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These are really silly, but I still chuckled at a couple of them.

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I don't think the Yellow King is a person like Tuttle or anyone else; the Yellow King is supposed to be a god or something isn't it? I'd venture it's more than one person killing these girls in the name of the yellow king.

On at 2am UK time. Gonna watch it before work tomorrow, hypeeeeeeee
 
The Illiterati said:
I only compared it to Zodiac in that you don't watch Zodiac as a "whodunnit". It matters more in both cases how the murders affect the detectives
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Yes, but the whole point of Zodiac is that it's about people coping with a case that seems like it should hold so much meaning but is ultimately impenetrable. That's the theme of the work and the core conflict that drives the character evolution we see.

True Detective is exploring different themes, and so it shouldn't just ape what a completely different work did.

I don't care who is killing people in 2012. I don't think -viewers- should.
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That's exactly the kind of silliness I'm talking about. This is the opposite (and equally nonsensical) pole to people who just watch for "the plot" and don't pay any attention to characterization.

Truly good character work can't happen in a vacuum. When you isolate interpersonal drama from all real context, you get interminable soap opera nonsense and scenery-chewing conflict that's ultimately toothless because there are no real stakes. In the best writing, the character work and plotting are equal partners, each supporting the other -- plot gives the characters stakes, while character gives the plot meaning.

Look at a film like Heat -- the crux of the film is the character interaction between Pacino and DeNiro's characters, but the conflict and symmetry between the characters can only be resolved by resolving questions of plot: will DeNiro settle down or make a break for it? Will Pacino catch him?

True Detective is the same way. The emotional heart, and the true climax of the story, are tied up in the shifting relationship between Hart and Cohle, but the core conflict of that relationship -- in fact, the whole arc of both men's lives -- is driven by the way that the Dora Lange murder affected both of them. There's no way to actually draw that relationship to a meaningful conclusion, or to nail down the final meaning of that relationship, without simultaneously resolving the plot in some meaningful way.

duckroll said:
- So yes, I do think the case will be solved, or as solved as it is satisfying for the audience, but not in the sense that the case is the most interesting part of the story or the part that the writer really wants to tell. It will be satisfying because I am certain that the character arcs will come to a close whether they find salvation or lose it forever. There will be closure.
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Exactly.
 
This is the show that The Killing should have been and probably wanted to be. True Detective is just on another planet of superiority, though.

Jtwo said:
Lost at it's very best is definitely better than True Detective. I don't think anything in lost was ever shot as well as true detective though, that show is not as filmic.
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Lost only had one episode, maybe two, that even came close to True Detective - Walkabout and The Constant. My problem with Lost is that its legacy was forever marred by the last season/finale. Lost had a horrible "third act". I am certain True Detective Season 1 will not. I much prefer a single season arc with a few really good episodes than a laborious, filler-ridden 6 season format.
 
I finally got a physical copy of The King in Yellow...been prepping for next episode because I'm so fucking down for tonight's episode.

I also bought Nic P's first novel Galveston...sounds like it might be good.
 
Wilbur said:
I don't think the Yellow King is a person like Tuttle or anyone else; the Yellow King is supposed to be a god or something isn't it? I'd venture it's more than one person killing these girls in the name of the yellow king.
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^ This. Based on what Charlie Lange said to Cohle & Marty, Ledoux talked about a cult, and I think there's every reason to suspect that's what the truth of things. Doesn't necessarily mean its hundreds of individuals though, versus a select few.

charlequin said:
True Detective is the same way. The emotional heart, and the true climax of the story, are tied up in the shifting relationship between Hart and Cohle, but the core conflict of that relationship -- in fact, the whole arc of both men's lives -- is driven by the way that the Dora Lange murder affected both of them. There's no way to actually draw that relationship to a meaningful conclusion, or to nail down the final meaning of that relationship, without simultaneously resolving the plot in some meaningful way.
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Well put, couldn't agree more.

TheChewyWaffles said:
Lost only had one episode, maybe two, that even came close to True Detective - Walkabout and The Constant. My problem with Lost is that its legacy was forever marred by the last season/finale. Lost had a horrible "third act". I am certain True Detective Season 1 will not. I much prefer a single season arc with a few really good episodes than a laborious, filler-ridden 6 season format.
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Yeah I get the reason for wanting to compare TD to LOST because of things like the literary references and mystery, but as far as TV shows go they are entirely different beasts in terms of scope, scale and intent. LOST was/is entertainment at the end of the day which wasn't above servicing the needs and wants of its audience, often in lieu of rhyme or reason where as TD is a drama which services the needs of its characters and its narrative.
 
Dany M said:
Season 3 is great. Season 1-2 should have just been 1 season but oh well :x

2 is better than season 1. The closure is worth it.
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I want to watch purely for skarrsgarrd, what season is he on and can I watch just that one and be done with it?
 
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