Werewolf Jones
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Bad year for games when a Dark Souls made palatable for Bethesda fans wins GOTY.
Says who? The unexpected turns the story takes, well written dialog, scenes and universal themes made that game a timeless classic.Last of us 2 getting 330 is embarrassing. It's not a timeless classic at all like elden ring will be.
People like you are the reason why triple-A games are trash and we're not getting more of the good stuff like Elden Ring.You just have bad taste and that's ok.
People like you are the reason why triple-A games are trash and we're not getting more of the good stuff like Elden Ring.
FTFYPeople like trash games
I played and loved both games, plus I’m a fan of all soulsborne games. I have good taste, you don’t.People like you are the reason why triple-A games are trash and we're not getting more of the good stuff like Elden Ring.
So the game part of the game isn't all that good, then?Says who? The unexpected turns the story takes, well written dialog, scenes and universal themes made that game a timeless classic...
It is but spin all you want and stay salty. The gameplay is flawless.So the game part of the game isn't all that good, then?
Oh boy, I think I hit a nerve.It is but spin all you want and stay salty. The gameplay is flawless.
Oh boy, I think I hit a nerve.
I was asking why the gameplay of a "timeless classic" game didn't warrant a mention - the game part of a game is a pretty important factor in it being a timeless classic game in my opinion. There are thousands of great stories in video games, but they get lost to time because the game that delivers that story ages out of relevancy.
And, no, you didn’t hit any nerve. You’re not relevant at all.It is but spin all you want and stay salty. The gameplay is flawless.
The game has multiple difficulty settings and accessibility features. It can be played by those that want a good story and by those that want a hardcore game. The game allows you to be creative and don’t force you to play in a certain way. You’re free to run, do stealth or simply kill everything in your way and you’re the one that chooses how you will do this. The game doesn’t force you to use select weapons or anything.
So sorry, the game is a timeless classic. Pity you can’t see or apreciate that but nothing anyone of the salty guys will take the merit away from the game.
Oh yeah, I absolutely hit a nerve.And, no, you didn’t hit any nerve. You’re not relevant at all.
Oh yeah, I absolutely hit a nerve.
You went back and edited your post after I responded to it to add in an entire rambling paragraph, ending with an attempt at a "mic drop".... because I asked why you didn't highlight the gameplay? I haven't even commented on the game at all - not a single word about it - yet you drop into sixth gear from the get go: "Pity you can’t see or apreciate that but nothing anyone of the salty guys will take the merit away from the game.". Like, what in the holy fuck are you doing?
Oh boy, I think I hit a nerve.
I was asking why the gameplay of a "timeless classic" game didn't warrant a mention - the game part of a game is a pretty important factor in it being a timeless classic game in my opinion. There are thousands of great stories in video games, but they get lost to time because the game that delivers that story ages out of relevancy.
Of course, but the concept of a "timeless classic" is a game that can be played today, tomorrow, or fifty years from now. If the gameplay has aged so poorly that the act of playing it is simply unpalatable, then I'd argue it's not a timeless classic at all. It had a time, its time has passed, and there's nothing wrong with that. Super Mario World is a timeless classic, while once-legendary titles like the OG Wing Commander have shown they aren't - they had an expiry date. There aren't too many games lauded for their narratives that are held up as all time classics years later that also have terrible gameplay. If the gameplay ages out, so does its status. Heavy Rain was once called the best game of all time, and yet, most people have left it behind, while titles like Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines continue to maintain a strong following year after year. Gameplay isn't irrelevant, regardless of how well told a story is.Games are an experience and there is more than one aspect of a game that makes it a timeless classic.
Final Fantasy X and VII are going to be remembered for their story more so than the gameplay.
Super Metroid is going to be remembered for its gameplay more than its story.
The Last of Us is considered one of the greatest games of all time mainly because of its story.
These games bring memorable experiences that people want to relive or remember forever.
Of course, but the concept of a "timeless classic" is a game that can be played today, tomorrow, or fifty years from now. If the gameplay has aged so poorly that the act of playing it is simply unpalatable, then I'd argue it's not a timeless classic at all. It had a time, its time has passed, and there's nothing wrong with that. Super Mario World is a timeless classic, while once-legendary titles like the OG Wing Commander have shown they aren't - they had an expiry date. There aren't too many games lauded for their narratives that are held up as all time classics years later that also have terrible gameplay. If the gameplay ages out, so does its status. Heavy Rain was once called the best game of all time, and yet, most people have left it behind, while titles like Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines continue to maintain a strong following year after year. Gameplay isn't irrelevant, regardless of how well told a story is.
