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Tidal, lossless Spotify competitor launches

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entremet

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It's twice the price of Spotify, Rdio and others but the first to offer CD quality bitrates via FLAC.

They even have a bitrate test so you can test your best cans or speakers.

http://test.tidalhifi.com

Great for fans of lossless formats but it comes at a premium price of 20 bucks per month.

Here's a review:
http://toolsandtoys.net/reviews/tidal-high-fidelity-music-streaming/

Excerpt:

I mostly used a pair of Ultimate Ear 11 Pro custom in-ear monitors to listen to music with. But I also tried Tidal with a pair of $100 (open back) Grado SR 80e headphones, a pair of $200 earbuds from Normal, and of course, I used a pair of white Apple EarPods just to see a difference. (Spoiler, the white EarPods don’t provide a quality listening experience.)

For the most part, I struggled to tell a difference between 320 kbps and 1141 kbps while using the Normals and the SR 80e headphones. There were definitely moments where the difference was obvious, but switching between the two qualities wasn’t like unlocking two different doors. Both headphones have wonderful sound, but both bitrates were more than sufficient for quality sound. Using the $1,000+ in-ear monitors that were custom molded to my ears, however, was a different story. I could definitely tell a difference, and felt like I was hearing little bits of music I had only previously heard while being in a recording studio.
 
1141? I thought cd stereo flac files would be in the 600-800kbps range from what I see in my foobar info tab. Heck you might as well use the full 1411kbps wav file.
 

Razorback

Member
Hmm, I don't know if it makes business sense to let people do that test.

I can't tell the difference at all. I appreciate the transparency on their part though.
 

Meier

Member
Does it allow last.fm scrobbling? Non starter without it IMO. The FAQ only indicates they get music info from last.fm and Discogs.com, but I didn't see any other instance of it mentioned.
 

mackattk

Member
I got 4/5, some songs I can barely tell a difference while critical listening, and without listening to them side by side I would never know.

I am just using a Fiio dac and AiAiAi TMA-1 headphones.
 
Hmm, I don't know if it makes business sense to let people do that test.

I can't tell the difference at all. I appreciate the transparency on their part though.

I think it's good...for consumers and the company. It should increase customer satisfaction among those who subscribe, as they know they're buying into a difference that they can hear, no debates or discussions. They won't have customers that aren't sure, because those people would have been filtered out already. And that would increase their overall retention rates, I would think.

Hell, it might even convince a few people to upgrade their setups to find out exactly what they're missing.
 
Got 2 out of 5, tried to listen differences in what instruments I could hear and how good things sounded, but not in single on I could tell for sure which was which version. Quess work 100% from me, will try tomorrow again with more volume. Soundsystem is HDMI from latop to Denon x4000 and Tannoy mercury F2 speakers. I think It should be possible to tell difference with this setup. THOUGH I have to admit I had broken tweeter on one of my speakers and I dont even know how long it has been broken, might be something wrong with my ears. :)
 

mackattk

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Got 2 out of 5, tried to listen differences in what instruments I could hear and how good things sounded, but not in single on I could tell for sure which was which version. Quess work 100% from me, will try tomorrow again with more volume. Soundsystem is HDMI from latop to Denon x4000 and Tannoy mercury F2 speakers. I think It should be possible to tell difference with this setup. THOUGH I have to admit I had broken tweeter on one of my speakers and I dont even know how long it has been broken, might be something wrong with my ears. :)

The highs are the only thing I can tell a difference on. It sounded a little bit fuller, especially on the last track. But like I said in a previous post, if I wasn't A-B comparing them and listening closely I would never know what I was missing.
 

Google

Member
Got 4/5 and signed up for a trial. I like their app - it looks and feels a bit like a music magazine/website in the vein of Pitchfork.

So good so far.
 

Enco

Member
4/5

I have Sennheiser HD518 headphones. Some I feel the difference was clear in. Especially the first one.

That being said, no way I'm paying £20 a month. These guys are crazy.
 

CzarTim

Member
Was able to get 5/5 on the test. Will definately use the free trial, but there is zero way I am paying $20 a month, no matter how good it is. Spotify works just fine at half the price.
 

MercuryLS

Banned
You want apple to be the cheapest streaming service on the market?

