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The PS5 is making me hate PC Gaming (techradar article)
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kraspkibble
Permabanned.
thanks to PC this is the first time i've not wanted a console at the start of a new gen. built my first one in 2015.
i can play Xbox games on my PC. i'll probably get a PS5 in 2-3 years when there is a price cut/hardware revision and there is more than 1 game i want to play.
i can play Xbox games on my PC. i'll probably get a PS5 in 2-3 years when there is a price cut/hardware revision and there is more than 1 game i want to play.
Soulblighter31
Banned
Did i hurt your sony worshiping heart there ? Relax, sony will keep making games that play themselves and have more cutscenes than gameplay. You're safe there.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Ironically, your always spaming emoji's on my posts, so I'm pretty sure your do care.god jobi almost cared.
Quite flattering that anything I post gets your triggered. Which is why that custom tag of yours is so worth it
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
3080 for 850? That's cheap af now. Should buy it and sell for 1000. That's min I've seen these now. I've got mine on release for 700 on nvidia site and I still think it was too much for a gpu.
As you said there is not much new stuff to even show off on that gpu aside from my older fav games that now run 4k60. 2077 I had to cap to 30fps to play Max settings... Such a show off for 2kusd pc...
Tbh, ps5 also don't have much but at least there is astro bot and demon's souls to give me that wow effect and amaze me. With 3080 I just put it inside pc and I am like "ok then... That's a new gpu... Yeeep*.
What helps ps5 is backwards compatibility. To be honest, I still find ps4 exclusive looking better and wowing me more than most stuff on 3080...
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I finished Alyx 2 times. It's a tiny short game but barely any combat and gameplay really.
It still was the best experience of my gaming life of course probably right after seeing waterfall in unreal in 1997. But after the wow factor, the game there is extremely limited and slow with repeating puzzles, minimum combat and no melee. I would rather reply hl2 now even if I still would rate Alyx 10. Just w thought.
Self
Member
PC games or PC focused games have always been the worst offenders of quality games.
Bugs, glitches and crashes are good tradition within the PC space, but have slowly sipped into console space as well. All thanks to PC mentality.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
But PC's are much more stable than consoles. How does that even make sense?
hemo memo
Gold Member
True. I guess they (CDPR) thought console gamers are okay with this buggy mess because just because the quality standards on PC are very low.
Low Moral Fibre
Member
The games I play the most either never come to console or, if they do, tend to perform horribly or be really unwieldy to play so I’ll always need a PC.
I know there is less vfm but I don’t mind paying a load more for PC parts as I like building and tweaking them too. The current GPU prices, however, are insane and mean I’ll happily sit on what I’ve got and play everything but strategy games on console for a while.
I never had much money as a kid so I saved up for anything I wanted and now that I do I allow myself to go wild with money to a point so I never considered PC parts expensive as I got so much enjoyment back but I’m not paying £900-£1k for what isn’t even the top end GPU.
I know there is less vfm but I don’t mind paying a load more for PC parts as I like building and tweaking them too. The current GPU prices, however, are insane and mean I’ll happily sit on what I’ve got and play everything but strategy games on console for a while.
I never had much money as a kid so I saved up for anything I wanted and now that I do I allow myself to go wild with money to a point so I never considered PC parts expensive as I got so much enjoyment back but I’m not paying £900-£1k for what isn’t even the top end GPU.
Fredrik
Member
That’s surprisingly short-sighed for a PC gamer. I think you’ll be more than happy with that 3080 going forward, devs have only just started tapping into ray-tracing techs, things will evolve rapidly and PC gaming will lead this new era. You’ll also get a big quality boost on PC from the Xbox-PC synergy too within a year or two, MS will try the hardest to impress everyone with their 1st party games on Series X, and things will look and run even better on your 3080.
GaviotaGrande
Banned
I hooked my PS5 a couple of days ago and while it's an amazing device for the price (minus the looks, Jesus Christ), I will never ever buy a multi plat game for it because I know I will have a better gaming experience on PC.GaviotaGrande GET ITT™!
I'll post more in PS5 |OT|
Give me that GT7, now.
Gloomnivore
Member
I disable crossplay when playing COD on PS5. You made your bed, go lie in it.
Krisprolls
Banned
I feel exactly the same. I stopped upgrading my pc after the 1070. It felt like a bottomless pit where you have to throw money constantly because nothing is ever optimized properly for your machine. And that's when it even works and you don't spend hours tinkering with the parameters.
Nobody cares about optimizing for PC so your new shiny PC gets obsolete after 2 years. And you can't even run Sony exclusives, which mean you can't run most of the highest budget and best games (most games of the year are console exclusives these days).
It's just a waste of money.
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Darius87
Member
ironically that's what you were doing to me in the first place so now you can only blame yourself.Ironically, your always spaming emoji's on my posts, so I'm pretty sure your do care.
