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Is it just me, or does the writer (or Cohle maybe?) have some sort of obsession with faces getting cut off. He talked about the cartel cutting people's faces off while they watched in a mirror back in ep4. And in ep5 while he was telling the guy about being insane while on drugs, he mentioned a case where someone cut off his own face while high. Pretty creepy and morbid, especially when you pair those totally unrelated things with how the Lange was spotted talking to a man with "scars all over his face" back in ep3, and in the preview for ep6

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there's a scene where a woman is telling Cohle "The man with the scars. He made me watch."

There seems to be something going on thematically there.

 

[kirblar]

The car accident thing was in response to Rust's story about his daughter at dinner, right?

Not sure on the timing. The gangbang-esque positioning of the figures was the more concerning thing, not the story.

 

[Cornballer]

Only a matter of time and exposure before we get some Pizzolatto trollface pics.

What? It's not like the guy wrote the season 1 finale for The Killing. Uh oh...

Joking aside, he's said the right things in interviews but ultimately it's about what's on screen. We'll just have to see how it all turns out in a few weeks.

 

[PalaceBrother]

Called it right when they did not go in the school during the third episode.

Oh yeah. I joked with my wife that the groundskeeper was probably the big bad.

 

[FreddieQuell]

I was rewatching the making of special and I think one of the actors might have let something slip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zoYq2bDaGt4#t=190

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"That's what keeps them together for 17 years."

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I guess this might mean that they have still been working together since 2002.

 

[Robot Pants]

Probably been discussed already, but I just watched the episode again and caught a lot more dialogue.

At the end, Cohle says to the dectives, "How did you manage to keep her [current murder] out of the paper? Maybe friends in high places?"

And then gives them both this look like yea maybe they're in on it.
So whoever had that theory might be right.

It's my theory that Tuttle obviously was the one, or one of the big guys behind the killings and Cohle already got to him, but there are still more out there. And before he was suspicious of the detectives, his little beer can men surrounding one woman was some way of hinting to them the answers without saying it directly.

Or he's the killer, but I doubt it.

 

[Quote]

What? It's not like the guy wrote the season 1 finale for The Killing. Uh oh...

Joking aside, he's said the right things in interviews but ultimately it's about what's on screen. We'll just have to see how it all turns out in a few weeks.

To be fair, I think the journey and conclusions between those two episodes were the issue with that season.

 

[noobasuar]

So wait did Cohle kill Tuttle in 2010 or someone else?

 

[Jangocube]

Yo, whats wrong with the oldest daughter?

They are leaning too much on family problems and Audrey for it to be just 'family problems'

My guess would be that the older daughter has been abused by someone probably related to the case.

Kids just don't come up with drawings like that and position dolls in such a way with just their imagination. The kid saw/experienced something traumatic.

 

[F0rneus]

I'm still standing by my understanding of the whole she-bang. There is most likely a cult, and they are most likely aware of the killings, but this is a serial killer show. Not a serial killing cult show. And Pizzolatto keeps saying that the plot is much simpler than we expect.

Like Guy Francis said in jail...:"He's still out there killing. Big people know about him. Big people." Him. Not them.

That doesn't scream cult or group to me. That screams batshit crazy serial killer. Part of a cult? Hell yeah most likely. But I do see this show going in the direction of a big showdown with the killer. Not a cult.

 

[RustyNails]

Does it make me a bad person to think Marty slapping his messed up tween disaster was the right thing to do?

 

[Extra Sauce]

Is the show really trying to lure us into thinking Rust is the killer? That last shot was eerie but there's no way...

Of course he's hiding stuff and probably have skeletons in his closet (Tuttle being a candidate) but I think there's more chance that the big reveal about Rust will be that he's been chasing the same killer since before he even met Marty.

Does it make me a bad person to think Marty slapping his messed up tween disaster was the right thing to do?

Only if you want to mess up a troubled teenager even more than they already are.

