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Would you eat meat grown Matrix-style?

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http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/


Architecture student André Ford has proposed a new system for the mass production of chickens that removes the birds’ cerebral cortex so that they don’t experience the horrors of being packed together tightly in vertical farms.

Each year, the United Kingdom raises and kills around 800 million broiler chickens for their meat. These creatures are grown in vast sheds with no natural light over the course of six to seven weeks. They are bred to grow particularly quickly and often die because their hearts and lungs cannot keep up with their body’s rapid growth.
Philosopher Paul Thompson from Purdue University has suggested “The Blind Chicken Solution.” He argues that chickens blinded by “accident” have been developed into a strain of laboratory chickens that don’t mind being crowded together as much as normal chickens do. As a result, he argues, we should consider using blind chickens in food production as a solution to the problem of overcrowding in the poultry industry. He argues that it would be more humane to have blind chickens than ones that can see.

But Ford goes a step further and proposes a “Headless Chicken Solution.” This would involve removing the cerebral cortex of the chicken to inhibit its sensory perceptions so that it could be produced in more densely packed conditions without the associated distress. The brain stem for the chicken would be kept intact so that the homeostatic functions continue to operate, allowing it to grow.


Ford proposes this solution for two reasons: To meet the rising demand for meat, particularly poultry, and to improve the welfare of the chickens by desensitizing them to the unpleasant reality of their existence.

After this “desensitization,” the chickens could then be stacked into huge urban farms with around 1,000 chickens hooked up to large vertical frames — a little like the network of pods the humans are connected to in The Matrix. The feet of the chickens would also be removed in order to pack more in. There could be dozens of these frames in the vertical farming system, which Ford refers to as the Centre for Unconscious Farming. Food, water and air would be delivered via a network of tubes and excrement would be removed in the same way. This technique could achieve a density of around 11.7 chickens per cubic meter instead of the current 3.2 chickens achieved in broiler houses.

A challenge for Ford’s system would be the lack of muscular stimulation. However, Ford proposes using electric shocks similar to that used in other lab meat experiments.

“The realities of the existing systems of production are just as shocking.”
Ford argues that his solution is no more shocking than existing food-production techniques.
“The realities of the existing systems of production are just as shocking,” he told Wired.co.uk, “but they are hidden behind the sentimental guise of traditional farming scenes that we as consumers hold in our minds and see on our food packaging.”

He added: “There are numerous differences between the current dominant production systems and the one I am proposing, but the fundamental difference is the removal of suffering. Whether what I am proposing is an appropriate means to achieve the removal of suffering is open to interpretation. In reality this should be decided at the level of the individual consumer, at the counter, handing over their money and ‘voting’ for their system of preference.”

Ford believes that the Headless Chicken Solution has the same intentions as the lab-grown meats we have seen developed recently. “The intentions are the same — the synthesis of animal protein without the suffering,” he says. However, he believes that the inability to synthesize blood vessels will prove to be a major challenge for those seeking to create 3-D chunks of lab meat.

The likeness to The Matrix has not gone unnoticed by Ford. “The similarities are patent, although in The Matrix the dominant species were kind enough to provide the subspecies with a alternate reality, which was far better than the their ‘real’ post-apocalyptic world,” he told us. “This was a lovely gesture by ‘The Machines,’ but the chickens in this system will not be privy to such a luxurious appendage to an already elaborate system, especially in this age of austerity.”

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Suairyu

Banned
This is such a difficult concept. Is it better to not live at all than to live in agony? Because consciousness is life. And this denies those chickens that.

I'm honestly not sure where I stand on the idea at all.

Yikes, tissue culture meat grown in labs would be 1000x less creepy.
See, the moment 'grown' tissue culture is widely available in a form that tastes as good, I'm there. No problem.
 

LAUGHTREY

Modesty becomes a woman
The only part of this I'm opposed to is the actual design of the machine. We really don't need to be helping the eventual AI takeover by designing our own future fate.
 

daviyoung

Banned
This is no different to factory farming from an ethical perspective, you're still mutilating an animal regardless of what you think it thinks of the situation.

Just give us synthetic test-tube meat, and not these rubbish moralistic workarounds.
 

Qwomo

Junior Member
Creepy but cool.

Anyway yeah sure, I don't care. I eat chickens that are treated like shit, why wouldn't I eat lobotimized chickens.
 

squidyj

Member
I mean, you've got this complicated assembly going on there, you've got all sorts of weird shit you gotta take care of, and now you've got an increased energy bill on farms because you've got to provide electric shocks to all your chickens to stimulate them into producing muscle.

Somehow I doubt this concept is getting off the ground.

I guess on the plus side you could run this system anywhere without any issue.
 

way more

Member
It's a pretty simple thing to grasp. We all agree (us normies anyway,) that animals need to be killed for us to eat meat. And we all agree that the animal should be given a cruelty free environment absent of abuse and undersized cages. They don't need rights or freedom.

Ergo, cruelty free meat produced with amazing efficiency. Unless you believe in it's soul or some crap how could you be against this?
 

Gaaraz

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Surely the research costs involved in this would be better off making a viable alternative to chicken? ie Quorn and similar alternatives are okay, kinda, but I'd have thought it'd be preferable to get those tasting as near to 100% to chicken as possible, rather than genetically modifying animals to not have heads etc... :/
 

squidyj

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It's a pretty simple thing to grasp. We all agree (us normies anyway,) that animals need to be killed for us to eat meat. And we all agree that the animal should be given a cruelty free environment absent of abuse and undersized cages. They don't need rights or freedom.