Quite flattering that anything I post gets your triggered. Which is why that custom tag of yours is so worth it
Fredrik
Member
I still have my 1080ti which is closing in on 4 years now, Horizon Zero Dawn runs at average 80+ fps and max 150fps on Ultimate quality.
The newly released Cyberpunk 2077 is played above 60fps at Ultra.
I could upgrade, but I don’t have to.
My personal experience having never had a decent gaming PC, just workhorses which could play older titles if I was lucky:
- last year, around June / July, think I should replace my old ass PC which I just browse and watch YT on and play old graphically undemanding stuff on, wouldn't it be nice to have something which can play the incoming MS Flight Sim
- have highly technically competent friends who know about this stuff
- get told to wait till Nvidia upgrade their shit, this is apparently important and it's only a few months away
- fine, wait, I'll be using it for years anyway right?
- Nvidia announcement, wow this all looks cool lets get going!
- fuck you no stock
- read forums about early adopter issues with nvida 30xx's which I don't understand and wouldn't have a clue about if they happened to me
- fuck you no stock unless you want to be skinned alive by a scalper
It's been months now and I'm still using my old ass pc and I've given up on my fantasy of playing MS flight sim, might buy an Xbox to play it or stream it from "teh cloud". Cannot be fucked with all the bullshit around hw upgrade cycles, no to low stock, the complexity of troubleshooting and optimisation life is way too short for all this if you don't have a fetish for it in the first place.
- last year, around June / July, think I should replace my old ass PC which I just browse and watch YT on and play old graphically undemanding stuff on, wouldn't it be nice to have something which can play the incoming MS Flight Sim
- have highly technically competent friends who know about this stuff
- get told to wait till Nvidia upgrade their shit, this is apparently important and it's only a few months away
- fine, wait, I'll be using it for years anyway right?
- Nvidia announcement, wow this all looks cool lets get going!
- fuck you no stock
- read forums about early adopter issues with nvida 30xx's which I don't understand and wouldn't have a clue about if they happened to me
- fuck you no stock unless you want to be skinned alive by a scalper
It's been months now and I'm still using my old ass pc and I've given up on my fantasy of playing MS flight sim, might buy an Xbox to play it or stream it from "teh cloud". Cannot be fucked with all the bullshit around hw upgrade cycles, no to low stock, the complexity of troubleshooting and optimisation life is way too short for all this if you don't have a fetish for it in the first place.
Bl@de
Member
Fredrik
Member
Haha that gifYep. 1080 Ti since 2017 and it is still up there. And 11GB of nice VRAM.
But yeah it’s surprisingly competent. I thought I would have to upgrade to play Cyberpunk but it’s doing fine, and with gsync I don’t even notice any stutter.
Hudo
Member
There's no point in hating platforms because there's no point in thinking "I am playing on X, therefore I can't play on Y." You don't need to have a "monogamous relationship" with a company; you are free to play on whatever you like. If you fancy playing platformers on Switch, cool. If you fancy playing action games on PS5, cool. If you fancy playing your global strategy games on PC, cool. I mean, you wouldn't refrain from playing other FPS games because you're playing Call of Duty, right? So I'm not sure why the author needs to "switch out" anything.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Fanboy mentality.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
My oldest kid played and finished cyberpunk on a GTX 1060. Mainly medium settings and a locked 30fps. Since the processor isn't total trash he could play high NPC level and it looks and played better then Xbox one x or PS4 pro.
adamosmaki
Member
you should see ps5 prices in EU. 800euros assuming you can find one. So everything is over priced now.
I've seen the PS5 restocked a few times now and people getting them at the rrp of £449, meanwhile I'm still here waiting for any of these stock alert e-mails to pop up so I can attempt to buy a new GPU.
Guilty_AI
Member
yup, $770 (4199 brl) for the no disc version and $860 (4699 brl) for the standard here in Brasil, and thats just the official price, which is out of stock pretty much everywhere.
To buy it right now you'll be spending almost $1300 from what i assume are scalpers.
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pochepiller2
Member
Pc with a rtx3080 on a 4k tv with a controller is the way. If you play on a 1080p monitor you can buy a 2017 pc and be alright for the next year or more.
Soulblighter31
Banned
The highest budget games are 3rd party. Even from sony, outside of naughty dog and santa monica none of the other games have outlandish budgets. Youre gonna budget the games based on predicted revenue. Youre not gonna get out of a single platform the money you get from 4 different platforms. Thats why the biggest budgets are from 3rd party games, because the potential for revenue is 4 times bigger. Looking at Horizon for example, that game was made on the ultra cheap. Around 40 million dollars if i recall. Then you look at Shadow of the Tomb Raider which came out a year later and had a budget of 135 million dollars.
