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[EazyB]

I'm sure Bungie wants that too; were it up to them, the Legendary set would be free by now. I grumble about the implementation, but at the end of the day Bungie is trying to deal with some nasty issues forced on them by Microsoft. Waiting a month before rolling the Mythic maps as required in some playlists seems reasonable to me, given the options.

I would like it if the Sandbox variants were in the Mythic playlist, though. Odd they're not.

Agreed. I understand the tough situation Bungie is placed in and I'm really surprised they're integrating the mythic map pack into some existing playlists as quickly as they are. What I don't understand at all is why their initial DLC integration, this month, is worse than any DLC integration they've ever done. It doesn't make any sense.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I don't care if it is 3 playlists or 1, they are requiring people to buy maps to play online for something they already paid 60 dollars for. If they are going to bring out DLC and require it matchmaking do what they did in Halo2. Release it free to the public down the road or mix it into matchmaking but not exclude people from playing the damn game.

Imagine sometime after the update rolls out, a 13 year old for his birthday receives a bundled halo3/360 as a gift. Then imagine him signing online for the first time to realize that he is excluded from some playlists because he doesn't have these 'new' maps. Most likley after finding out about this exclusion he'll tell his parents that he needs their cc to buy these said maps.

I don't know about you but I'd be fucking floored if I were his parents. I just bought him a 300 dollar console and a 60 dollar game just to find out he has to pay another 10 dollars to play a segment of the online experience we already fucking paid for.

This is BULLSHIT at its purest form.

There will always be playlists for people without the maps that cost. You are acting as if this is an all or nothing situation, which is bullshit. Bungie needs to provide value for those who buy their DLC, and also provide a way for those who don't to play in matchmaking. They are doing both.

Agreed. I understand the tough situation Bungie is placed in and I'm really surprised they're integrating the mythic map pack into some existing playlists as quickly as they are. What I don't understand at all is why their initial DLC integration, this month, is worse than any DLC integration they've ever done. It doesn't make any sense.

Not adding the new map variants into the Mythic playlist is indeed strange. It sounds like a gimme, and honestly would be a great way to get some map variants in front of people as demonstrations of what Sandbox can do; not to mention making the playlist very diverse.

Has anyone played a variant in the other playlists?

 

[KevinRo]

There will always be playlists for people without the maps that cost. You are acting as if this is an all or nothing situation, which is bullshit. Bungie needs to provide value for those who buy their DLC, and also provide a way for those who don't to play in matchmaking. They are doing both.

Has anyone played a variant in the other playlists?

By cutting out the experience for those who paid 60 dollars for the game already?

I don't care if bungie creates an exclusive playlist for DLC or integrates into matchmaking but to EXCLUDE PAYING CUSTOMERS from PLAYLISTS is BULLSHIT.

You can play online without purchasing any map pack.
People who bought Halo 3 HAVE NO AUTOMATIC RIGHT to new content, not on the disk, that was made AFTER Halo 3 shipped. It's like believing you have the right to a director's cut of a film with extra scenes if you bought the original release.

are you retarded? They are excluding players from PLAYLISTS is the argument i'm arguing here not the fucking maps. holy shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How much control do you think Bungie has over whether or not the maps are free? Most here don't think they have any control, but if you want to believe they do, contrary to popular opinion, feel free.

I'm sure Bungle could find a way to make the maps free. Mountain Dew says high and so does fucking Valve.

Well it wouldn't be the first time ignorant parents raged against computer games because they were too dumb to check the facts. =P

Besides, all Halo 3 players should have bought a 360, you don't see folks bringing up the cost of the console to argue semantics about DLC. It's a stupid point.

Wow, thanks for answering my first question. THE COST OF THE CONSOLE IS NOT THE POINT OF THE ARGUMENT. It's the fact that after paying 60 dollars for the game they do not get their monies worth because of restrictions set by bungle.

 

[Captain Blood]

Blame it on M$. What a typical BDF reply.

Dax, do you honestly believe this? M$ is not forcing Bungle to implement these maps into matchmaking. They probably have rights over distribution of the content but forcing people to play on these maps are a totally different discussion.