OK THEN.

There was a rumour that Apple was pushing for $5 monthly streaming and pitching it to labels saying they'll make up the revenue drop off in volume. Lets see if that happens, I don't care who does it but I would like to pay less than $10 a month for music streaming (as I prefer to buy albums for the most part).
 

CzarTim

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Does it allow last.fm scrobbling? Non starter without it IMO. The FAQ only indicates they get music info from last.fm and Discogs.com, but I didn't see any other instance of it mentioned.

It does, in preferences like Spotify.
 
Sennheiser HD 380 Pros. I feel like I could hear a difference, and I got 4/5 correct, but it's so marginal with my headphones that it isn't worth the price upgrade in my opinion. There's just barely more range, and the higher fidelity tickled my inner ear a little more.
 

Jzero

Member
I have a decent set up and only got 2/5 lol.
Oh well that's what happens when you're nearly deaf in one ear.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I can't get on board with this until Taylor Swift tells me what to do.
 

kiun

Member
Thanks. Signed up for a 2 weeks trial, not sure if I will keep this since I'm already paying for Spotify Sonos support .
 
1/5. I just picked A for everything because I couldn't hear a bit of difference on my DT 880s. I just use my PC's motherboard as my sound device. Maybe it actually matters with a high-quality sound card and a receiver or something.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
Probability you'll get x/5 right by blind guessing in an A/B test:
5/5: 3%
4/5: 15%
3/5: 31%
2/5: 31%
1/5: 15%
0/5: 3%

Probability you'll get at least 3 right by blind guessing in an A/B test: 50%
Probability you'll get between 2 and 4 right by blind guessing: 77%

What you actually want is a test of 10 samples, and it'll be significant at p<0.05 if you get 8, 9, or 10 right.
 

Aprico

Neo Member
3/5, meh. I'm still looking for a subscription service for like $5 a month. Hopefully Apple makes that happen in 2015.

I pay $5 for Spotify with a student discount. All you really need to get it is a student email, iirc I didn't have to verify anything.
 
yes i do have shitty headphones on right now thanks for noticing tidal

Probability you'll get x/5 right by blind guessing in an A/B test:
5/5: 3%
4/5: 15%
3/5: 31%
2/5: 31%
1/5: 15%
0/5: 3%

Probability you'll get at least 3 right by blind guessing in an A/B test: 50%
Probability you'll get between 2 and 4 right by blind guessing: 77%

What you actually want is a test of 10 samples, and it'll be significant at p<0.05 if you get 8, 9, or 10 right.
im sure the tidal people are writing up their scientific proposals as we speak for this study
 

terrene

Banned
This is awesome. There are many instances of bad encodes on Google Play and Spotify both. Off the top of my head, the Deluxe version of Nirvana's Nevermind on Google Play sounds terrible and watery. With lossless audio files being quite streamable -- about the cost of a low-def YouTube video of the same length -- there's no reason to have such lossy encoding at all. Plus at $20 a month, musician payouts will be significantly better.

Must investigate more, it COULD lose on the features -- if there's no social functionality, no cloud storage for your uploads, and a crappy library, then it's probably a bit early.

I already pay $20 a month in music service fees since I have both Google Music All Access and Spotify.
 

dhlt25

Member
got 3/5 using my office computer crappy built in sound card with my old ultimate ears super fi 5. Pretty sure I can make out the difference if I use my home set-up. however it's really miniscule tho, not worth the double price
 

rtcn63

Member
Unless Spotify's bitrate was so low that it degraded the sound quality (don't use it, no idea), you likely won't notice a difference even with discerning equipment. At least not enough to take the hit in price/bandwidth.

If Tidal uses better masters than Spotify, than maybe. I'm guessing not though.
 

Josh7289

Member
If 44.1 KHz 16-bit FLAC converted from source (not ripped from CD) ever becomes the digital music store standard, I would be pleased.
 

old

Member
I've got some nice cans and unlimited mobile data, so I'm interested. How's the library selection?
 

Google

Member
I've got some nice cans and unlimited mobile data, so I'm interested. How's the library selection?

Seems fine. Had some underground early 00's English punk/rock that is always my barrier for catalogues.

Do a trial and see.
 
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