So you have an extra frame of reference how cheap Horizon was, Control was made as a low budget game for 30 million dollars. Not that far off from Horizon, and this budget is almost indie
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"every game I'm looking forward to in 2021 is currently a PS5-exclusive."
Yeah, maybe.
metareferential
Member
Ok, I guess?
I mean, it's not that a ps5 is such an expense, if you already buy a 3090.
I'm mostly interested in pc-only games and VR, so yeah: it really depends on what you want.
What's the point of these articles (rather than hits, of course)?
I mean, it's not that a ps5 is such an expense, if you already buy a 3090.
I'm mostly interested in pc-only games and VR, so yeah: it really depends on what you want.
What's the point of these articles (rather than hits, of course)?
killatopak
Member
Triggered a bunch of people.
I think that’s a job well done for the article.
I think that’s a job well done for the article.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You will have better multiplats on pc for sure. If it's a good port and if your hardware will be up to date. I also plan this but I hope 3080 will last for this gen. Oh and I will sooner pirate or buy on ps5 than epic store...
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Kadayi
Banned
Maybe kiss and make up?
1070Ti here and albeit I'd love to get my hands on a 3000 series Card. I'm kind of wanting the 3070/3080Ti cards to get announced for the extra RAM (and be available). But game-wise everything I own runs great in 1080P
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Knitted Knight
Banned
The PS5 continues to elicit strong feelings among communities with other preferred platforms. Can't stop talking about it. It has the "it" factor... At this point, Sony building new foundries for themselves would even make financial sense... Pump them babies out..... PS5 for you, and you, and you... and you.
To me you should always look at these things through the lens of Gaming. The conversation is about PC Gaming and Console Gaming, emphasis on gaming. Which is why all the talk about hardware specs is so silly... not to mention the fact that the overwhelming majority of PC gamers don't have, nor own a rig more capable than what the PS5 can do in gaming - so it's what it's. This idea that your average PC gamer is rolling with a 3070, 6800 (and all the accompanying parts)......... Ask them for them receipts and remember to set the alarm clock on that one . Just look at the Cyberpunk PC poll on Gaf or the Steam Hardware survey and you'll get an idea. The folks who paint themselves as the voices of the PC community, lauding 3k rigs, are a very tiny minority trying to overcompensate what can't be argued in games, with hardware talk. We know how it's - it's an easy goose chase against the uninitiated as they try to validate their platform of choice.
I do think that it's pretty telling about the state of the platforms, and the communities that support those respectively; that you have a dedicated subgroup of consistent loud port beggers in one community, while not on the other(s). I think it tells a lot about what types of games are creating peer-pressure and FOMO, what type of games are driving trends, and what type of games are consuming gamers mindshare and the news cycles. Thus the psychological behavior of port begging is merely a reaction to a "want", not wanting to be left out, ultimately, a sign of dissatisfaction of NOT having what you want, at the time that you want it, on your preferred platform. You don't subscribe to a platform on the virtues of your self-imposed patience - gamers are not buddha monks.
Thus we come full circle once again to the old proverbial saying: "Exclusives Matter". Not only do they matter but we also know that not all exclusives are created equal, there is a gap (quality, scope, popularity etc - in other words, mind the gap). And we all know it. Just like we know, exclusives are not just a cliche... exclusives are games. They're games that you can't experience outside specific platforms - and once again, gaming is about the games. When you look at the consensus GOTY's, and GOTY nominees for the last decade or so what you'll find is that those lists are packed with exclusive games, whether that be Nintendo exclusives, or PS exclusives. Since third-party multiplats can be enjoyed everywhere - no one wins browny pts on them. So it's the games that can't be enjoyed elsewhere the ones that truly set the platforms apart, and create the strong emotions between communities. Fact of the matter is, the PC platform hasn't had exclusive software that captures gamers mindshare and the news cycle in the same manner console exclusives have done recently and consistently. The golden age of strategy games and MMORPGs is over - something that set the PC platform apart once and had that "it" over consoles.
Here is what's driving the mindshare these days and the news cycle, outside your odd, out of nowhere hit and your multiplats.... God of War: Ragnarok, Zelda Breath of the Wild 2, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of US II, Metroid, Horizon Forbidden West etc... just like God of War before, BOTW, Uncharted 4 etc, etc. AAA blockbuster exclusives. And don't let yourself be fooled by folks who tell you they don't care about those types of games (walking simulators, kiddie games and all that babble). The proof is in the pudding. We all know how hyped PC gamers were/are for Cyberpunk on PC (pre-launch and post-launch) - not only did the talk reflect that but so did the sales. And that game is not even an exclusive. But we know what it's, a AAA blockbuster narrative-driven RPG with pretty graphics. PC folks clearly want what they don't have in quantity.... quality narrative driven experiences, of big scope, with pretty graphics to show off their rigs and validate those 1k, 2k, 3k investments. Lets cut the BS. You wouldn't see so much damage controlling around this flop if there wasn't strong emotional investments into the type of games CDPR makes.