BDF or not Bungle has said multiple times that they would like to see the maps become free down the road but that is M$'s call which fucks a bunch of shit up. It sucks for people who can't pick up the maps but I am on the side of thinking I should be able to play the maps I bought in more than just an unranked DLC playlist. If I hop on a game like Call of Duty 4 which is almost 2 years old without buying DLC I certainly wouldn't expect to be catered to.

I'm sure Bungle could find a way to make the maps free. Mountain Dew says high and so does fucking Valve.

I think that basically comes down to M$ owns the Halo IP, and M$ definitely does not own the L4D IP.

 

[GhaleonEB]

By cutting out the experience for those who paid 60 dollars for the game already?

I don't care if bungie creates an exclusive playlist for DLC or integrates into matchmaking but to EXCLUDE PAYING CUSTOMERS from PLAYLISTS is BULLSHIT.

You bolded the wrong part.

You are acting as if this is an all or nothing situation, which is bullshit.

People without the maps can play on many playlists. People with all the maps can play on some additional playlists. Oh teh noes.

 

[EazyB]

I don't care if bungie creates an exclusive playlist for DLC or integrates into matchmaking but to EXCLUDE PAYING CUSTOMERS from PLAYLISTS is BULLSHIT.

You don't a lick of sense, kid.

Are you saying there shouldn't be any playlists that require paid for DLC? That would include exclusive playlists as well then. Because ig that precious little 13 year old boy hopped onto Halo 3 after unwrapping it on a crisp winter night and saw that he can't play Team Mythic without downloading the Mythic Map Pack, then Bungie is locking him out of a portion of the online experience he paid for.

Not only that, but what if his best from from reading class wants to play customs with him and show him the map he made on Sandbox? He'd be locked out of that experience; poor little guy.

Thus, there should be no DLC.

 

[Deleted member 21120]

Well... the solution to this problem is obvious: Bungie should allow everyone into all of the playlists, and also give the folks who bought DLC their own playlists. It's simple.

 

[KevinRo]

You bolded the wrong part.


People without the maps can play on many playlists. People with all the maps can play on some additional playlists. Oh teh noes.

No, I bolded the correct statement. Many != all the playlists.

You don't a lick of sense, kid.

Are you saying there shouldn't be any playlists that require paid for DLC? That would include exclusive playlists as well then. Because ig that precious little 13 year old boy hopped onto Halo 3 after unwrapping it on a crisp winter night and saw that he can't play Team Mythic without downloading the Mythic Map Pack, then Bungie is locking him out of a portion of the online experience he paid for.

Not only that, but what if his best from from reading class wants to play customs with him and show him the map he made on Sandbox? He'd be locked out of that experience; poor little guy.

Thus, there should be no DLC.

Read my other posts on this page for discussing the price of DLC. kthanks.

*edit*

Well... the solution to this problem is obvious: Bungie should allow everyone into all of the playlists, and also give the folks who bought DLC their own playlists. It's simple.

I'm fine with bungie incorporating the new maps into the playlists, just don't make it mandatory. Simple.

BDF or not Bungle has said multiple times that they would like to see the maps become free down the road but that is M$'s call which fucks a bunch of shit up. It sucks for people who can't pick up the maps but I am on the side of thinking I should be able to play the maps I bought in more than just an unranked DLC playlist. If I hop on a game like Call of Duty 4 which is almost 2 years old without buying DLC I certainly wouldn't expect to be catered to.



I think that basically comes down to M$ owns the Halo IP, and M$ definitely does not own the L4D IP.

I also wrote bungie could find a way. They bought themselves back from M$, I'm sure they could pay M$ to allow the maps to be free. I mean, after all, according to you ' Bungle has said multiple times that they would like to see the maps become free down the road'. Why not?

 

[Sai-kun]

10 bucks is cheap imo. Especially if you figure in how it's only been an extra $30 over about a year and a half. I think that it should be other way around, where people who don't have the maps are sorta confined to social playlists. Ranked should include everything, because I paid for it.

 

[Slightly Live]

I don't care if bungie creates an exclusive playlist for DLC or integrates into matchmaking but to EXCLUDE PAYING CUSTOMERS from PLAYLISTS is BULLSHIT.

