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True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st

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Yeah, Rust's character is tied closely to the case- like he said, its his programming that made him right for the job. But I think given the way his character has evolved, there could be some event/life change that shifts the emphasis of his character away from the case.

I feel like that's the opposite of what's happened to him. He built up this whole world of normality and just one thing about this case was able to tear the whole thing down. His whole detached persona in 2012 is just his latest undercover face -- the image of the sad-sack drunk to cover up his personal investigation.

I'm just really dreading a scenario where the ONLY kind resolution we get is the killer.

Given the way the character work (at least for Rust and Marty) has been tackled so far I would be really shocked if that happened.
 
I feel like that's the opposite of what's happened to him. He built up this whole world of normality and just one thing about this case was able to tear the whole thing down. His whole detached persona in 2012 is just his latest undercover face -- the image of the sad-sack drunk to cover up his personal investigation.



Given the way the character work (at least for Rust and Marty) has been tackled so far I would be really shocked if that happened.

I think this will be the best reveal the show could pull off, the mystery isn't the murders, its the characters we are being shown and what is really going on, exciting to think of what is going to happen in these last episodes.

I just watched the "Amen" sermon deleted scene on youtube again and its so good, the language is beautiful. I think the part commented on youtube (and probably previously in this thread) is very evocative of the series themes :

"If ever your sorrow becomes such a burden that you forget yourself, forget this world, I want you to remember this truth, this is as indelible as the sun and the sky and the ground beneath your feet, this world is a veil and the face you wear is not your own"
 
I think this will be the best reveal the show could pull off, the mystery isn't the murders, its the characters we are being shown and what is really going on, exciting to think of what is going to happen in these last episodes.

I just watched the "Amen" sermon deleted scene on youtube again and its so good, the language is beautiful. I think the part commented on youtube (and probably previously in this thread) is very evocative of the series themes :

"If ever your sorrow becomes such a burden that you forget yourself, forget this world, I want you to remember this truth, this is as indelible as the sun and the sky and the ground beneath your feet, this world is a veil and the face you wear is not your own"

Love Cohle's look of amusement at the end.
 
Just watched episode one again, and one thing I noticed was that when they initially find Dora Lange, that big assed wheat/corn wheel like sculpture that Cohle is seen looking into when he returns to the crime scene in 2002 in episode 5 wasn't there.

He revisits the scene in 2002 after being spooked by the prisoner talking about the Yellow king during the interrogation. Finding that sculpture is when he realises him & Marty hadn't gotten their man because the killer had marked the site of her sacrifice.

1995: -

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2002: -

Dora%20Lange%20crime%20scene%202002.jpg


Didn't really sink in that something was off until the EP1 rewatch, but then it makes sense because no way that sculpture would of survived 7 years.

F'ing Yellow King laying down the challenge.
 
I am pretty confident it won't all get "resolved nicely" if "resolved nicely" means "every piece of ambiguity is resolved, the meaning of every event is plumbed to the depths, and the timelines of obscured events are revealed in detail."

I am absolutely certain it will all get "resolved nicely" if "resolved nicely" means "we know which human being committed the 1995 and 2012 murders and some inkling as to why."

The comparisons people are making to Zodiac are kind of facile given that Zodiac very purposely delves into the theme of how sometimes it's impossible to know the truth of what happened. If anything, True Detective is hitting a somewhat opposed, somewhat complementary theme to that: that you can know exactly what happened in some horrible circumstance but that knowledge brings no comfort and fixes nothing.

I only compared it to Zodiac in that you don't watch Zodiac as a "whodunnit". It matters more in both cases how the murders affect the detectives. I don't care who is killing people in 2012. I don't think -viewers- should. For all we know, they caught the first killer when they caught Ledoux. Now, it could be -anyone-. Only Rust should care, so whether or not he gets those answers and whether or not the show shares that with the viewers is a different question. So I argue viewers coming up with theories are setting themselves up for disappointment.
 
I only compared it to Zodiac in that you don't watch Zodiac as a "whodunnit". It matters more in both cases how the murders affect the detectives. I don't care who is killing people in 2012. I don't think -viewers- should. For all we know, they caught the first killer when they caught Ledoux. Now, it could be -anyone-. Only Rust should care, so whether or not he gets those answers and whether or not the show shares that with the viewers is a different question. So I argue viewers coming up with theories are setting themselves up for disappointment.

The problem with comparing it to Zodiac is that's based on a real case that was never solved. Going into that film most people know they're not going to see a conclusion regarding who the killer was.

True detective is certainly a lot about the characters, but I think it's a mistake to assume that there won't be a resolution as to who or whom are behind the killings in the end. There was certainly a time and place where it was possible to get away with that JJ Abrams mystery box shit, ala LOST but I think peoples patience to put up with that sort of thing expired some time ago. Unless Pizzolatto wants to endure the same disdain most people give Damon Lindelof he'll deliver a conclusion that affords an answer of some sort that brings a resolution to events.
 
