that state (and you can see how he feels it, too, the way he reacts when the latter fails to back him up during their first convo with the captain) and she basically puts a wedge into that relationship, even if it was cratering before that. but i saw it as an impulsive thing, and it was good to see a female character use someone instead of being used or used up for once in this show.
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Just don't get how you can justify her actions using Rust and having him take all the blowback. Do you really just see it as a raw deal for him?

Emotionally manipulating someone with sex just to get back at your husband? At the point she knew what she was doing and even felt bad about it (when she was telling Rust it would hurt Marty more), and yet she still went through with it knowing it would wreck Rust.

I feel like I'm crazy here. I can't get behind what she did, even if Marty deserved it. Rust didn't.
 
Just watched episode 4. It just gets better and better.

That long shot was fucking amazing! Really reminded me of Children of Men, which is high praise indeed.
 
Azula said:
Just don't get how you can justify her actions using Rust and having him take all the blowback. Do you really just see it as a raw deal for him?

Emotionally manipulating someone with sex just to get back at your husband? At the point she knew what she was doing and even felt bad about it (when she was telling Rust it would hurt Marty more), and yet she still went through with it knowing it would wreck Rust.

I feel like I'm crazy here. I can't get behind what she did, even if Marty deserved it. Rust didn't.
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where am I justifying it? I'm saying that I don't hate her for it.
 
F0rneus said:
I thought they said that he returned to the state in 2010 which is when Tuttle overdosed on mixed meds. Did I get that wrong? Because if so....Damn.
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In this ep the detectives seem to also have a theory that he may have never left the state but just went off the radar.
 
I thought the guy playing the preacher was really good, but apparently he plays the same character on Boardwalk Empire? I thought he was good in last night's episode, nice contrast from Episode 2.
 
F0rneus said:
I thought they said that he returned to the state in 2010 which is when Tuttle overdosed on mixed meds. Did I get that wrong? Because if so....Damn.
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he's been investigating the whole time. The new detectives even said "he never left, he's been right here doing bad things the whole time"

Rust was back on the grid in 2010
 
If it's the lawn mower guy, it's pretty crazy how close Rust was to him so early on, and it was Marty who urgently called him away from questioning him. Is it possible that somebody was protecting the lawn mower guy by telling the detectives to go elsewhere? I need to rewatch that episode.

Scratch that, I need to rewatch the whole season.
 
Linius said:
In this ep the detectives seem to also have a theory that he may have never left the state but just went off the radar.
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HalfBakedProphet said:
he's been investigating the whole time. The new detectives even said "he never left, he's been right here doing bad things the whole time"
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A'ight then...Let me rephrase this sucker ( I won't let go! Nevah.) Ahem...Rust wouldn't spend years investigating something that would be meaningless in his eyes. I feel that he really believes he can put an end to this. Which is why he is still around. I think there's a tangible endgame for him.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
I thought the guy playing the preacher was really good, but apparently he plays the same character on Boardwalk Empire? I thought he was good in last night's episode, nice contrast from Episode 2.
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His character in BE likes to drink too from time to time. But that's about the only comparison you can make really. I love it that he shows up everywhere all of a sudden. He was in Wolf of Wall Street and American Hustle too. As a BE fan it's always nice to see these cast members getting more work :D
 
Azula said:
I feel like I'm crazy here. I can't get behind what she did, even if Marty deserved it. Rust didn't.
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No ones saying it wasn't a shitty thing to do, but at the same time you have to recognise that from Maggies perspective there's not an equality of relationship between the one she has with Marty (17 years of up and down marriage & two daughters) and the one she has with Rust (7 years as the partner of her husband and social acquaintance). She recognizes that the only real way she has to free herself from Marty is to throw her relationship with Rust under the Bus. It's a shitty thing to do, but stuck in a dysfunctional and suffocating marriage it's an understandable decision.
 
Loved the ending to this episode. Hate that they had to end it there though.

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see a smile on Marty's face when he saw the truck that was honking at him.
 
F0rneus said:
A'ight then...Let me rephrase this sucker ( I won't let go! Nevah.) Ahem...Rust wouldn't spend years investigating something that would be meaningless in his eyes. I feel that he really believes he can put an end to this. Which is why he is still around. I think there's a tangible endgame for him.
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absolutely agree
 
Anyone notice that in every episode there's that big factory?

Also in the start of the intro we see that (oil?) plant, over and over again, it almost seems another character.

And a lot of things seems to point to the factory:
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Yeah, I didn't read the gun-check as anything sinister. Clearly just him knowing that if Rust is back, and this serious, there's going to be trouble.
 
Onyar said:
Anyone notice that in every episode there's that big factory?

Also in the start of the intro we see that (oil?) plant, over and over again, it almost seems another character.

And a lot of things seems to point to the factory:
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Is it the same one or are those just common in that area?
 
Onyar said:
Anyone notice that in every episode there's that big factory?

Also in the start of the intro we see that (oil?) plant, over and over again, it almost seems another character.

And a lot of things seems to point to the factory:
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Yeah, I was thinking about this when I started watching the last episode. I kind of doubt that it has anything to do with the story, we haven't gotten anything that connects the plant to the plot. It is a bit weird still.
 
Anton Sugar said:
Yeah, I didn't read the gun-check as anything sinister. Clearly just him knowing that if Rust is back, and this serious, there's going to be trouble.
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Yep. Including him just straightening his tie in the mirror. He did not believe a thing the detectives were telling him about Rust anyway.

@Imm0rt4l: Exactly.
 
FreddieQuell said:
Yeah, I was thinking about this when I started watching the last episode. I kind of doubt that it has anything to do with the story, we haven't gotten anything that connects the plant to the plot. It is a bit weird still.
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The opening song mentions creosote, which can come from the distillation of tar.
 
I think Marty was thinking "Whatever the hell happens next, I'm probably gonna need my gun." Whether that is Rust being crazy, or getting up to crazy shenanigans with Rust, he probably doesn't know at that moment. Just that he'll need it.
 
I wonder if Rust's suspicions have plagued Marty for the last decade or he paid them no thought.

I wonder if he's still pissed about Maggie.

I wonder how much of a dick he still is in his old age.
 
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