Ergo, cruelty free meat produced with amazing efficiency. Unless you believe in it's soul or some crap how could you be against this?

I'm not convinced on the effciency of the system to be honest.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
ITT, people struggle to articulate their emotional objections even while the objective rational reality is that this is a better system for animals and humans.

Protip - don't try to anthropomorphize this situation too much. Unless you also want to anthropormophize the existing farming situation.
 

Korey

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http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/

Each year, the United Kingdom raises and kills around 800 million broiler chickens for their meat. These creatures are grown in vast sheds with no natural light over the course of six to seven weeks. They are bred to grow particularly quickly and often die because their hearts and lungs cannot keep up with their body’s rapid growth.

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He added: “There are numerous differences between the current dominant production systems and the one I am proposing, but the fundamental difference is the removal of suffering. Whether what I am proposing is an appropriate means to achieve the removal of suffering is open to interpretation. In reality this should be decided at the level of the individual consumer, at the counter, handing over their money and ‘voting’ for their system of preference.”

Ford believes that the Headless Chicken Solution has the same intentions as the lab-grown meats we have seen developed recently. “The intentions are the same — the synthesis of animal protein without the suffering,” he says.

Instead of growing them matrix style to achieve "removal of suffering", how about you remove the suffering by freaking treating them better in the first place?
 

Zaptruder

Banned
I'd prefer that over the huge cramped barn-type areas but I'd rather free range if I have the option.

Until you realize that free range is simply a marketing term, where the reality is even crueller for the chickens than the cage method.

Imagine been thrown into an open coop with too many other chickens, and you're all going berserk, shitting all over each other, claws are scratching the shit of each other, and the noise is defeaning. You're not caged, but you're constantly fighting and stressed for your short, rather bloody, brutal, shitty life.

Congratulations, you're a free range chicken.
 

big_z

Member
matrix meat will never happen since it's already outdated. scientists have already grown meat in petri dishes in small amounts. in the future you'll go to your local grocer and scrape which ever flavor meat you want out of a fucking vat.
 

Korey

Member
matrix meat will never happen since it's already outdated. scientists have already grown meat in petri dishes in small amounts. in the future you'll go to your local grocer and scrape which ever flavor meat you want out of a fucking vat.

Yea, that's a much better way to do this.
 

way more

Member
Instead of growing them matrix style to achieve "removal of suffering", how about you remove the suffering by freaking treating them better in the first place?

Then chicken would cost 10 dollars a pound and you would only eat it on your birthday.
 
matrix meat will never happen since it's already outdated. scientists have already grown meat in petri dishes in small amounts. in the future you'll go to your local grocer and scrape which ever flavor meat you want out of a fucking vat.

Something like that. They'll have a machine that just rapidly makes chicken meat tissue. As much as you want.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
matrix meat will never happen since it's already outdated. scientists have already grown meat in petri dishes in small amounts. in the future you'll go to your local grocer and scrape which ever flavor meat you want out of a fucking vat.

Better yet, combine the vat grown meat slurry with 3D printing machines, and print out modernist cuisine dishes.
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
This is no different to factory farming from an ethical perspective, you're still mutilating an animal regardless of what you think it thinks of the situation.

Just give us synthetic test-tube meat, and not these rubbish moralistic workarounds.

They're working on it, needs at least another decade - maybe another decade after that for testing
 

FillerB

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Seems like a good solution until the technology to artificially grow meat of good quality comes around. It's certainly better than what we have at the moment. And besides: the average consumer doesn't care how the meat was produced as long as it's cheap AND of good quality. This proposal would us exactly that.
 

Prax

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matrix meat will never happen since it's already outdated. scientists have already grown meat in petri dishes in small amounts. in the future you'll go to your local grocer and scrape which ever flavor meat you want out of a fucking vat.
Yes! As long as the flavoured and texture are right, I've no problem with this.

Better yet, combine the vat grown meat slurry with 3D printing machines, and print out modernist cuisine dishes.
That seems expensive though... if they were to be made into nice, animal-like shapes.
I like the "no frills" version of just vat scraping or precut blobs.



I otherwise want to eat relatively happy chickens. Maybe if those Matrix chickens were ensured good dreams...
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
You're not caged, but you're constantly fighting and stressed for your short, rather bloody, brutal, shitty life.

Congratulations, you're a free range chicken.
Yeah, I don't think a lot of people realize how violent chickens can treat each other and their penchant for pecking each other to death. There's a reason that "pecking order" is named like that.

matrix meat will never happen since it's already outdated. scientists have already grown meat in petri dishes in small amounts. in the future you'll go to your local grocer and scrape which ever flavor meat you want out of a fucking vat.

Yea, that's a much better way to do this.

IIRC, petri meat does not yet have the consistency and texture of meat from an animal yet. Still working on that part.
 
Wait I'm a little confused how do they blind and dumb the chickens down? I'm assuming genetically but I'm not sure what they meant by 'accidentally' blind chickens. I mean I guess it's 'less' cruel but like everyone else is suggesting eventually we'll just eat lab grown meat and not have to worry about the animals anymore.
 
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