 

[real_slime]

Does it make me a bad person to think Marty slapping his messed up tween disaster was the right thing to do?

well it might indicate you've got some of the messed up and damaging attitudes about sex and women as marty does...

further traumatising someone for doing something that ultimately will only hurt themselves in service of punishment isn't a right thing to do whatever the reasoning - or lack of reasoning in marty's case (i think he's got a disdain for women which is wrapped up in his own weaknesses). it's like he seems to have finally realised in 2012 - he stopped drinking and having affairs, but the reasons he was doing those two things wasn't addressed, so he ends up acting out in other ways which are also bad for his family and it eventually means he loses them.

 

[F0rneus]

Does it make me a bad person to think Marty slapping his messed up tween disaster was the right thing to do?

It felt horribly wrong to me.

 

[-griffy-]

So wait did Cohle kill Tuttle in 2010 or someone else?

We don't know that yet. We just know he died in 2010, and Cohle came out of whatever hole he was hiding in shortly after that.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

Has anyone mentioned how brutally awesome that headshot Marty delivered to LeDoux was? Holy shit his face looked like something out of The Last of Us.

 

[duckroll]

This show has really fucking good continuity and attention to detail. It makes watching it a lot more satisfying when you know that so many things line up in a logical way.

Here's a comparison of the signboard from Ep1 (1995) and Ep5 (2002):

Comparison of the Lange crime scene from Ep1 (1995) and Ep5 (2002):

Here's a picture of the burning of the field at the start of Ep1:

I wonder if that scene is simply just what the episode suggested (the farmer burning the field before he discovered the body) or if there's a deeper meaning to making it the first scene in the series. It could well be that the story goes full circle by the end, and it's in fact Cohle doing the burning in the present, to burn away everything which is connected to the case.


Some stuff from the episode 6 preview which people who are avoiding it won't want to know about:

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Rev Tuttle in Ep1 and Rev Tuttle in Ep6. Looks like Cohle paid him a visit back in 2002. Might explain why he crashed out and went off the grid.

 

[-griffy-]

Here's a comparison of the signboard from Ep1 (1995) and Ep5 (2002):

God damn, they even shot them at completely different times of year.

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

Does it make me a bad person to think Marty slapping his messed up tween disaster was the right thing to do?

was it right because of what she did? Was it right because she told Marty "fuck you" after Marty called her a slut? It solved nothing and probably turned his daughter against him

 

[Dead Man]

Does it make me a bad person to think Marty slapping his messed up tween disaster was the right thing to do?

Doesn't make you a bad person, but it does mean you may be holding some wrong ideas about child development, puberty, and behavioural modelling. It's not so much that it makes someone bad, just that it will have very low efficacy in bringing about the desired outcomes.

Is the show really trying to lure us into thinking Rust is the killer? That last shot was eerie but there's no way...

Of course he's hiding stuff and probably have skeletons in his closet (Tuttle being a candidate) but I think there's more chance that the big reveal about Rust will be that he's been chasing the same killer since before he even met Marty.

I think we have been so trained to look for stupid twists like that that we look for them even when they are not there. Rust is not the killer. If he is, it will ruin the whole story for me.

 

[RustyNails]

was it right because of what she did? Was it right because she told her Marty "fuck you" after Marty called her a slut? It solved nothing and probably turned his daughter against him

Oh yeah, forgot that Marty called her Captain of the varsity slut team.

 

[potam]

IGN noted it looked like he was inspecting them as if he were handling precious trophies (I.e his trophies), not sure id put too much stock into that theory though. I imagine this is going to be one of those series that will make more sense once you know the ending and rewatch prior episodes, we could have missed so much :O)

That makes no sense. "I wonder what's in this school I've never been to? OH LOOK I FORGOT I PUT ALL MY MURDER TROPHIES IN HERE."


edit: I think it's already died down, but can we please not have this thread turn into a debate about child rearing and adolescent sexual development?

 

[The Artful Dodger]

was it right because of what she did? Was it right because she told Marty "fuck you" after Marty called her a slut? It solved nothing and probably turned his daughter against him

Does it make me a bad person to think Marty slapping his messed up tween disaster was the right thing to do?

Oh yeah, forgot that Marty called her Captain of the varsity slut team.

looking back on that scene, it seemed like she was about to say something right before Marty made that varsity slut crack

 

[RustyNails]

That makes no sense. "I wonder what's in this school I've never been to? OH LOOK I FORGOT I PUT ALL MY MURDER TROPHIES IN HERE."