So why is the PS community and the PC community often clashing on these sort of topics? The obvious - there is more demographic overlap between PS communities and hardcore PC communities relative to Nintendo. And Nintendo games can be easily emulated by PC (pirating yes, the not so secret secret). You couple that with the fact that the overwhelming majority of gamers game on a single platform (due to the enormous time investment that is gaming, as is financially) and you've an explosive mix of competition around who's getting treated like a first-class citizen and who is not. Since both Sony and Nintendo have been on a tear for a whole gen more or less when it comes to quality exclusive content, LOTs of gamers from other platforms are being left out of great gaming experiences on a consistent basis (and it clearly has a reaction). It shouldn't be hard to admit.
Am I surprised that thought-leaders in the PC community put out videos to cash-in on the need for reassurance of platform choice by PC folk? By putting out flawed hardware comparisons between PS5 and PC? Absolutely not. They understand their audience really well, they know what lures the sheep, and what keeps the sheep in the pen. Am I surprised to see those threads garner 20 pages of discussion on Gaf? Absolutely not. Am I surprised to see the OP/writer get attacked furiously by some? Absolutely not. We all know how it's, despite the fronting, and the appearances game.
It's not a level playing field, and it hasn't been for a long time when it comes to quality games. It's what it's.
To me you should always look at these things through the lens of Gaming. The conversation is about PC Gaming and Console Gaming, emphasis on gaming. Which is why all the talk about hardware specs is so silly... not to mention the fact that the overwhelming majority of PC gamers don't have, nor own a rig more capable than what the PS5 can do in gaming - so it's what it's. This idea that your average PC gamer is rolling with a 3070, 6800 (and all the accompanying parts)........
. Ask them for them receipts and remember to set the alarm clock on that one . Just look at the Cyberpunk PC poll on Gaf or the Steam Hardware survey and you'll get an idea. The folks who paint themselves as the voices of the PC community, lauding 3k rigs, are a very tiny minority trying to overcompensate what can't be argued in games, with hardware talk. We know how it's - it's an easy goose chase against the uninitiated as they try to validate their platform of choice.I do think that it's pretty telling about the state of the platforms, and the communities that support those respectively; that you have a dedicated subgroup of consistent loud port beggers in one community, while not on the other(s). I think it tells a lot about what types of games are creating peer-pressure and FOMO, what type of games are driving trends, and what type of games are consuming gamers mindshare and the news cycles. Thus the psychological behavior of port begging is merely a reaction to a "want", not wanting to be left out, ultimately, a sign of dissatisfaction of NOT having what you want, at the time that you want it, on your preferred platform. You don't subscribe to a platform on the virtues of your self-imposed patience - gamers are not buddha monks.
Thus we come full circle once again to the old proverbial saying: "Exclusives Matter". Not only do they matter but we also know that not all exclusives are created equal, there is a gap (quality, scope, popularity etc - in other words, mind the gap). And we all know it. Just like we know, exclusives are not just a cliche... exclusives are games. They're games that you can't experience outside specific platforms - and once again, gaming is about the games. When you look at the consensus GOTY's, and GOTY nominees for the last decade or so what you'll find is that those lists are packed with exclusive games, whether that be Nintendo exclusives, or PS exclusives. Since third-party multiplats can be enjoyed everywhere - no one wins browny pts on them. So it's the games that can't be enjoyed elsewhere the ones that truly set the platforms apart, and create the strong emotions between communities. Fact of the matter is, the PC platform hasn't had exclusive software that captures gamers mindshare and the news cycle in the same manner console exclusives have done recently and consistently. The golden age of strategy games and MMORPGs is over - something that set the PC platform apart once and had that "it" over consoles.
Here is what's driving the mindshare these days and the news cycle, outside your odd, out of nowhere hit and your multiplats.... God of War: Ragnarok, Zelda Breath of the Wild 2, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of US II, Metroid, Horizon Forbidden West etc... just like God of War before, BOTW, Uncharted 4 etc, etc. AAA blockbuster exclusives. And don't let yourself be fooled by folks who tell you they don't care about those types of games (walking simulators, kiddie games and all that babble). The proof is in the pudding. We all know how hyped PC gamers were/are for Cyberpunk on PC (pre-launch and post-launch) - not only did the talk reflect that but so did the sales. And that game is not even an exclusive. But we know what it's, a AAA blockbuster narrative-driven RPG with pretty graphics. PC folks clearly want what they don't have in quantity.... quality narrative driven experiences, of big scope, with pretty graphics to show off their rigs and validate those 1k, 2k, 3k investments. Lets cut the BS. You wouldn't see so much damage controlling around this flop if there wasn't strong emotional investments into the type of games CDPR makes.