It actually makes sense from a business perspective. It's not like they are removing the ability to play online at all.

are you retarded? They are excluding players from PLAYLISTS is the argument i'm arguing here not the fucking maps. holy shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll respond to this.. wait, no. I don't care what you call me or how many exclamation points you post, you're not going to find people willing to listen to you if you going around like this. I know.

I'm sure Bungle could find a way to make the maps free. Mountain Dew says high and so does fucking Valve.

Bungie had little to do with certain marketing decisions, they would be handled by the publisher, Microsft. And Valve? The are both developer and publisher. Apples and oranges.

Wow, thanks for answering my first question. THE COST OF THE CONSOLE IS NOT THE POINT OF THE ARGUMENT. It's the fact that after paying 60 dollars for the game they do not get their monies worth because of restrictions set by bungle.

Considering how long people have been playing online, yes they have gotten their monies worth. Most consoles games with online multiplayer die off very fast and most folks going online would have no one to play with, Halo is still up and going, well worth the original asking price. Still is.

Considering they gave away content which people like me and others here have paid for, even if you don't buy any DLC you would be getting more free maps. So yeah, even the the non DLC folks have gotten good value.

Dude, if you start calling folks names, they ain't going to respond. Chill out or do something to calm that rage, it's misplaced and not welcome.

 

[kylej]

 

[Grimm Fandango]

Well... the solution to this problem is obvious: Bungie should allow everyone into all of the playlists, and also give the folks who bought DLC their own playlists. It's simple.

I think that's fine.

I don't understand why certain playlists were axed anyway. Does it make a difference if they are popular or not?

 

[EazyB]

I also wrote bungie could find a way. They bought themselves back from M$, I'm sure they could pay M$ to allow the maps to be free. I mean, after all, according to you ' Bungle has said multiple times that they would like to see the maps become free down the road'. Why not?

That does it, this has got to be a joke account. :lol

 

[The Librarian]

Blame it on M$. What a typical BDF reply.

I love you too.

 

[Slightly Live]

:lol

 

[Deleted member 21120]

I'm fine with bungie incorporating the new maps into the playlists, just don't make it mandatory. Simple.

In all seriousness, you've got to be kidding with all this, right?

The Heroic and Legendary maps were incorporated into general Matchmaking playlists and they hardly ever came up in games because of the vast pool of non-owners in Matchmaking. Statistically, DLC-owners are simply much more likely to run into non-DLC owners than they are other DLC-owners. It's just math. So if they didn't have their own playlists, then they'd be playing the maps they paid for very rarely in Matchmaking. We know this because it's happened.

And you're mad because you paid $60 and you don't feel like you're getting enough content. So, imagine if you paid MORE than $60...? Imagine if you'd paid $90! Based on your behavior here with your current situation, I'd venture a guess that you'd probably be unable to post because you'd have been committed to a mental institution.

 

[KevinRo]

10 bucks is cheap imo. Especially if you figure in how it's only been an extra $30 over about a year and a half. I think that it should be other way around, where people who don't have the maps are sorta confined to social playlists. Ranked should include everything, because I paid for it.

omg. if i had that picard pick i would totally facepalm it right now.

It actually makes sense from a business perspective. It's not like they are removing the ability to play online at all.

It would make perfect sense if Bungie was still owned by M$. Forcing their user base to buy DLC isn't something coming from a company 'has said multiple times that they would like to see the maps become free down the road but that is M$'s call which fucks a bunch of shit up. ' But you're correct that in the fact they aren't removing the ability to play online but they are limiting what the original paying customers can experience. This is the core ARGUMENT here.

I'll respond to this.. wait, no. I don't care what you call me or how many exclamation points you post, you're not going to find people willing to listen to you if you going around like this. I know.
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Dude, if you start calling folks names, they ain't going to respond. Chill out or do something to calm that rage, it's misplaced and not welcome.

this is how i speak in real life.i call everyone retarded and stupid. ask tashi.

inb4 you must not have many friends

Considering how long people have been playing online, yes they have gotten their monies worth. Most consoles games with online multiplayer die off very fast and most folks going online would have no one to play with, Halo is still up and going, well worth the original asking price. Still is.

