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Neverender said:
Jeez dude, I don't think a differing opinion makes anyone idiotic, especially when it comes to a weapon in Halo. Some people just want, and are happy with, a different experience in Halo than you, it doesn't make them stupid.
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But it's not just about difference in opinion. I would estimate that, say, 95% of people who are good at Halo 3 would choose to spawn with BRs over ARs. Essentially what I'm getting at is the fact that there will always be people who are terrible with BRs at the bottom of the ranking ladder who prefer ARs to BRs simply because they are less skillful and are easier to get a kill with. These kids
and Frankie
unfortunately make up the majority of the Halo community, a part of the community that really has no idea what's going on and genuinely doesn't care. These are the types of people who don't expect to go positive in a match, but rather to just break even by charging, AR flaring, and trading beatdowns. I know this because that is exactly how two of my best friends at college started playing; since they didn't know how to use the BR, they were instantly afraid to use it and relied more exclusively on their AR. So, bad kids, nut up, learn to 4 shot and veto 4 BRssssssssss.
 
backflip10019 said:
The majority of the Halo community has and always will be idiotic, especially as long as they continue to choose spawning with ARs over BRs.
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See I don't think the majority of players really WANT AR over BR starts. I know generally Social Slayer and Team Slayer are the most popular playlists but I think thats because of the dependability of getting a slayer game type (100%). I think they either don't know better...yet, or just don't care either way and only veto based on map. Heres a funny quite embarrassing story. I used to play Halo 2 with my roommate who was a mad good slayer type player he introduced me to Halo and we always always always played Team Slayer he was better than me for quite some time and yelled at me whenever I did bad and dragged us down, I got decent and hit 26 in Team Slayer eventually I watched some videos on youtube and found a forum called Halo-Pro which I'm pretty sure doesn't exist anymore, I THOUGHT I was good so I acted tough then got shit on by these kids in custom 1v1s and Midship FFA's which I didn't even know people played. So I discovered good kids and MLG and I pushed myself to learn how to play better. I found myself standing on my own eventually in their custom FFA's and even on top occasionally and then I found myself winning almost every single game, I eventually even managed to play with some amateur pros (IGotCats, Bradddddd, and occasionally Pistola and Eli) while never winning those I found myself in the mid ranks many games with a few 2nds and 3rds, I believe I hit my H2 limit right there. Eventually within like one or two months I had found out I was quite a bit better than my friend who had introduced me to the game and was beating him in our daily 1v1s we used to do to warm up. He would say alright lets go into Team Slayer and I would try to convince him to play Team Hardcore which he disliked because of the mix of objective gametypes in it. Now take for instance Dax while he stands up for the AR, hes become a brigadier, yet his tool of destruction in his career stats is the BR. Eventually to level up you will realize the BR is a better weapon and more useful in almost all situations, these kids might be newer to Halo and not as skilled but if you add AR/BR starts they will quickly figure it out, perhaps much faster than it took me, which in retrospect seems really slow. Now I'm not saying MLG settings are purely better I'm saying learning to play the games in different ways can help you get better in ways you didn't see before and in MLG's case it taught me to learn some teamwork, positioning, and ganking headshots and the FFA taught me some quick thinking and whatnot.

tl;dr : BR/AR starts is good, kids want it but might not exactly know it.

edit: while i was typing blueblur and backflip expressed the same sentiment in a much lesser number of words.
 
backflip10019 said:
But it's not just about difference in opinion. I would estimate that, say, 95% of people who are good at Halo 3 would choose to spawn with BRs over ARs. Essentially what I'm getting at is the fact that there will always be people who are terrible with BRs at the bottom of the ranking ladder who prefer ARs to BRs simply because they are less skillful and are easier to get a kill with. These kids
and Frankie
unfortunately make up the majority of the Halo community, a part of the community that really has no idea what's going on and genuinely doesn't care. These are the types of people who don't expect to go positive in a match, but rather to just break even by charging, AR flaring, and trading beatdowns. I know this because that is exactly how two of my best friends at college started playing; since they didn't know how to use the BR, they were instantly afraid to use it and relied more exclusively on their AR. So, bad kids, nut up, learn to 4 shot and veto 4 BRssssssssss.
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I don't disagree with you, I'd drop my AR for a BR any time I had the chance. I just don't think every person who enjoys spraying an AR is idiotic, they just enjoy playing that way. Maybe they don't have the skill to use a BR effectively, or don't care to learn, but if they enjoy playing with an AR and have no issues being out BR'd by a more skilled player in a match then good for them.

