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What could Sony do to win back the mob?
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JORMBO
Darkness no more
The mob is mad about discs, so bring back discs and the problem is fixed.
As a disc fan who can look at the situtation realistically though... do nothing. 90% of the people will come back. Even if none of them come back they will still make more money off digital sales after killing disc production and the second hand market.
As a disc fan who can look at the situtation realistically though... do nothing. 90% of the people will come back. Even if none of them come back they will still make more money off digital sales after killing disc production and the second hand market.
Topher
Identifies as young
Make PS6 digital but continue to support discs on PS5 while cross gen exists. Pretty simple compromise, imo
EverydayBeast
ChatShitGPT Alpha 0.001
The problem with Sony is it should be cooking uncharted 5, a beautiful game, start a new exclusive shooter franchise like what people loved on ps3 that gets their adrenaline up, Ratchet and Clank why are they only 1 game in?! We're supposed to being playing dramatic games!
HYDE
Member
This.
Garnox
Member
Paulistano
Member
Leave California, and undo everything they done.
Trogdor1123
Member
Absolute nothing. In two years everyone will have forgotten and moved on.
It suck's but it is true. Where else are they going to go?
It suck's but it is true. Where else are they going to go?
Zacfoldor
Gold Member
There are 172,000 members on GAF. This is roughly 0.2% of the PS5 install base.
Let's just assume - for the sake of this conversation - that every single GAF member loves PlayStation and physical games. Let's also assume every single GAF user will leave PlayStation for PC/whatever else. It is 0.2% of their install base. Even if the average GAF user spends 5 times as much on games, you guys would make 1% of their business. Probably not even that, given the lower margins. They really do not care.
It's this noisy tiny minority on GAF/era/Twitter that might do some damage to the brand, but will do very little to their market dominance or market share, considering Xbox is dead (and I bet it will be digital too).
It's very different times now, we are not in 2013 with Xbox One.
In this world there are leaders and there are followers.
There are trendsetters and there are casuals.
This is a world of ubiquity. We control the behaviors of those in the zeitgeist because we created it and continue to very intentionally shape it.
Sony didn't create the zeitgeist. Their first party software position is the weakest it has ever been and we can argue with or without good faith to sabotage what little there is left. They should give up now and agree to continue to produce physical games and disc drives. In doing so they will retain their position of power atop the industry. If they don't and you finally see how it goes for Playstation, I wonder if you will experience a revelation. This hubris could be the downfall of Playstation but I don't want that. We want them to continue to do well, so they need to listen to their fans.
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kungfuian
Member
It's not rocket surgery. Why abandon discs and piss off your customers when they can have their cake and eat it to. Turn discs into a premium boutique product and produce them in limited runs at a mark up. Collectors get what they want and so does Sony. All disc versions of games are treated like vinyl and become special edition collectors items, maybe they come with a $20 mark up and a steel case, something like that. The disc drive player is already sold separately or at a mark up now so they just release less physical and charge more for it.
begotten
Member
This is one of the big problems at the moment. They have announced ending physical next generation because announcing it alongside the PS6 would have been even more disastrous.
BUT they haven't said anything or announced any changes going forward.
The thing I want, and what they have to do really is overhaul the PSN and the User Experience if you're going all digital. Also fire Herman Hulst.
BUT they haven't said anything or announced any changes going forward.
The thing I want, and what they have to do really is overhaul the PSN and the User Experience if you're going all digital. Also fire Herman Hulst.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
Fire Herman Hulst, Neil Druckmann.
Beg Amy Hennig to come back to ND.
Change their editorial line back to when Sony studios were synonymous with quality.
Beg Amy Hennig to come back to ND.
Change their editorial line back to when Sony studios were synonymous with quality.
kaizenkko
My predictions age like milk
What really makes me think nothing will change is that nobody is even proposing a boycott of GTA VI. In fact, even the people complaining about Sony's decision seem to have accepted it fairly well (including myself).
Sony's decision and GTA VI skipping a disc version are intrinsically linked, and I'm sure Sony and Rockstar have been discussing this behind the scenes for a long time. Yet almost everyone is willing to accept GTA VI, and the game is going to sell like crazy.
If people truly wanted to push back against the industry's direction, GTA VI would be receiving the same level of criticism as Sony. But it won't, not even close. And that's why we lose.
Sony's decision and GTA VI skipping a disc version are intrinsically linked, and I'm sure Sony and Rockstar have been discussing this behind the scenes for a long time. Yet almost everyone is willing to accept GTA VI, and the game is going to sell like crazy.
If people truly wanted to push back against the industry's direction, GTA VI would be receiving the same level of criticism as Sony. But it won't, not even close. And that's why we lose.
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HumongousChungus80
Neo Member
Fire ALL the execs responsible for this decision making plus lower tier employees involved
VitoNotVito
Member
It's very sweet and cute of you to think GAF are "trendsetters".