Considering they gave away content which people like me and others here have paid for, even if you don't buy any DLC you would be getting more free maps. So yeah, even the the non DLC folks have gotten good value.

omg. i give up.

seriously guys, if you let them slip this one by there isn't anything to stop them to do it again. when i buy a product i want to be able to get my monies worth. i believe the multiplayer/matchmaking part of halo3 is part of the experience that i paid for, as is evident by the marketing of it to me when they were building up hype for the game. to limit my online experience even a snudge is giving in and i will have none of it. i'm not going to sit by while they force people, like pedrolumpy, to chose to either spend more money or just be excluded from the fun that they already paid for.

*edit*
this is like crack, i can't stop replying

In all seriousness, you've got to be kidding with all this, right?
... more stuff

I said earlier it's fine if bungie incorporated a playlist[singluar] just for the DLC. i just posted there to say it is fine to have those maps also incorporated into regular matchmaking also. What is your argument here?

And to EazyB, it makes perfect sense. Bungle is just hiding behind M$ to mask the fact that they(like everyone in the world) likes to make money. If they really, really wanted to make the maps free they could find a way, either it be through their own pocket or through some marketing scheme I'm more than sure they could find a way.

 

[backflip10019]

Really, nobody is online playing right now? I had to go into Rumble Pit and beat up on shitty kids myself.

Spoiler

I'm gonna watch South Park and then go back online and at least one of you better be there waiting for me.

 

[Narpas Sword0]

THis is retarded

there are already a ton of playlists that don't require legendary or mythic

as far as I'm concerned they should have three playlists that don't require DLC - ranked FFA, ranked team slayer/objective mashup, social team slayer/objective mashup. that's the whole of the halo 3 multiplayer experience represented there for you, and the people who actually play the game heavily can get more variety

its not like the playlists have remained static since you paid your $60, some ahve been added and some have been deleted. they dont issue refunds every time this happens. the back of the box says online multiplayer, not playlist details

 

[Sai-kun]

omg. if i had that picard pick i would totally facepalm it right now.

omg why *awesomeface*

 

[vhfive]

Really, nobody is online playing right now? I had to go into Rumble Pit and beat up on shitty kids myself.

Spoiler

I'm gonna watch South Park and then go back online and at least one of you better be there waiting for me.

lost homie
also i will be on but the post apocalyptic wasteland of dc is calling me

Spoiler

sorry i missed your message last night metroid

 

[Domino Theory]

I don't really blame Microsoft for not making Legendary go free. It's still selling at a healthy rate (at least, for a map pack that came out a year ago, it's still generating $1.3 million+ in revenue each month; that's insane). People are still gobbling up the Legendary Maps, and Microsoft is letting them do so. Once it dips, they either a) drop the price again and again until it's free or b) just make the next drop to free.

If you open a lemonade stand and make $100 bucks a day even in the winter time, you're going to give lemonade out for free "just because it's winter"? No.

 

[backflip10019]

Here's my view on the maps not being free: just shut up and fucking buy them. Honestly, if you play the game religiously then what's another $20 or so per year to play on new maps and play all the playlists? Not that much.

 

[Blueblur1]

I don't really blame Microsoft for not making Legendary go free. It's still selling at a healthy rate (at least, for a map pack that came out a year ago, it's still generating $1.3 million+ in revenue each month; that's insane). People are still gobbling up the Legendary Maps, and Microsoft is letting them do so. Once it dips, they either a) drop the price again and again until it's free or b) just make the next drop to free.

If you open a lemonade stand and make $100 bucks a day even in the winter time, you're going to give lemonade out for free "just because it's winter"? No.

I bet they're regretting making the Halo 2 maps go free so fast.

 

[Sai-kun]

Here's my view on the maps not being free: just shut up and fucking buy them. Honestly, if you play the game religiously then what's another $20 or so per year to play on new maps and play all the playlists? Not that much.

$30 over 1 1/2 years is absolutely nothing, even as a kid.

 

[Slightly Live]

I bet they're regretting making the Halo 2 maps go free so fast.

Or letting Heroic go free. :lol

 

[Blueblur1]

Or letting Heroic go free. :lol

Oops. Forgot about that one.

 

[CrazedArabMan]

Feels like HaloGAF again, long posts of people quoting each other and claiming everyone else who doesn't agree is wrong.

Need to repost this for spectators.

 

[Mr. Enigma]

Here's my view on the maps not being free: just shut up and fucking buy them. Honestly, if you play the game religiously then what's another $20 or so per year to play on new maps and play all the playlists? Not that much.