So why is the PS community and the PC community often clashing on these sort of topics? The obvious - there is more demographic overlap between PS communities and hardcore PC communities relative to Nintendo. And Nintendo games can be easily emulated by PC (pirating yes, the not so secret secret). You couple that with the fact that the overwhelming majority of gamers game on a single platform (due to the enormous time investment that is gaming, as is financially) and you've an explosive mix of competition around who's getting treated like a first-class citizen and who is not. Since both Sony and Nintendo have been on a tear for a whole gen more or less when it comes to quality exclusive content, LOTs of gamers from other platforms are being left out of great gaming experiences on a consistent basis (and it clearly has a reaction). It shouldn't be hard to admit.
Am I surprised that thought-leaders in the PC community put out videos to cash-in on the need for reassurance of platform choice by PC folk? By putting out flawed hardware comparisons between PS5 and PC? Absolutely not. They understand their audience really well, they know what lures the sheep, and what keeps the sheep in the pen. Am I surprised to see those threads garner 20 pages of discussion on Gaf? Absolutely not. Am I surprised to see the OP/writer get attacked furiously by some? Absolutely not. We all know how it's, despite the fronting, and the appearances game.
It's not a level playing field, and it hasn't been for a long time when it comes to quality games. It's what it's.
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Fredrik
Member
A 3080ti would indeed be nice! But I’m in no hurry. And yeah still 1080p here too, looks more than okay if you ask me, I’ve never understood the obsession of high resolution, I much rather crank up everything else to max.
Cyberpunk 2077 | 1080p, Ultra, GTX 1080 Ti
Kadayi
Banned
Indeed. I'll take more effects with lower resolution versus the other way around any day of the week. Still hoping that as things ease with lockdowns and all, there's a chance to nab a 3000 series card at some point later in the year for when the DLC arrives.
Guilty_AI
Member
The PS5 continues to elicit strong feelings among communities with other preferred platforms. Can't stop talking about it. It has the "it" factor... At this point, Sony building new foundries for themselves would even make financial sense... Pump them babies out..... PS5 for you, and you, and you... and you.
To me you should always look at these things through the lens of Gaming. The conversation is about PC Gaming and Console Gaming, emphasis on gaming. Which is why all the talk about hardware specs is so silly... not to mention the fact that the overwhelming majority of PC gamers don't have, nor own a rig more capable than what the PS5 can do in gaming - so it's what it's. This idea that your average PC gamer is rolling with a 3070, 6800 (and all the accompanying parts)........
I do think that it's pretty telling about the state of the platforms, and the communities that support those respectively; that you have a dedicated subgroup of consistent loud port beggers in one community, while not on the other(s). I think it tells a lot about what types of games are creating peer-pressure and FOMO, what type of games are driving trends, and what type of games are consuming gamers mindshare and the news cycles. Thus the psychological behavior of port begging is merely a reaction to a "want", not wanting to be left out, ultimately, a sign of dissatisfaction of NOT having what you want, at the time that you want it, on your preferred platform. You don't subscribe to a platform on the virtues of your self-imposed patience - gamers are not buddha monks.
Thus we come full circle once again to the old proverbial saying: "Exclusives Matter". Not only do they matter but we also know that not all exclusives are created equal, there is gap (quality, scope, popularity etc - in other words, mind the gap). And we all know it. Just like we know, exclusives are not just a cliche... exclusives are games. Games that you can't experience outside particular platforms - and once again, gaming is about the games. When you look at the concensus GOTY's, and GOTY nominees for the last decade or so what you'll find is that those lists are packed with exclusive games, whether that be Nintendo exclusives, or PS exclusives. Since third-party multiplats can be enjoyed everywhere - no one wins browny pts on them. So it's the games that can't be enjoyed elsewhere the ones that truly set the platforms apart, and create the strong emotions between communities. Fact of the matter is, the PC platform hasn't had exclusive software that captures gamers mindshare and the news cycle in the same manner console exclusives have done recently and consistently. The golden age of strategy games and MMORPGs is over - something set the PC platform apart once and had that "it" over consoles.
Here's is what's driving the mindshare these days and the news cycle, outside your odd, out of nowhere hit and your multiplats.... God of War: Ragnarok, Zelda Breath of the Wild 2, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of US II, Metroid, Horizon Forbidden West etc... just like God of War before, BOTW, Uncharted 4 etc. AAA blockbuster exclusives. And don't let yourself be fooled by folks who tell you they don't care about those types of games. The proof is in the pudding. We all know how hyped PC gamers were/are for Cyberpunk on PC (pre-launch and post-launch). And that game is not even an exclusive. But we know what it's, a AAA blockbuster narrative-driven RPG, with pretty graphics. PC folks cleary want what they don't have in quantiy.... quality narrative driven experiences, of big scope, with pretty graphics to show off their rigs and validate those 1k, 2k, 3k investments. Lets cut the BS. You wouldn't see so much damage controlling around this flop if there wasn't strong emotional investments into the type of games CDPR makes.