Same. It makes no sense for him to act that way. "Let me go to my trophy collection, but wait, I want to walk very slowly and carefully with my flashlight and examine these creepy wall drawings just outside my trophy room"

 

[Psychological Intellect]

Same. It makes no sense for him to act that way. "Let me go to my trophy collection, but wait, I want to walk very slowly and carefully with my flashlight and examine these creepy wall drawings just outside my trophy room"

Just in case the feds are watching bro.

 

[jtb]

they just spent the entire last episode showing us that Rust wasn't the killer, just like how they've been using the modern interviews to show that Rust is clearly the police's suspect (and confirmed it in this episode). so far, there haven't been any twists for the sake of having twists (or really, any twists at all)—and the show is much better for it.

it's always refreshing to have a television show that doesn't devolve into a pissing contest of the viewers trying to outsmart the writers or vice versa. focus on telling a quality story. surprise is such a small part of why I experience stories.

 

[potam]

Did you know from the beginning how Season One would end?

I knew what the last scene was. I wasn’t entirely sure how we were going to get ourselves there, but I knew what it was. And if the last scene had to change because the characters revealed something to me, then it would change. But actually the last scene is the last scene that was always intended to be.

I’ve enjoyed reading people theorize about what’s going to happen because it’s a sign that you’re connecting. But I’m also sort of surprised by how far afield they’re getting. Like, why do you think we’re tricking you? It’s because you’ve been abused as an audience for more than 20 years. The show’s not trying to outsmart you. And really if you pay attention… if someone watches the first episode and really listens, it tells you 85 percent of the story of the first six episodes.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...I guess I'll rewatch episode 1 later tonight.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I'm imagining one of the final scenes to be Rust and Marty in an interrogation box, interrogating the killer. They keep mentioning what an ace interrogator Rust is. I can see them trying to utterly break the Yellow King with words instead of a gunfight.

 

[duckroll]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...I guess I'll rewatch episode 1 later tonight.

He's basically talking about how they laid out all the major beats in the first episode.

- Marty and Rust's relationship as partners in 1995
- How the task force was trying to take the case off their hands from the start
- Marty's daughter having issues with sexual awakening
- The Dora Lange case is considered closed because they found a suspect and got him
- The thing everyone talks about was them bringing the kids out of the woods
- Something happened in 2002 which made their relationship break down
- They've both left the force and have been civilians for years now
- Everyone knows what Marty has been doing, Rust is the one who's been off the grid

That's all in the first episode, and everything which they fill in is consistent with that. No real surprises out of nowhere. The show is clearly about execution and how you tell a story, and not making stuff up which "blows people's minds" in a typical twist fashion.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

He's basically talking about how they laid out all the major beats in the first episode.

- Marty and Rust's relationship as partners in 1995
- How the task force was trying to take the case off their hands from the start
- Marty's daughter having issues with sexual awakening
- The Dora Lange case is considered closed because they found a suspect and got him
- The thing everyone talks about was them bringing the kids out of the woods
- Something happened in 2002 which made their relationship break down
- They've both left the force and have been civilians for years now
- Everyone knows what Marty has been doing, Rust is the one who's been off the grid

That's all in the first episode, and everything which they fill in is consistent with that. No real surprises out of nowhere. The show is clearly about execution and how you tell a story, and not making stuff up which "blows people's minds" in a typical twist fashion.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

Wait, I thought Marty was still a cop?

oh the task force thing just hit me. Tuttle wanted the task force on it so it wouldn't get anywhere. Does Tuttle have a son? If so, he's the Yellow King.

 

[duckroll]

Wait, I thought Marty was still a cop?

oh the task force thing just hit me. Tuttle wanted the task force on it so it wouldn't get anywhere. Does Tuttle have a son? If so, he's the Yellow King.

Marty runs a security company now. He's not a cop.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

Marty runs a security company now. He's not a cop.

ahh cool. DId they ever mention if they left the force at the same time? That would tie in nicely with the "they're still working on the case together" theory.

 

[duckroll]

ahh cool. DId they ever mention if they left the force at the same time? That would tie in nicely with the "they're still working on the case together" theory.

