Derktron
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At this point, isn't it about whoever can make the most consoles available to be purchased wins, regardless of games?
At this point, isn't it about whoever can make the most consoles available to be purchased wins, regardless of games?
Who the hell cares about HW sales when you make exactly 0 dollars off of console sales? In the past manufacturers even lost money on every console sold.
The goal is to push as much software as possible. That's why MS and Sony put their games on PC - and why Gaf members don't run multi billion corporations.
Doubt it - on the one hand you'll have Sony giving software numbers, hardware numbers and annual profits and revenue, and on the other you'll have Microsoft giving the number of users, GamePass subs, and revenue figures.This is going to be a really rough generation for some folks.
I already mentioned it in the post you quoted. It's right there how player count can differ.so how do you play a game that isn't out except for ultimate edition, not even disc based games out at that point
sure if you’re measure of winning exists in a world where gamepass doesn’t exist…or day and date releases on PC.The winner of holiday sales will be the manufacturer who can get the most consoles in the stores.
MS or Sony could both have no new games releasing for six months...if they can get units on shelves, they will sell.
Brother, its impossible for 3m players to have siblings that play those games. You are stretching your points at this point.I already mentioned it in the post you quoted. It's right there how player count can differ.
Somebody brought up a good example, GT Sport.
How do you play GTSport other than buying? Same thing siblings/family members, game sharing/showing. Back in 2019 its player count was 5.5M but its sales were at ~3.3M two months prior to the player count figure. It certainly didn't sell 2M copies in 2 months especially past its launch peak so clearly sales don't match player count.
For other games this is even greater and it breaks it down here:
Gran Turismo Sport Has Sold an Estimated 8 Million Copies
A recent report from a hedge fund has suggested a new sales figure for Polyphony Digital's Gran Turismo Sport. It's a big one too, with the copy total coming in at an estimated 8 million. That headline figure comes about midway through a massive 102-page document called "A Stronger Sony". In it,www.gtplanet.net
It's impossible for 3M players to have siblings? What does this even mean?Brother, its impossible for 3m players to have siblings that play those games. You are stretching your points at this point.
There is something called late adopters. These players usually wait for discount, or whether the game is good or not.
The website you listed forgot that the game was on psnow, which increases the player count.
Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End
on psnow
God of War
We know it sold 20m copies.
Horizon Zero Dawn
Game was on discount.
This website leaves the ps+ discount, and sales the game had. It also skips the physical game sales. These also pumps up the player base.
I am saying, your reach of those 3m players having other people playing their games is impossible to be even close to 1m.It's impossible for 3M players to have siblings? What does this even mean?
What even are you trying to say?
Discounts on sold copies mean that player counts don't match sales? What have PS+ discounts got to do with this?
Gt sport isn't on PS now. Has never been as far as I know but certainly not in 2018 where the figures are from anyway. Here and here.
Why is it so difficult for you to just accept player count is historically above actual sales and doesn’t match it? Why do you go to such silly lengths arguing with stupid irrelevant points?
Gts failed. Motorsport probably did too. They're both niche games. Very few ppl actually care about sim racers. They're not blockbuster successes like forza horizon.Your still that stupid one around here thats compares GTS with Horizon.
So you admit that Motorsport failed? In 2019, GTS sold 8 million copies, and were now in 2021 and sold already way more then that.
The new narrative since Horizon is "how many players". I can't wait when the player counts drops and you guys start hyping about sales again. The fact suddenly "player count" is so important for you guys says enough about the low sales are for these games.
Sony gave number of players for gts and drive club. So I guess they bombed? Or why didn't Sony give sales numbers?Doubt it - on the one hand you'll have Sony giving software numbers, hardware numbers and annual profits and revenue, and on the other you'll have Microsoft giving the number of users, GamePass subs, and revenue figures.
Comparisons will be all but impossible. But context will provide the reasoning for the differing approaches.
Psych the Movie 3 is coming out this month, apparently, (18th if I remember correctly). Looking forward to it.I miss these dumb shows. Since I started my college, it was hard to watch the tv.
God of War
This is from the article you posted. As of now, we know the game sold 20m. Not counting those people who played it on psnow, or Ps+. Sales in may 2019 was around 10m. in 2 years, the game sold 10m. That should closely match That player base count. The sale report usually happens around the quarter profit. Unless the numbers are big, you wont see the numbers for a while.
- Estimated Sales Figure: 12 million (official figure: >10 million in May 2019)
- Estimated Player Base: 15.9 million
The discount part helps sell the game faster. I got god of war for 10$, and spiderman full dlc, for 20$. Before sales, both were at 20$, and 40$.
The US-forum crowning their king is funny. Still having a hard time l see. hilarious
Its kind of nuts that people (myself included) spend so much time trying to crunch numbers to figure out what gaming device is selling what. It’s really like kind of lame to anyone on the outside looking in
Still following me around, kinda pathetic really. Still talking about GT Sport and DriveClub in an Xbox thread because you're upset because you weren't aware of some the 'extras' being sold in FH5 which I suggested were a waste of time?Sony gave number of players for gts and drive club. So I guess they bombed? Or why didn't Sony give sales numbers?
I give up. There is no point in convincing you anything. Keep believing what you want. I am out of this convo.Again you're not making sense. The time of the estimated figures are aligned. Therefore if you are using the 20M sold as of now you would need player count figures for now which would be higher than the 16M players count reported in 2019.