So why is the PS platform communtiy and the PC community often clashing on these sort of topics? The obvious - there is more demographic overlap between PS communities and hardcore PC communities relative to Nintendo. And Nintendo games can be easily emulated by PC (pirating yes, the not so secret secret). Both Sony and Nintendo have been on a tear for a whole gen more or less when it comes to quality exclusive content, and lots of gamers from other platforms are being left out.
Am I surprised that thought-leaders in the PC community put out videos to cash in on the need for reassurance of platform choice when they put out flawed hardware comparisons between PS5 and PC? Absolutely not. They understand their audience really well, they know what lures the sheep, and what keeps the sheep in the pen. Am I surprised to see those threads garner 20 pages of discussion on Gaf? Absolutely not. Am I surprised to see the OP/writer get attacked furiously by some? Absolutely not. We all know how it's, despite the fronting, and the appearances game. It's not a level playing field, and it hasn't been for a long time when it comes to quality games. It's what it's.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
TLThe PS5 continues to elicit strong feelings among communities with other preferred platforms. Can't stop talking about it. It has the "it" factor... At this point, Sony building new foundries for themselves would even make financial sense... Pump them babies out..... PS5 for you, and you, and you... and you.
To me you should always look at these things through the lens of Gaming. The conversation is about PC Gaming and Console Gaming, emphasis on gaming. Which is why all the talk about hardware specs is so silly... not to mention the fact that the overwhelming majority of PC gamers don't have, nor own a rig more capable than what the PS5 can do - so it's what it's. This idea that your average PC gamer is rolling with a 3070, 6800........
I do think that it's pretty telling about the state of the platforms, and the communities that support those respectively, that you have a dedicated subgroup of consistent loud port beggers in one community, while not on the other. I think it tells a lot about what types of games are creating FOMO (that peer-pressure), what type of games are driving trends, and what type of games are consuming gamers mindshare and the news cycles. Thus the psychological behavior of port begging is merely a reaction to a "want", not wanting to be left out, ultimately, a sign of dissatisfaction of NOT having what you want, at the time that you want it, on your preferred platform. You don't subscribe to a platform on the virtues of your self-imposed patience - gamers are not buddha monks.
Thus we come full circle once again to the old proverbial saying: "Exclusives Matter". Not only do they matter but we also know that not all exclusives are created equal, there is gap (quality, scope, popularity etc - in other words, mind the gap). And we all know it. Just like we know, exclusives are not just a cliche... exclusives are games. Games that you can't experience outside particular platforms - and once again, gaming is about the games. When you look at the concensus GOTY's, and GOTY nominees for the last decade or so what you'll find is that those lists are packed with exclusive games, whether that be Nintendo exclusives, or PS exclusives. Since third party multiplats can be enjoyed everywhere - no one wins browny pts on them. So it's those games that can't be enjoyed elsewhere the ones that truly set the platforms apart, and create the strong emotions between communities. Fact of the matter is, the PC platform hasn't had exclusive software that captures gamers mindshare and the news cycle in the same manner console exclusives have done recently so consistenly. The golden age of strategy games and MMORPGs is over - something that truly set the PC platform apart once and had that "it" over consoles.
Here's is what's driving the mindshare, and the news cycle, outside your odd, out of nowhere hit and your multiplats.... God of War: Ragnarok, Zelda Breath of the Wild 2, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of US II, Metroid, Horizon Forbidden West etc... just like God of War before, BOTW, Uncharted 4 etc. AAA blockbuster exclusives. And don't let yourself be fooled by folks who tell you they don't care about those types of games. The proof is in the pudding. We all know how hyped PC gamers were/are for Cyberpunk on PC (pre-launch and post-launch). And that game is not even an exclusive. But we know what it's, a AAA blockbuster narrative-driven RPG, with pretty graphics. PC folks cleary want what they don't have in quantiy.... quality narrative driven experiences, of big scope, with pretty graphics to show off their rigs and validate those 1k, 2k, 3k investments. Lets cut the BS. You wouldn't see so much damage controlling around this flop if there wasn't strong emotional investments into the type of games CDPR makes.