Holy crapu!!

I just finished episode 4...DAT ENDING! So well done! A few goofy looking bits...
fight scene primarily
, but still, really fantastic way to end an episode. Soo good!!!
 
There are purple ribbons in that circle like in those totems at the school. Got to be some significance. Purple is the color of royalty but other than that I suppose it is to make us know for sure that the killer left it?
 
Just watched episode one again, and one thing I noticed was that when they initially find Dora Lange, that big assed wheat/corn wheel like sculpture that Cohle is seen looking into when he returns to the crime scene in 2002 in episode 5 wasn't there.

He revisits the scene in 2002 after being spooked by the prisoner talking about the Yellow king during the interrogation. Finding that sculpture is when he realises him & Marty hadn't gotten their man because the killer had marked the site of her sacrifice.

1995: -



2002: -



Didn't really sink in that something was off until the EP1 rewatch, but then it makes sense because no way that sculpture would of survived 7 years.

F'ing Yellow King laying down the challenge.

Thats actually mega creepy.
 
Just watched episode one again, and one thing I noticed was that when they initially find Dora Lange, that big assed wheat/corn wheel like sculpture that Cohle is seen looking into when he returns to the crime scene in 2002 in episode 5 wasn't there.

He revisits the scene in 2002 after being spooked by the prisoner talking about the Yellow king during the interrogation. Finding that sculpture is when he realises him & Marty hadn't gotten their man because the killer had marked the site of her sacrifice.

1995: -

Original%20crime%20scene.jpg


2002: -

Dora%20Lange%20crime%20scene%202002.jpg


Didn't really sink in that something was off until the EP1 rewatch, but then it makes sense because no way that sculpture would of survived 7 years.

F'ing Yellow King laying down the challenge.
Yeah Tuttle is not yellow king. I cant imagine old evangelist dude walking into the cornfield and making weird symbols on trees.
 
Well, I've discussed at length the characterizations of the leads, so I guess it's fair to also talk about what I think about the crime aspect of the show. I don't really like playing join the dots that much with this story because it doesn't really feel like a story where it invites the viewer to join the dots so much as just process the information that's being provided and enjoy what unfolds.

- It's clear to me from the start that the case is not really about a murder so much as a message. Someone is trying to say something but it's not completely clear what that something is. It probably doesn't have anything to do with Rust or Marty, or most of the normal people who see it as just an occult murder.

- In isolation, such a message would mean nothing to the characters on the show, if not for the fact that Rust is takes the case personally and is obsessed to solve it. Why? Initially because it's his job, but as time goes by and he digs deeper, it seems to have turned into a personal crusade for him.

- As a man who lost a young daughter and with it all meaning of a normal life, maybe finding out that this one case could be a conspiracy which links to many other cases of missing women and children in the state over two decades makes want to believe that is true. If it were, this could have a form of redemption and salvation for him. Instead of just stopping a killer who murdered one prostitute, or a few girls, he could be solving a case which represents everything he has lost, he would be putting an end to the suffering of all those other parents everywhere, and avenging all the little girls in Louisiana.

- We don't really know how Marty plays into it, but I would bet that he too sees a bit of that redemption and desires it too. He might not feel it as deeply as Rust does, but as a prideful man whose family seems to be have broken up, and as someone who looks back with regret on how he failed to bring up his daughters properly, I'm sure he would want closure in knowing that he helped get the bastard or bastards who were behind something like serial child killings/kidnappings in the state over two decades.

- And that's really what I think the story here is about. It's closure that the characters seek. Closure in the case would help give them closure in their lives. It's a lot like a story about how someone doesn't have the courage to ask the girl they liked to the prom way back, and he runs into her again in adulthood years later. Or letting a childhood friend move away without ever telling her that he loved her. This is about making things right, in order to move on in life. Making it right just happens to revolve around a supposed cult with powerful people in it.

- So yes, I do think the case will be solved, or as solved as it is satisfying for the audience, but not in the sense that the case is the most interesting part of the story or the part that the writer really wants to tell. It will be satisfying because I am certain that the character arcs will come to a close whether they find salvation or lose it forever. There will be closure.
 
Just watched episode one again, and one thing I noticed was that when they initially find Dora Lange, that big assed wheat/corn wheel like sculpture that Cohle is seen looking into when he returns to the crime scene in 2002 in episode 5 wasn't there.

He revisits the scene in 2002 after being spooked by the prisoner talking about the Yellow king during the interrogation. Finding that sculpture is when he realises him & Marty hadn't gotten their man because the killer had marked the site of her sacrifice.

1995: -

Original%20crime%20scene.jpg


2002: -

Dora%20Lange%20crime%20scene%202002.jpg


Didn't really sink in that something was off until the EP1 rewatch, but then it makes sense because no way that sculpture would of survived 7 years.

F'ing Yellow King laying down the challenge.