People aren't talking about Elden Ring lore? What? There are entire YouTube channels dedicated to thatYou are out to lunch. Its a timeless classic, just like the first game was.
Elden Ring was a lot of hype at launch and a few months after. But all people really talk about now is how many GOTYs it will win. Who's discussing the boss fights? The lore? No one.
TLOU 2, the game still frequently pops up on the main page of every gaming forum on earth 2+ years after its release, people still discuss the game as if it's new. Its started debates like arguably no other game in history.
And its story has easily allowed for the most in depth discussions of video game narrative debates ever.
And thats without even mentioning the fact that people still use it as a bar for animation, facial animation. Linear level design, stealth gameplay, etc. Its a classic through and through.
Good point, damn!TLOU 2 won some LGBT group awards which won't apply here.
So, no.
Age is largely irrelevant; I still think the original Doom is a timeless classic. Heavy Rain is dropping out because its gameplay isn't very good, and never was frankly, so it's just much harder to play through today to enjoy its story. It's story was what people enjoyed enough to call it a timeless classic; time has shown that's simply not the case. And It's story hasn't changed one syllable since the day it was released, so, its all down to its gameplay as to why its no longer considered a timeless classic.Resident Evil 1, 2, Tekken 3 are considered time classics, and these games are older than Heavy Rain.
And just because I said games are remembered for their story doesn't mean the gameplay is irrelevant. If Heavy Rain is being dropped out of people's top 10 games then that means it's not the timeless classic people thought.
Resident Evil 1's gameplay hasn't aged that well at all, but the experience is still great. I can play it tomorrow and still have fun.
If Heavy Rain dropped out then it's not a timeless classic. Age is relevant because for it to be considered timeless then it needs to hold up for decades. That's the point of a timeless classic.Age is largely irrelevant; I still think the original Doom is a timeless classic. Heavy Rain is dropping out because its gameplay isn't very good, and never was frankly, so it's just much harder to play through today to enjoy its story. And It's story hasn't changed one syllable since the day it was released, so, its all down to its gameplay as to why its no longer considered a timeless classic.
Believe it or not, Resident Evil 1 and Resident Evil 1 Remake are only about 6 years apart.Resident Evil 1's gameplay has aged incredibly well - there's a reason the remake didn't change much other than fixing up the narrative and a fresh coat of paint.
You'll have to provide some examples of games with good stories and terrible gameplay that are still universally praised as timeless classics, or I have to think that my original statements are still on the money. I actually can't think of a single one myself, so I'll be curious what you have to offer, as there may some games I've simply forgotten!
If the gameplay has aged so poorly that the act of playing it is simply unpalatable, then I'd argue it's not a timeless classic at all
You're right, it was actually an amazing year....don't mind me. I'm just sat here baffled that there were so many amazing games released that year but last of us 2 won so many awards and some were spread out to the other amazing games on that list.....crazy.2020 was a great year.
TLOU 2
Half-Life Alyx
Ghost of Tsushima
Hades
FF7 Remake
Ori and the Will of the Wisps
Cyberpunk 2077
Doom Eternal
Yakuza Like a Dragon
Demons Souls
Flight Simulator
Much better than this year.
The salt has been flowing like crazy the past couple of days
Everything you mentioned has nothing to do with the game parts and maybe that's my problem. I'm glad you liked it that much though but I can legit only name like a few sections that I thought were incredible in a game that far outstayed its welcome. The flaws in such a story based game made it even worse.Says who? The unexpected turns the story takes, well written dialog, scenes and universal themes made that game a timeless classic.It’s fine not to like classics, I don’t like some of them.
Oh okay, that explains a lot. Only someone who unironically brags about being a "gamer" would enjoy shitty games like TLOU2.I played and loved both games, plus I’m a fan of all soulsborne games. I have good taste, you don’t.
I’m actually a gamer and I don’t whine about the games I don’t like.