So why is the PS platform communtiy and the PC community often clashing on this point. The obvious - there is more demographic overlap between PS communities and hardcore PC communities relative to Nintendo. And Nintendo games can be easily emulated by PC (pirating yes, the not so secret secret). Both Sony and Nintendo have been on a tear for a whole gen more or less when it comes to quality exclusive content, and lots of gamers from other platforms are being left out. So am I surprised to see thought-leaders in the PC community putting out videos to cash in on that sentiment when they try to put out flawed hardware comparison between PS5 and PC? Absolutely not. They understand their audience really well, they know what lures the sheep, and what keeps the sheep in the pen. Am I surprised to see those threads garner 20 pages of discussion on Gaf, absolutely not. Am I surprised to see the OP/writer get attacked furiously by some. Absolutely not. We all know how it's, despite the fronting, and the appearances game. It's not a level playing field, and it hasn't been for a long time when it comes to quality games.
R = You are simply triggered beyond belief that there are millions and millions of people with better PC's than ps5, from at least 2 plus years before Sony even released it, and now the numbers are growing more and more, especially since AMD also released their new GPU's as well as Nvidia's. But the ps5 is great on price to performance, you just can't expect to get PC performance with it's much less performant hardware. Simply put, you are upset that so many prefer to play on better hardware than your beloved console. Which shouldn't affect you this much as a supposed "gamer". Us playing on PC doesn't hurt the sales of ps5, as several of us weren't going to buy it anyways. The same way you have no intention on playing some games above 30fps with raytracing, or prefer checkerboard resolution to native resolution, or like having every choice made for you, instead of making your own decisions.
There's pro's and cons of owning each hardware, but your post wreaks of console warrior only.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
haha get out of here with out of context statements like this.
what are you playing? 720p or medium settings?
I have 3080 here. Zero Dawn 4k maxed runs 60 but uses like 99% of gpu
Cyberpunk maxed with rt with dlss on balanced runs 30-40.
But You come in here sayin "oh I have this magical 1080ti which runs cyberpunk 2077 60fps ON ULTRA and horizon 1000fps.
BULLSHIT, not max settings like you say, 1080p
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Topher
Gold Member
The PS5 continues to elicit strong feelings among communities with other preferred platforms. Can't stop talking about it. It has the "it" factor... At this point, Sony building new foundries for themselves would even make financial sense... Pump them babies out..... PS5 for you, and you, and you... and you.
To me you should always look at these things through the lens of Gaming. The conversation is about PC Gaming and Console Gaming, emphasis on gaming. Which is why all the talk about hardware specs is so silly... not to mention the fact that the overwhelming majority of PC gamers don't have, nor own a rig more capable than what the PS5 can do in gaming - so it's what it's. This idea that your average PC gamer is rolling with a 3070, 6800 (and all the accompanying parts)........
I do think that it's pretty telling about the state of the platforms, and the communities that support those respectively; that you have a dedicated subgroup of consistent loud port beggers in one community, while not on the other(s). I think it tells a lot about what types of games are creating peer-pressure and FOMO, what type of games are driving trends, and what type of games are consuming gamers mindshare and the news cycles. Thus the psychological behavior of port begging is merely a reaction to a "want", not wanting to be left out, ultimately, a sign of dissatisfaction of NOT having what you want, at the time that you want it, on your preferred platform. You don't subscribe to a platform on the virtues of your self-imposed patience - gamers are not buddha monks.
Thus we come full circle once again to the old proverbial saying: "Exclusives Matter". Not only do they matter but we also know that not all exclusives are created equal, there is gap (quality, scope, popularity etc - in other words, mind the gap). And we all know it. Just like we know, exclusives are not just a cliche... exclusives are games. Games that you can't experience outside particular platforms - and once again, gaming is about the games. When you look at the concensus GOTY's, and GOTY nominees for the last decade or so what you'll find is that those lists are packed with exclusive games, whether that be Nintendo exclusives, or PS exclusives. Since third-party multiplats can be enjoyed everywhere - no one wins browny pts on them. So it's the games that can't be enjoyed elsewhere the ones that truly set the platforms apart, and create the strong emotions between communities. Fact of the matter is, the PC platform hasn't had exclusive software that captures gamers mindshare and the news cycle in the same manner console exclusives have done recently and consistently. The golden age of strategy games and MMORPGs is over - something that set the PC platform apart once and had that "it" over consoles.
Here's is what's driving the mindshare these days and the news cycle, outside your odd, out of nowhere hit and your multiplats.... God of War: Ragnarok, Zelda Breath of the Wild 2, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of US II, Metroid, Horizon Forbidden West etc... just like God of War before, BOTW, Uncharted 4 etc, etc. AAA blockbuster exclusives. And don't let yourself be fooled by folks who tell you they don't care about those types of games (walking simulators, kiddie games and all that babble). The proof is in the pudding. We all know how hyped PC gamers were/are for Cyberpunk on PC (pre-launch and post-launch). And that game is not even an exclusive. But we know what it's, a AAA blockbuster narrative-driven RPG, with pretty graphics. PC folks cleary want what they don't have in quantiy.... quality narrative driven experiences, of big scope, with pretty graphics to show off their rigs and validate those 1k, 2k, 3k investments. Lets cut the BS. You wouldn't see so much damage controlling around this flop if there wasn't strong emotional investments into the type of games CDPR makes.