You sound very responsible with money.

 

[MrDaravon]

This thread makes me sad every time I look in here :lol

I miss the days when we just bitched about melee deaths.

 

[Slightly Live]

You sound very responsible with money.

Huh?

I miss the days when we just bitched about melee deaths.

You've made me hunt youtube for old melee videos. Bastard. =P

 

[Slightly Live]

Double post. =P

 

[MrDaravon]

You've made me hunt youtube for old melee videos. Bastard. =P

:lol

 

[KevinRo]

I'm pissed that people aren't seeing the outrage over this. It's like everyone is square and is cool with what is imposed upon them. Maybe it's because I'm in a thread full of BDF members but paying to play something that should be there isn't supporting bungie, it's literally the equivalent of getting ass raped. ASS FUCKING RAPED.

 

[Trasher]

I'm pissed that people aren't seeing the outrage over this. It's like everyone is square and is cool with what is imposed upon them. Maybe it's because I'm in a thread full of BDF members but paying to play something that should be there isn't supporting bungie, it's literally the equivalent of getting ass raped. ASS FUCKING RAPED.

wat

 

[vhfive]

I'm pissed that people aren't seeing the outrage over this. It's like everyone is square and is cool with what is imposed upon them. Maybe it's because I'm in a thread full of BDF members but paying to play something that should be there isn't supporting bungie, it's literally the equivalent of getting ass raped. ASS FUCKING RAPED.

i really dont see whats wrong with dlc in general

 

[KevinRo]

i really dont see whats wrong with dlc in general

i support dlc as long as it's not ass rapeage.

BUT what they are doing with the playlists is just totally fucked up. people(those that aren't f5ing on friday at bungie.net) that were once able to play those playlists will wake up one day and find out that they will not be able to anymore. i think it's sad.

*edit*

as long as there are playlists that support dlc and playlists where you dont need dlc i dont think its a problem. the most popular playlists (social slayer and team slayer) remain dlc free so i really dont see the big problem but hey people dont agree on the internet who would've guessed

I don't see a problem with some playlists supporting dlc and some supporting non-dlc but don't take an old playlist and cut off the players that use to play it. Create a new playlist and leave the old ones alone.

 

[vhfive]

i support dlc as long as it's not ass rapeage.

BUT what they are doing with the playlists is just totally fucked up. people(those that aren't f5ing on friday at bungie.net) that were once able to play those playlists will wake up one day and find out that they will not be able to anymore. i think it's sad.

as long as there are playlists that support dlc and playlists where you dont need dlc i dont think its a problem. the most popular playlists (social slayer and team slayer) remain dlc free so i really dont see the big problem but hey people dont agree on the internet who would've guessed

 

[Sai-kun]

i support dlc as long as it's not ass rapeage.

BUT what they are doing with the playlists is just totally fucked up. people(those that aren't f5ing on friday at bungie.net) that were once able to play those playlists will wake up one day and find out that they will not be able to anymore. i think it's sad.

*edit*


I don't see a problem with some playlists supporting dlc and some supporting non-dlc but don't take an old playlist and cut off the players that use to play it. Create a new playlist and leave the old ones alone.

everyone should have the maps !

 

[PedroLumpy]

i really dont see whats wrong with dlc in general

Well in general sure. But realize that with this DLC, you are, along with getting the maps, effectively renting access to a part of the game that used to be free. This is definitely not a trend I want to catch on and be repeated somewhere else. I know we all love Halo, but I am a little surprised no one find this development somewhat troubling. I do not want shooters moving towards an MMO model where I need to shell out on a certain time frame to keep playing. I play shooters because I get good value over a long period of time. And it'll take more than Halo to convince me that this model is changing, I've played too many games that didn't need to do this to buy that argument yet.

 

[neoism]

WTF is this bungle.net forums or something!