In this world there are leaders and there are followers.
There are trendsetters and there are casuals.
This is a world of ubiquity. We control the behaviors of those in the zeitgeist because we created it and continue to very intentionally shape it.
Sony didn't create the zeitgeist. Their first party software position is the weakest it has ever been and we can argue with or without good faith to sabotage what little there is left. They should give up now and agree to continue to produce physical games and disc drives. In doing so they will retain their position of power atop the industry. If they don't and you finally see how it goes for Playstation, I wonder if you will experience a revelation. This hubris could be the downfall of Playstation but I don't want that. We want them to continue to do well, so they need to listen to their fans.
In fact, news like that indicate that people really do not care much about physical games:
New Black Ops Ports Are Officially First And Second On PlayStation Charts
Not even GTA 6 pre-orders were enough to stop them.
www.thegamer.com
Fahdis
Gold Member
Stop it bro, making too much logical sense will have a "mob" come after you instead.
dgrdsv
Member
Depends on the price.
If there will be a healthy reseller margin in their bulk prices then these keys can end up competing with their store pricing.
See Steam keys.
kaizenkko
My predictions age like milk
Well, Sony said they'll continue selling games physically through boxes with a code. In Brazil, retailers like Amazon are selling GTA VI at around 20% off.
kaizenkko
My predictions age like milk
I said this in another post, and I'll say it again: GTA VI is the reason this campaign isn't succeeding. People have already accepted GTA VI launching without a disc, and I think that will set the trend going forward.
The fact that none of these Twitter influencers are pushing back against GTA VI only proves my point. And when the next major game from another publisher launches without a disc, people will just accept that too.
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Dorago
Member
They don't need to win back anyone. GTAVI is going to have 30,000,000 players day one. It will probably end up being a train wreck in many respects with a pathetic storyline, shallow mission, and limited replay value. That won't matter when they make $3 billion in one day. The real harm will come when they try to destroy the GTAV custom server scene (ESA has declared these illegal and piracy) and get everyone on the VI plantation. The Payday 3 situation will pale in comparison.
hououinkyouma00
Member
People are gonna hate this post but this post is 100% correct. Like with everything the loud minority overshadows the quiet majority. This isn't including the people that aren't PlayStation customers in the first place but still complain because they want to jump in or just don't like the company (seen on this very forum).
Sony have the numbers, and they have decided that it's worth the loss.
hououinkyouma00
Member
2023*
Sony and the digital missionaries lie like they're the government.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
- stop chasing gaas
- not cancel physical games
- stop chasing power and release cheaper systems
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Personally I love the drama, so I can only hope that Sony continue to annoy more people.
Maybe they could announce varying discounts on digital games depending on your pronoun.
I feel you!
Its so funny how angry some people are getting over this. As if Sony cares about what any of us thinks. Pro or anti-digital alike.
Its basically a historic fact at this point that these are the end times for physical media.
tylrdiablos
Member
I can understand why Sony want people to switch to digital only. I think it's stupid and border-line insulting but I can see their angle.
Saying that: digital games should always be a fair bit cheaper than physical.
Nintendo did it recently with Star Fox. The physical edition was £50 and the digital was £41.99.
There is absolutely zero reason Sony can't do the above. Well, you know, other than greed... so I guess we're just shouting into the void.
Saying that: digital games should always be a fair bit cheaper than physical.
Nintendo did it recently with Star Fox. The physical edition was £50 and the digital was £41.99.
There is absolutely zero reason Sony can't do the above. Well, you know, other than greed... so I guess we're just shouting into the void.
r4vio981
Member
Really not much they could do at this point to gain my favor again. They've made so many horrible decision this gen. I can't even recognize this company any more. I also don't need this to be a social media movement to "justify" my opinion. I don't care what other people do with their money, but I'm not going to go along with what Sony wants. Been buying physical systems since the NES. Not about to just be OK with them getting rid of that.
ReBurn
Gold Member
If those were the games that make Sony the most money right now things may be different, but they aren't.
Sony and the digital missionaries lie like they're the government.
DryvBy
Member
That's not what I suggested or said. But the argument digital dominates over physical makes people sound stupid. I'd says it's game dependant.
Solarstrike
Gold Member
The Last of Us: Factions. On disc.
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Artistic
Member
That's a lot to request from Sony.
reezoo
Member
Since due to diminishing returns for Graphics, Sony knows remakes/ remasters won't deliver much, hence to create full control on the library.
Sony and the digital missionaries lie like they're the government.
consoul
Member
If they took only a nominal fee, the model just wouldn't work.
If you could buy a (new or used) digital game license and resell it to get back almost what you paid for it, then the publishers and platform wouldn't make any money. They'd just lose money.
50% sounds like a lot, but consider the margins Gamestop or other bricks and mortar used game stores are making.
The gap between what they pay for used games and what they resell them for is significant.
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Generic
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What quality singleplayer experiences?
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