So why is the PS communtiy and the PC community often clashing on these sort of topics? The obvious - there is more demographic overlap between PS communities and hardcore PC communities relative to Nintendo. And Nintendo games can be easily emulated by PC (pirating yes, the not so secret secret). Both Sony and Nintendo have been on a tear for a whole gen more or less when it comes to quality exclusive content, and lots of gamers from other platforms are being left out. It shouldn't be hard to admit.
Am I surprised that thought-leaders in the PC community put out videos to cash in on the need for reassurance of platform choice by PC folk? By putting out flawed hardware comparisons between PS5 and PC? Absolutely not. They understand their audience really well, they know what lures the sheep, and what keeps the sheep in the pen. Am I surprised to see those threads garner 20 pages of discussion on Gaf? Absolutely not. Am I surprised to see the OP/writer get attacked furiously by some? Absolutely not. We all know how it's, despite the fronting, and the appearances game. It's not a level playing field, and it hasn't been for a long time when it comes to quality games. It's what it's.
That's a lot to read and frankly, a bit all over the place. But one point you made I'll address:
" not to mention the fact that the overwhelming majority of PC gamers don't have, nor own a rig more capable than what the PS5 can do in gaming"
The vast majority of console gamers don't have PS5s. Heck, the vast majority of PS gamers are still playing on base PS4s. But if you look at the surveys, the average PC gamer have rigs that are more capable than the average console. And the high end gaming PC is more capable than ANY console. By the time PS5 becomes the console of the majority of consoles gamers, PC gamers will have upgraded to the next level of hardware as well. This is always the way of things.
Knitted Knight
Banned
How many times will you type the same response to my posts? I've lost count. We all know you read every single sentence. That you can't handle it, well that has always been your problem.
Lmao... don't project your own triggering. You're too easy to handle.... feeding on the commoners. Light weight.
Where are the receipts on the bold? I'm going to set my alarm clock on that one, set to expire before my death.
You're not saying much. How many PS5 owners are out there, 3.4m within the first month, prob about 5 mill now least? How many own better than PS5 on PC? All I need is the receipts.
https://www.nme.com/en_asia/news/ga...4million-units-within-its-first-month-2847020
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DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Projection is a bad look. There are millions of rtx 20xx, 30xx, etc sold. Those millions of GPU's provide better performance than ps5. Even a lower end gpu like the 3060 ti beats ps5.
Those are your reciepts, and plenty more where they came from, whatever the hell that means. Lightweight. I'll set my clock to 5:03pm, and this reality is still true.
What is this, an anime now
Knitted Knight
Banned
That's a lot of gifs and little substance. Where are the receipts?
Or are you going to double down with 5 gifs instead of 3?
Are you hoping someone somehow finds the receipts - because you can't? Stalling..
We are into something now are we? That such particular sentence is the sole focus of the push back, without receipts, says a lot too.
Like I said, light weight.
Or are you going to double down with 5 gifs instead of 3?
Are you hoping someone somehow finds the receipts - because you can't? Stalling..
We are into something now are we? That such particular sentence is the sole focus of the push back, without receipts, says a lot too.
Like I said, light weight.
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GaviotaGrande
Banned
Try playing in 1080p on a 65'' 4k screen from a 1.5 meter away and you will understand why high resolution matters. It all depends on your set-up: screen size, viewing distance.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
There are more people in the world, right now as we speak, with a more powerful PC, than there are ps5's. Even less powerful gpu's run at better framerates in comparisons to ps5. Why aren't you complaining about those? Id imagine you can deny this all you want, but there are thousands of videos, threads, framerate analysis, articles, etc which prove your opinion, downright wrong.
But either way, why does this trigger you? Why does it make you console warriors upset that there are people with better hardware? You too, could simply buy or build a PC as well, but instead you would rather display your insecurities to the world, in the form of long insufferable walls of text, which lack everything but facts and substance.
Take this moment to do some research, instead of going by what your gut feeling is telling you, as it's completely wrong on the subject. Watch some digital foundry, gamers nexus, etc, and float back down to reality, featherweight.
This trend will only continue to grow, as the already superior performing hardware on PC, will only get upgrades as the years to by, while the ps5 will still have the same cpu, gpu, internal ssd storage speeds, etc.
Picture 2 cars in a long race. The losing car tops out at the starting line at only 100mph, while the winning car is currently going 200mph, and it's only going faster and faster.
You can either double down, move the goal posts, or accept defeat at this point.
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Kadayi
Banned
He already talked about running the games in 1080P. Not everyone is obsessed with 4K.
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Guilty_AI
Member
i wish i had that kind of patience