I don't think they mentioned that timeline, but it sounds like Rust left the force and went off the grid, while Marty retired from public service normally, and went into the private sector like many retired cops.

It's possible they haven't been working together, but that they really had a falling out. What I'm wondering is, was the falling out something that happened on its own, or did Rust spark it off on purpose so he could disappear and not drag Marty and his family into it, when he realized he was in over his head. That's also likely I think.

 

[aFIGurANT]

ahh cool. DId they ever mention if they left the force at the same time? That would tie in nicely with the "they're still working on the case together" theory.

We'll find out for sure next week but it seems highly likely that something happens to the both of them and they quit/get fired in 2002.

 

[Vyer]

I've been mostly avoiding this thread and pretty much everything on the net because I marathoned these episodes this week. All this King in Yellow and other clues are hitting me all at once. Great stuff.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I've been mostly avoiding this thread and pretty much everything on the net because I marathoned these episodes this week. All this King in Yellow and other clues are hitting me all at once. Great stuff.

Welcome aboard! Tell us about your speculations and who you think should be in the show next season!

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

it's always refreshing to have a television show that doesn't devolve into a pissing contest of the viewers trying to outsmart the writers or vice versa. focus on telling a quality story. surprise is such a small part of why I experience stories.

you had a lot of people wanting to peg Rust as the murderer earlier on, which was just ridiculous. Even though he was difficult to read initially, it was always a silly conclusion to come too. In the behind the episode vid from this week, pizzolatto

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calls both Rust and Marty "heroes"

, not really the type of thing you call a serial killer. We can put that dumb shit to bed.

Its like those shitty horror movies where you find out the friend or girlfriend is the killer in the last five minutes. Shitty twists at the end of movies and TV shows have fucked up our expectations

 

[jvm]

Does it make me a bad person to think Marty slapping his messed up tween disaster was the right thing to do?

It's hard to put aside that feeling that pain will deter, I believe. Once you really look at your children and see fully-realized human beings who are likely to respond to being harmed by avoiding the person harming them, then you find that you're putting distance between you and the child -- a distance that prevents you from being there when they may need you in the future.

I have told my children about how my being honest with my parents was better for me growing up, facing up to mistakes immediately rather than trying to hide them. In return, my children have been forthright with me in cases where I know they could have tried to hide their mistakes. This doesn't mean that they haven't gotten away with things -- they may well have, as I did in some cases as a youngster -- but it does mean that I'm there more often than if they tried to hide everything.

I fear that Marty will lose his daughter, or daughters, because he put that distance between himself and them.

 

[Dead Man]

Marty's father in law drinks the same beer as Cohle. Just product placement?

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

Did rust ever actually get his hands on the report the investigators have?

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Did rust ever actually get his hands on the report the investigators have?

looked like they showed him a few photos and that's all

 

[potam]

looked like they showed him a few photos and that's all

I could have sworn he flipped through the folder for a second and tossed it down, like they didn't have anything interesting. Or maybe that was Marty?

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Did rust ever actually get his hands on the report the investigators have?

He probably lost interest once he realized their biggest lead was that he was the killer.

 

[Gozer the Gozerian]

Marty's father in law drinks the same beer as Cohle. Just product placement?

Were Marty's father-in-law and Cohle ever on screen at the same time??? Think about it

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Were Marty's father-in-law and Cohle ever on screen at the same time??? Think about it

Rust is Marty's Father-in-law, and the killer and Reverend Tuttle

 

[Dead Man]

Were Marty's father-in-law and Cohle ever on screen at the same time??? Think about it

Shit, Cohle is Marty's father in law!

Edit: Damn it, that is twice today somebody has beat me with the same time stamp lol. Flat circle indeed.

 

[Avinexus]

I could have sworn he flipped through the folder for a second and tossed it down, like they didn't have anything interesting. Or maybe that was Marty?

Rust saw it and said something like, "That's it? That's all you got? No older case files...something something". Then they showed him some pictures after.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Rust is Marty's Father-in-law, and the killer and Reverend Tuttle

Wrap it up. We're done here. Any conclusion other than this will be an anti-climax.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

What? It's not like the guy wrote the season 1 finale for The Killing. Uh oh...
.

mindblown