I think that Bungie is looking at the problem the wrong way, assuming that most of the player base prefers an AR to a BR, when in actuality they are just apathetic and will play with what they're given. I seriously doubt that BR starts across the board would upset as many people as starting with an AR in the majority of games does.


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Neverender said:
I don't disagree with you, I'd drop my AR for a BR any time I had the chance. I just don't think every person who enjoys spraying an AR is idiotic, they just enjoy playing that way. Maybe they don't have the skill to use a BR effectively, or don't care to learn, but if they enjoy playing with an AR and have no issues being out BR'd by a more skilled player in a match then good for them.

I think that Bungie is looking at the problem the wrong way, assuming that most of the player base prefers an AR to a BR, when in actuality they are just apathetic and will play with what they're given. I seriously doubt that BR starts across the board would upset as many people as starting with an AR in the majority of games does.


Edit: Sweet, Member'd
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I'll agree with that.
 
It's been said before, but I'm gonna say it again. AR start, BR secondary, across the board. It hurts nobody and you're covered for all situations right off the spawn. Everyone's a wiener!!
 
kylej said:
these kids are at another level of BK-ness. they have transcended past the mere ranks of scrubs and have reached bad kid nirvana.
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oh man... Zain is da shiz went SIX and THIRTY FIVE.

could you imagine only getting one kill every six deaths... That is seriously unfathomable to me.

Nice job you guys
 
Neverender said:
I think that Bungie is looking at the problem the wrong way, assuming that most of the player base prefers an AR to a BR, when in actuality they are just apathetic and will play with what they're given. I seriously doubt that BR starts across the board would upset as many people as starting with an AR in the majority of games does.
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Exactly what I was thinking. I don't know why they refuse to try something similar to what Bladed just said. I guess it's a matter of complacency.
 
Devin Olsen said:
oh man... Zain is da shiz went SIX and THIRTY FIVE.

could you imagine only getting one kill every six deaths... That is seriously unfathomable to me.

Nice job you guys
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Not to mention ONE of his kills was on a kid in black screen. :lol
 
Blueblur1 said:
Exactly what I was thinking. I don't know why they refuse to try something similar to what Bladed just said. I guess it's a matter of complacency.
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I know that the majority of people I play with on Eurogamer customs nights don't like BR starts.
 
Mojo said:
I miss CTF on Headlong. Once had an hour long match with all flag contesting, it was so good.
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Same here, I've talked about it before. We had an hour long assault game once and we ended up helping the other team, who lost a bunch of players due to quitting. We told them the bomb dude went up top (which he did), above the map, and we couldn't get him down and we just wanted the game to end. While we were helping them get up, the bomb guy was running around, then he jumped down in their base and armed the bomb, after a longgg time. I felt pretty bad for the other team. Sure Sudden Death may have sucked for those things, but sometimes you just had epic hour-long games that you really enjoy.
 
xxjuicesxx said:
Some assholes were talking shit the game before and beat us 5v4 (big deal) and so next game I get split off into their party.

It felt quite karmic to shoot them up, almost like I was doing a good deed. Fucking burger kings.:D
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Wait, you were betraying them? I dun get it.
 
Devin Olsen said:
could you imagine only getting one kill every six deaths... That is seriously unfathomable to me.
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That would be me on GAF customs... sigh. I really should play at least once during the week so that I don't embarrass myself in front of you guys every weekend.
 
Neverender said:
Will you... Teach me?
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Rule one: Inverted, sensitivity 4.
Rule two: Find an AR.
Rule 3: Find a Missile Pod.


More rules to follow. I don't want to wreck Truskill with all these chetz.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
Rule one: Inverted, sensitivity 4.
Rule two: Find an AR.
Rule 3: Find a Missile Pod.


More rules to follow. I don't want to wreck Truskill with all these chetz.
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Bring Team Flag back. You have the power.
 
Most halo regulars use the AR because:

1. It's the default weapon that they're FORCED to use
2. It's easier to aim and spray shoot.
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Also, I blame ignorance as most regulars aim like shit with the BR due to lack of handling experience. Therefore most of them would rather use the AR than the BR is most situations and swear that the AR should stay the starting weapon.

To avoid a wall of text I won't dive into the discussion with a lengthy post. What I will do is offer Bungie an idea. This idea could be a seed that, one day, could eventually sprout into an awesome idea.