Why? Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has sold 50m copies and that’s only available on 1 platform.It better sell way more than TLOUS2 did considering that Elden Ring is on 5 platforms vs. 1 for TLOUS 2.
Stop whining and grow up.Oh okay, that explains a lot. Only someone who unironically brags about being a "gamer" would enjoy shitty games like TLOU2.
Unfortunately for you, you don't get to decide this.You're right, it was actually an amazing year....don't mind me. I'm just sat here baffled that there were so many amazing games released that year but last of us 2 won so many awards and some were spread out to the other amazing games on that list.....crazy.
Everything you mentioned has nothing to do with the game parts and maybe that's my problem. I'm glad you liked it that much though but I can legit only name like a few sections that I thought were incredible in a game that far outstayed its welcome. The flaws in such a story based game made it even worse.
-characters completely forgotten about literally seconds after they die.
-far too long
-painfully over violent like someone was having an eli Roth orgy but just not even well done really, just felt like violence to be violent.
-lacked all the specialness that made the first game an actual timeless master piece imo.
-Ellie is just plain awful and should have died at the end.
Good shit.
-sniper section stealth bit.
-abby.
-abby scared of heights.
-abby section working through large building.
-abby basement section.
-abby fire town.
-walk up to last fight...fight. strong ending.
-abby.
Just my opinion. Great game and could hopefully become a decent ish middle film in a strong 3 part chapter with context but it needs a lot of improvements.
It will never be an empire strikes back dark middle chapter. It lacks the finesse.
Hopefully
lol I knew someone was going to respond to me about a Nintendo game, even though they should know that people buy their platforms only for their exclusives.Why? Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has sold 50m copies and that’s only available on 1 platform.
Nope which is weird since it was up for many years going back to when Dragon Age: Inquisition was GOTY. Wonder what brought it down. Maybe the gameawards domain? I can’t seem to find an alternative.This site is no longer online to track, eh?
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We're tracking Game of the Year (GOTY) awards from around the world. Discover what media outlets and players voted as the best titles every year.www.gameawards.net
I'd thank the first game for thatTLOU2 is still in the top five PSN downloads so maybe it deserves it.
The initial sales yes but the fact that it has legs shows that it can stand on it's own.I'd thank the first game for that
You consistently post thoughts straight out of my own head. It's starting to get weird man.Gameplay is by far the best aspect of TLOU Part II, so reading this last page surely is kind of surreal.
Heavy Rain? WTF has a literal movie game with no gameplay like HR to do with a game featuring the best survival gameplay in the genre by a country mile?
It's the only aspect along with production values which is completely unmatched.
And it's not going to age because mechanics are deep enough, snappy enough, and controls strike the perfect balance between animations/input latency.. it will always feel good.
If it wasn't for gameplay, Part II would be not only the most disappointing game ever to me but my most hated piece of entertainment media as well.
Not necessarily, in terms of publications that meet the qualifications of the people tracking and how many outlets choose to do a proper end of year GOTY list the amount varies year by year. 2020 had a lot more counted publications than any previous year, over 200 more than 2021's count. This is why percentage of awards>gross number of awards.There is probably more publications today than 2 years ago, so the chance is there?
Not necessarily, in terms of publications that meet the qualifications of the people tracking and how many outlets choose to do a proper end of year GOTY list the amount varies year by year. 2020 had a lot more counted publications than any previous year, over 200 more than 2021's count. This is why percentage of awards>gross number of awards.
For reference here are the tallies for total GOTY lists counted from previous years :
- 2021 - 432
- 2020 - 640
- 2019 - 465
- 2018 - 518
- 2017 - 462
- 2016 - 480
- 2015 - 476
- 2014 - 433
- 2013 - 540
- 2012 - 395
- 2011 - 410
- 2010 - 297
- 2009 - 220
- 2008 - 210
- 2007 - 162
- 2006 - 113
- 2005 - 61
- 2004 - 55
- 2003 - 40
Numbers come from the gameawards.net site, though I copy-pasted those totals from ResetEra's tracking thread, and they calculated them from the gameawards.net totals. Site has been down for weeks but can still be viewed through the web archive :Man whatever game won 2020's GOTY must have had an easy time breaking records with all those new GOTY awards coming out of the woodwork specifically for that year and then disappearing the next...
But just to make sure that this is all above bar, you got a source on those numbers?