 

[vhfive]

Well in general sure. But realize that with this DLC, you are, along with getting the maps, effectively renting access to a part of the game that used to be free. This is definitely not a trend I want to catch on and be repeated somewhere else. I know we all love Halo, but I am a little surprised no one find this development somewhat troubling. I do not want shooters moving towards an MMO model where I need to shell out on a certain time frame to keep playing. I play shooters because I get good value over a long period of time. And it'll take more than Halo to convince me that this model is changing, I've played too many games that didn't need to do this to buy that argument yet.

you dont have to though if you want to play the maps that you originally payed for then there are still playlists for you but if you want new content then you have to pay to play it makes sense

fuck im fucking repeating myself

 

[KevinRo]

WTF is this bungle.net forums or something!

i seriously want to buy that domain. i would so pimp it out and invest my time into it.

you dont have to though if you want to play the maps that you originally payed for then there are still playlists for you but if you want new content then you have to pay to play it makes sense

fuck im fucking repeating myself

excluding others from playlists they were once able to play isn't 'new content'. it's adding a restriction.

*edit*

I'm sure it's a lot! lol

I know, fucking squatters. I forgot to pay for my old domain, now they're offering to sell it for 2,000 dollars. Fucking POS.

 

[neoism]

i seriously want to buy that domain. i would so pimp it out and invest my time into it.



excluding others from playlists they were once able to play isn't 'new content'. it's adding a restriction.

I'm sure it's a lot! lol

 

[PedroLumpy]

you dont have to though if you want to play the maps that you originally payed for then there are still playlists for you but if you want new content then you have to pay to play it makes sense

fuck im fucking repeating myself

What you're missing in my argument is that I have less than what I started with. Adding maps is fine and all. But not only did you (as a map pack purchaser) gain something, which is of course fine, but I (as a vanilla Halo 3 owner) lost what some of what I originally had. And that is a rare thing, to buy a video game and have it become less functional over time by design. And that's what my problem is, and I find it to be a troubling trend. I don't expect new content for no money, but I do expect to keep what I bought out of the box.

 

[Oozer3993]

At no point did Bungie or MS ever say that by buying Halo 3 you were getting access to matchmaking in perpetuity. There was no guarantee that you would always be able to play those playlists.

 

[vhfive]

What you're missing in my argument is that I have less than what I started with. Adding maps is fine and all. But not only did you (as a map pack purchaser) gain something, which is of course fine, but I (as a vanilla Halo 3 owner) lost what some of what I originally had. And that's is a rare thing, to buy a video game and have it become less functional over time by design. And that's what my problem is, and I find it to be a troubling trend. I don't expect new content for no money, but I do expect to keep what I bought out of the box.

im curious to see how many playlists were available when halo 3 first shipped and how many dont require dlc right now

also bungle.net would be amazing
fuck now i want that domain

 

[PedroLumpy]

At no point did Bungie or MS ever say that by buying Halo 3 you were getting access to matchmaking in perpetuity. There was no guarantee that you would always be able to play those playlists.

I suppose not, but out of every shooter I've played since DOOM (admittedly as far as I can remember anyway), they would be the first to act on that 'lack of fine print' and do something like this. But like I said, I acknowledge that this is happening, but I find it a disturbing trend and do not support it.

im curious to see how many playlists were available when halo 3 first shipped and how many dont require dlc right now

I used to be able to play Big Team Battle, I used to be able to play SWAT, maybe Snipers too, and Weekend Playlists such as Infection. Doubles I suppose as well, but Multi Team is a completely reasonable alternative.

Obviously BTB is the one I really miss. That's Halo for me, with all the vehicles going around with everything else.

Spoiler

My apologies, nighty night for me. Was fun, sorry to bail.

 

[backflip10019]

You sound very responsible with money.

Because I've spent $20 on maps over the past year and a half for a game that I play infinitely more than any other?

You must have a PhD.

 

[KevinRo]

At no point did Bungie or MS ever say that by buying Halo 3 you were getting access to matchmaking in perpetuity. There was no guarantee that you would always be able to play those playlists.

At no point did Bungie or M$ ever say that you had to pay extra money to play matchmaking. Be it one of the playlists or all of them, you're still forcing people to pay to play a playlist they were once able to play.

I buy a fucking game to play it forever. Multiplayer is part of the package. I don't care if i'm only supposed to get 30 hours out of it or w/e but since I paid 60 dollars I can play it as often as I want. By restricting me to what was once free, you're now you're shitting on my experience and fucking me in the ass all at the same time. If you can't see that they are forcing this crap down your throat I honestly feel sorry for you.