Yup, now there is just a flat (wicker) circle.

Or a symbolic portal to another world - opened by the human sacrifice.

Imagine you were an actual police officer and you found that thing at the site of a murder you thought you solved years ago. You may very well be creeped out and obsess about it like Cohle. I know I would.
 
Wow.

I haven't been this obsessed with a television program in a long time. I started watching last week and I have seen every episode 4 times now.

Amazing stuff.
 
Watched the first two episodes last night... Wow! Really great show so far. This is kind of what I was hoping Hannibal would be like, but that went down the tired old police procedural route with dumb, comic book killers. Can't wait to watch some more.
 
Well, I've discussed at length the characterizations of the leads, so I guess it's fair to also talk about what I think about the crime aspect of the show. I don't really like playing join the dots that much with this story because it doesn't really feel like a story where it invites the viewer to join the dots so much as just process the information that's being provided and enjoy what unfolds.

- It's clear to me from the start that the case is not really about a murder so much as a message. Someone is trying to say something but it's not completely clear what that something is. It probably doesn't have anything to do with Rust or Marty, or most of the normal people who see it as just an occult murder.

- In isolation, such a message would mean nothing to the characters on the show, if not for the fact that Rust is takes the case personally and is obsessed to solve it. Why? Initially because it's his job, but as time goes by and he digs deeper, it seems to have turned into a personal crusade for him.

- As a man who lost a young daughter and with it all meaning of a normal life, maybe finding out that this one case could be a conspiracy which links to many other cases of missing women and children in the state over two decades makes want to believe that is true. If it were, this could have a form of redemption and salvation for him. Instead of just stopping a killer who murdered one prostitute, or a few girls, he could be solving a case which represents everything he has lost, he would be putting an end to the suffering of all those other parents everywhere, and avenging all the little girls in Louisiana.

- We don't really know how Marty plays into it, but I would bet that he too sees a bit of that redemption and desires it too. He might not feel it as deeply as Rust does, but as a prideful man whose family seems to be have broken up, and as someone who looks back with regret on how he failed to bring up his daughters properly, I'm sure he would want closure in knowing that he helped get the bastard or bastards who were behind something like serial child killings/kidnappings in the state over two decades.

- And that's really what I think the story here is about. It's closure that the characters seek. Closure in the case would help give them closure in their lives. It's a lot like a story about how someone doesn't have the courage to ask the girl they liked to the prom way back, and he runs into her again in adulthood years later. Or letting a childhood friend move away without ever telling her that he loved her. This is about making things right, in order to move on in life. Making it right just happens to revolve around a supposed cult with powerful people in it.

- So yes, I do think the case will be solved, or as solved as it is satisfying for the audience, but not in the sense that the case is the most interesting part of the story or the part that the writer really wants to tell. It will be satisfying because I am certain that the character arcs will come to a close whether they find salvation or lose it forever. There will be closure.
Get out of my head, duckroll.
 
Starting watching last night, love the show. My only regret is now that I'm gonna be caught up I have to wait each week for an episode lol, really wanted to wait until it was all over to watch back to back.
 
True Detective is the best show on TV right now, in my opinion. I haven't been this enthralled by a mystery/whodunit since Twin Peaks. While The Returned had me guessing and kept me on my feet throughout its first season, TD is on a whole different level of intense, and the last episode and the one before that proved it. REALLY can't wait for tomorrow.
 
Rev Tuttle or Gov. Tuttle aren't the Yellow King.The Tuttles obviously know who the Yellow King is.

Hell, if it's someone we've already seen, could be the preacher from the tent church, I doubt it though.
 
Everyone's obsessing about who could be the yellow king. I'm not entirely convinced that the yellow king is even a person.

more likely than anything it's a token or an idea. everyone and no one is the yellow king, the killings and rituals attached to them are all on a flat circle. what has happened will happen again and again and again.
 
more likely than anything it's a token or an idea. everyone and no one is the yellow king, the killings and rituals attached to them are all on a flat circle. what has happened will happen again and again and again.
Right. The way I see it, Guy Francis saying I can tell you about the yellow king could be on par with "let me tell you about Jesus" for all we know. He didn't say that the guy doing the killings is the yellow king. This is a cult conspiracy afterall.
 
Just watched the tracking shot from the end of episode four for the third time. It really is an exceptional piece of work.

Showed it to a photographer/videographer friend. When it finished he let out a deep exhale and went "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH" and his face was red. I don't think he was breathing throughout the whole thing.
 
Showed it to a photographer/videographer friend. When it finished he let out a deep exhale and went "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH" and his face was red. I don't think he was breathing throughout the whole thing.

All that immense planning and execution went into getting that exact response from him. It's such a relief when you get a cut when Marty shows up and you can start breathing/blinking again!
 
Well, that new episode description is about as straightforward as it could be -- and addresses something we've all been dying to know about. Hyped!
 
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