If possible for Halo3, if not please implement this in Reach Bungie... but I would like a unlimited sudden death playlist. Games that are 1-Flag or 1-Bomb etc. allow for unlimited overtime session through segments, think NCAA Football. Also, for games that do not fit 1-Flag type allow for unlimited overtime in general. The description will inform players that this is indeed a overtime playlist that will result in epic battles. Those who are weary of time, do not enter. Simple.

It might sound stupid, and I may be thinking out of my ass with this but I think it could be a great squad battle esque playlist. Thinking about Halo2 and how fun the multiplayer was in the first year makes me wonder what the hell happened to multiplayer in Halo3.
 
Devin Olsen said:
pfffffffff it took me 5 1/2 hours to finish my first run through of campaign... Sep 21st 2007
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How the hell did you get the game on the 21?:lol

Neverender said:
I don't disagree with you, I'd drop my AR for a BR any time I had the chance. I just don't think every person who enjoys spraying an AR is idiotic, they just enjoy playing that way. Maybe they don't have the skill to use a BR effectively, or don't care to learn, but if they enjoy playing with an AR and have no issues being out BR'd by a more skilled player in a match then good for them.

I think that Bungie is looking at the problem the wrong way, assuming that most of the player base prefers an AR to a BR, when in actuality they are just apathetic and will play with what they're given. I seriously doubt that BR starts across the board would upset as many people as starting with an AR in the majority of games does.


Edit: Sweet, Member'd
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Only about 25% of the community plays the game competitively. Just to be clear, though: I'm not for any weapon start 100% either way.
 
xxjuicesxx said:
Yea, cause I didn't like their faces.
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But you just wanna deliver one of these right in thier suck holes.

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xxjuicesxx said:
Now take for instance Dax while he stands up for the AR, hes become a brigadier, yet his tool of destruction in his career stats is the BR. Eventually to level up you will realize the BR is a better weapon and more useful in almost all situations, these kids might be newer to Halo and not as skilled but if you add AR/BR starts they will quickly figure it out, perhaps much faster than it took me, which in retrospect seems really slow.
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And for any bks out there following along at home, juices, kevro, myself and the rest of the 50s here would be remiss to not mention the mention the last step: the third and final rung where you become even more experienced and realize that the AR is the best weapon, and you go back to using it plus the melee.
 
I beat it on the 25th in 5 hours 40 minutes. I was drunk as shit by the end of it. Then I went and took a final exam and aced it. Day was fucking epic.
 
What in the...

Am I crazy, or are these medals new.

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Also, the layout for campaign stat tracking is so much better then MP... Seeing individual players medals rather then the game totals... Why is this not an option in MP?

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This has to be new... Values associated with vehicles and enemies?...

I have spent like 0 time in the campaign stats area, so I apologize for being shocked about something that is probably a few years old.
 
Dax01 said:
Only about 25% of the community plays the game competitively. Just to be clear, though: I'm not for any weapon start 100% either way.
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Did you just make a number up or do you have stats to back that 25%?
 
GM Bullfrog said:
They are Campaign only medals. They have been around since the launch of the game. None of that is new. :D
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Well then... that's embarrassing.

Sorry for the ignorance GAF!

Striker said:
Did you just make a number up or do you have stats to back that 25%?
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60% of the time it works every time.

Edit: I feel bad posting so much, so I am editing this...

But Dax, you know I love you but... I think you're mis interpreting what the article is trying to say.
"Only around 25% of those eight million people who bought the game, according to Bungie’s Curtis Creamer, are playing Halo 3’s competitive multiplayer."

I am pretty sure they are just calling Halo 3 MP competitive... Not saying 25% of people playing the game are playing it competitively.

Does that make sense?

Edit #2: I took a while to actually hit save changes, after I did I see Dax updated his post, so nevermind.
 
EazyB said:
Let me put this in the only terms you could possibly understand:

Imagine you're not playing Halo and instead playing WoW because you're lame. You party up with some WoW geeks to take down some sparkly monster. Just before the battle starts you get prompted that you have to play on the monster's side against your guild buddies. Now you're a fucking water goblin fighting alongside more stupid water golbins and you're all destined to die because you have to face the people you intended to play with. You die a lot and when the purple armor you've been grinding for the last 20 hours of your life drops you don't get that shit.