3M people don't need siblings and not every household has 2 people. I'm showing you with actual numbers how playerbase doesn't match sales figures but is historically higher than it. Does this mean you think GT sport sold 2M copies in 2 months in 2018, in summer no less too? I just want to know if you think player counts match sales figures still.
I already mentioned it in the post you quoted. It's right there how player count can differ.
Somebody brought up a good example, GT Sport.
How do you play GTSport other than buying? Same thing siblings/family members, game sharing/showing. Back in 2018 its player count was 5.5M but its sales were at ~3.3M two months prior to the player count figure. It certainly didn't sell 2M copies in 2 months especially past its launch peak so clearly sales don't match player count.
For other games this is even greater and it breaks it down here:
Gran Turismo Sport Has Sold an Estimated 8 Million Copies
A recent report from a hedge fund has suggested a new sales figure for Polyphony Digital's Gran Turismo Sport. It's a big one too, with the copy total coming in at an estimated 8 million. That headline figure comes about midway through a massive 102-page document called "A Stronger Sony". In it,www.gtplanet.net
Lame.Xbox Series S proves they care about hardware sales.
Then they care about hardware sales.Lame.
It’s a Trojan horse for Game Pass, what really counts for MS. They didn’t even bother with a disk drive.
Bye.
Gts failed. Motorsport probably did too. They're both niche games. Very few ppl actually care about sim racers. They're not blockbuster successes like forza horizon.
Gts has not sold 8m copies. Lol. Don't make shit up. They had 9m PLAYERS. Sony never released official sales numbers after it got to 3m. It likely didn't hit their expectations and all of a sudden it was about players. Gts bombed. It could be found for $30 or less a month after release. That tells you everything you need to know.
And player count must be important to Sony too since they were claiming 9m players for Gts. Lol!
Not sure if you're aware, but that slide is not from Sony. It also says "Source: VGChartz", which made me chuckle a bit tbh.
By the time Sony released this, GTS already had sold 8 million. The fact that you call "niche" to a series that sold a total of +80 million copies just shows how detached from reality you are. Gran Turismo has always been a very strong seller.
Yeah they care so much that they are giving the option to Xbox One users to play every next gen game through the cloud so that they never need to buy another console again.Then they care about hardware sales.
Yeah they care so much that they are giving the option to Xbox One users to play every next gen game through the cloud so that they never need to buy another console again.
Once again shows what really counts for them —> Gamepass subs.
They even said their real competition is Google & Amazon. Please send me a link to Amazon or Google’s console please.
But hey, please educate me on how MS have the wrong understanding of their own strategy. I’m all ears.
Thank you, you’ve proved my point.You're making zero sense.
How do you increase Game Pass subscriptions?
Put it on as many platforms as possible, including your own.
How do you make it easier for people to subscribe to your service? Making the entry as cheap as possible aka xcloud and Xbox Series S. This doesn't mean they're wrong for their understanding, it's the lack of yours.
You proved mine. You said they didn't care. You just admitted that they do. Thanks.Thank you, you’ve proved my point.
Yeah they care so much that they are giving the option to Xbox One users to play every next gen game through the cloud so that they never need to buy another console again.
Once again shows what really counts for them —> Gamepass subs.
They even said their real competition is Google & Amazon. Please send me a link to Amazon or Google’s console please.
But hey, please educate me on how MS have the wrong understanding of their own strategy. I’m all ears.
on the one hand you'll have Sony giving software numbers, hardware numbers and annual profits and revenue
The funny thing is, not a cent will end up in your pocket...
Sure if it makes you feel better.You proved mine. You said they didn't care. You just admitted that they do. Thanks.
You thought wrong.Oh damn, really? I thought I would get a 15% cut.
You thought wrong.
Who cares. Xbox has Halo Infinite. Mic fucking drop.
Sure if it makes you feel better.
Who cares. Xbox has Halo Infinite. Mic fucking drop.
Ask any video game sales analysis and try to convince them that MS doesn't care about HW sales.
You're going to lose that argument every single time.
The diference is more 3rd party studios will want to make games for a sucessfull console. Thers a reason Switch has a very strong 3rd party support from japanese studios in japan.Microsoft. The first ever company that doesn't want to sell its own product. Whether they sell 1 unit or 100m units. What's the difference?
An Xbox Series S console where games are forced to buy games digitally, where Microsoft makes money from every single third-party game sold and Xbox Live subscriptions.Microsoft. The first ever company that doesn't want to sell its own product. Whether they sell 1 unit or 100m units. What's the difference?
Their main focus today is Gamepass.Microsoft. The first ever company that doesn't want to sell its own product. Whether they sell 1 unit or 100m units. What's the difference?
Keep fighting your imaginary war for your favourite multi billion dollar company, I guess. Your parents are surely very proud of you.You should make a thread about and inform others. I'm sure they are in desperate need of this valuable information.
Keep fighting your imaginary war for your favourite multi billion dollar company, I guess. Your parents are surely very proud of you.
They are selling a product. It's called Gamepass.Microsoft. The first ever company that doesn't want to sell its own product. Whether they sell 1 unit or 100m units. What's the difference?
I was talking to Hezekiah but you somehow quoted me and tried sarcastically to downplay the point that I was making so what do you think?Are you talking to me or yourself? Oh and my parents ain't here anymore so I'm not too fussed on what they think, if they even think at all.
Who cares. Xbox has Halo Infinite. Mic fucking drop.