All that and you spawn with an AR.
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ok yea that sounds like it would fucking blow thanks for the break down. :lol
 
Curtis Creamer said:
Only around 25% of those eight million people who bought the game...
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Do you consider all of those 8+ million people who bought the game part of the community, even though most of them don't play at all anymore?
 
Dax01 said:
Only about 25% of the community plays the game competitively. Just to be clear, though: I'm not for any weapon start 100% either way.
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I don’t see how that 25% thing has any bearing on the discussion. He’s not saying 75% play multiplayer non-competitively (which would be an oxymoran), but that 75% don’t really play the multiplayer at all and just stick to SP and co-op. What does this information have to do with the "25%" playing competitively with preferences to AR and BR shots.

And I personally believe, based on my limited experience playing with casual people offline, that the BR is intimidating and that instead of spending time to learn to use it, they'd rather spray and pray. My problem with AR starts isn't so much that AR kills take far less skill, but that if there are long ranged weapons on maps, that it leaves spawning players at a terribly unfair disadvantage.

Captain Blood said:
ok yea that sounds like it would fucking blow thanks for the break down. :lol
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;)
 
EazyB said:
And I personally believe, based on my limited experience playing with casual people offline, that the BR is intimidating and that instead of spending time to learn to use it, they'd rather spray and pray. My problem with AR starts isn't so much that AR kills take far less skill, but that if there are long ranged weapons on maps, that it leaves spawning players at a terribly unfair disadvantage.
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Agreed.
 
Striker said:
Also sounds like a number he's throwing against the wall.

I wonder how many accounts have been duplicated by alternates after the game's release.
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They know how many copies the game sold and they know how many unique gamertags have played multiplayer on live. That's probably where he got the number from.

P.S. I just got put in a party with the Gamertags OMFG MileyCyrus and MLG SelenaGomez. Great Gamertags or Greatest Gamertags?
 
Oozer3993 said:
They know how many copies the game sold and they know how many unique gamertags have played multiplayer on live. That's probably where he got the number from.

P.S. I just got put in a party with the Gamertags OMFG MileyCyrus and MLG SelenaGomez. Great Gamertags or Greatest Gamertags?
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Greatest Gamertags.
 
There's actually an MLG team, and their tags are OhMy*young female celebrity* It's like Miley Cyrus and Katy Perry and some others I forgot.
 
I hope you guys have younger sisters or daughters that you even know who these girls are :lol If not for my youngest sister having their posters all over her wall, I wouldn't have a clue. Well, maybe not Miley, she's everywhere. Still don't understand why she's so popular.
 
Plywood said:
Wait till you meet Itz Taylor Swift.
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No wai. I bet she's l33t with a 33 and everything.

MLG SelenaGomez was pretty good and OMFG MileyCyrus is a general. And by the sound of her voice was clearly of the female persuasion.

Is Halo 3's MVP system kinda borked? In an assault game on Boundless, it awarded the MVP to a guy who went -16 and had 1 detonation. Meanwhile I went +13 and had a detonation and 2 armings. Just kinda weird.

SquallASF said:
I hope you guys have younger sisters or daughters that you even know who these girls are :lol If not for my youngest sister having their posters all over her wall, I wouldn't have a clue. Well, maybe not Miley, she's everywhere. Still don't understand why she's so popular.
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I have a 13 year old sister who used to love Miley so that's my excuse :lol I just walked into the living room and she was watching Selena Gomez's Disney Channel show. I bet she's just an actress/singer to pay for her gaming.
 
SquallASF said:
I hope you guys have younger sisters or daughters that you even know who these girls are :lol If not for my youngest sister having their posters all over her wall, I wouldn't have a clue. Well, maybe not Miley, she's everywhere. Still don't understand why she's so popular.
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Spend some time in GAF OT, and in no time, without even wanting, you'll be up to date on every petty detail about the lives of every little celebrity.
 
just read this...

MLG Pro Sitdown: FearItself said:
TBS: Speaking of other games, what's going to happen when there is no more "Halo?" Rumor on the street is Bungie no longer going to be the developer.

FearItself: Amongst the Pros, no one really likes Bungie. They developed the game, but "Halo 1" was the best game and it has gotten worse since then. If someone else came along and could make games like "Halo 1," that'd be awesome. Bungie screws up a lot!
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http://sports.espn.go.com/videogames/news/story?id=4399669

I lol'd

Sure Halo 1 is a great game but MLG wouldn't be what it is today if it weren't for Halo 2 and Halo 3. I thank Bungie for MLG.
 
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