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Striker said:
Remember in the pre-Halo 3 release days they talked about equipment being sparse and sometimes hard to locate (different locales?). Now, it's like a player can have one, use it, then while it's about to end, his teammate can immediately toss another down. Look at the non-stop Regens in Isolation for example. On larger maps I could understand the more amounts of Drainers or Bubble Shields, but on small maps? Ugh.

Regens, Bubble Shields, and Power Drainers is basically all we see anymore. A Gravity Lift and Trip Mine for a rare occasion.

Im not sure if this has been discussed to death here but I personally hate equipment. I can understand bungie wanting to add a new element to the game so its not just the "same old halo gameplay" but at the end of the day equipment ruins the game and is just frustrating.
 
xxjuicesxx said:
Instant Transitions:
...

A look at this.

1. AR/BR starts only for big maps.
2. Social Doubles playlist.
3. # of players restriction for Social (just like ranked)
4. High Ground found in occurrence with objective gametypes.
5. Remove the bigger maps (like Vahalla) from TS along with all vehicles except the one-man ground vehicles if applicable.
6. Only grenades on Orbital will be at respawn.
7. FFA map variants for FFA playlists.
8. Lone Wolves (8 players)
9. Removal of SHWATguns from Team SWAT.
10. Removal of Anvil and Smashed from Matchmaking.
11. Try Tundra with another gametype.
12. Flag Respawn times varies depending on gametypes.
13. VIP removal from all aspects of matchmaking.
14. Team Snipers; omit radar


I like the changes (tweaked to my liking)

How would you create a more diverse double exp playlist? What game modes to have?

There are:

Grifball
Rocket Race
Infection
Team Melee
Team Flag

(From what I can remember)


vhfive said:
interesting idea i might toy with some heavy variants for either this sat or next sat customs.

I would like to try Utah Mambo and Antiquity to see if it earns a spot on my hard drive if possible.
 
Dani said:
Just thinking, wouldn't be interesting to have Bungie sanctioned challenges, maybe over a weekend, similar to valentines day stuff, whereupon folks are rewarded for particular weapon/equipment kills across, say a weekend? I'm sure we'd see some good stuff.

It'd be a good excuse to throw up some map variants, say, like today's flavour, the tripmine on Valhalla. I'm sure they could come up with some newer or better ideas.

THis would be really cool.
 
I'm actually indifferent to what happens with the playlists. 95% of the time I'm playing matchmaking, it's in MLG. I'm glad now that it is v6. It took a few months but it's there now. But maybe if there were always new playlists I would play them more often. If there was a user made map playlist that had new maps in rotations and maybe the least vetoed one got to stay in, I would play that. From what it sounds like, that is in the works.
 
Merguson said:
A look at this.

1. AR/BR starts only for big maps.
2. Social Doubles playlist.
3. # of players restriction for Social (just like ranked)
4. High Ground found in occurrence with objective gametypes.
5. Remove the bigger maps (like Vahalla) from TS along with all vehicles except the one-man ground vehicles if applicable.
6. Only grenades on Orbital will be at respawn.
7. FFA map variants for FFA playlists.
8. Lone Wolves (8 players)
9. Removal of SHWATguns from Team SWAT.
10. Removal of Anvil and Smashed from Matchmaking.
11. Try Tundra with another gametype.
12. Flag Respawn times varies depending on gametypes.
13. VIP removal from all aspects of matchmaking.
14. Team Snipers; omit radar


I like the changes (tweaked to my liking)

How would you create a more diverse double exp playlist? What game modes to have?

There are:

Grifball
Rocket Race
Infection
Team Melee
Team Flag

(From what I can remember)




I would like to try Utah Mambo and Antiquity to see if it earns a spot on my hard drive if possible.
i like those changes

you forgot legendary brawl

utah mambo and antiquity are already on m hard drive so definitely trying those
 
Tashi0106 said:
I'm actually indifferent to what happens with the playlists. 95% of the time I'm playing matchmaking, it's in MLG. I'm glad now that it is v6. It took a few months but it's there now. But maybe if there were always new playlists I would play them more often. If there was a user made map playlist that had new maps in rotations and maybe the least vetoed one got to stay in, I would play that. From what it sounds like, that is in the works.

Pretty much this. Although I do play a bit of TS and Snipers every now and then.
 
Would you guys suggest adding my credit card to my Xbox Live account (wanna by the Mythic Map Pack)? I remember some people in this thread getting their accounts hacked into and whatnot so I'm kinda reluctant to do so. Should I just play it safe and buy a code offline?
 
MIMIC said:
Would you guys suggest adding my credit card to my Xbox Live account (wanna by the Mythic Map Pack)? I remember some people in this thread getting their accounts hacked into and whatnot so I'm kinda reluctant to do so. Should I just play it safe and buy a code offline?
I'm not really paranoid about people hacking my account, but you could always buy some points off Amazon, since they now have an online XBL store.
 
hay guys my self imposed ban on halo and gaf is over. cramming has left me drained but i'll be on for some customz and mlg(tashi did u get ur 50 yet ? lol) later.

oh and the thread hasn't changed. just alot of bitching and more bitching.
 
FourDoor said:
Question to all who hate the current Heavies gametypes:

Have you tried playing your own variation of Heavies with 8v8 with your added/removed weapons/vehicles? If so, how did that go? Did the removal of the Gaus hog fix the gametype? Did the removal of lasers lead to more vehicle movement?

Guass Hog isn't the sole problem with Heavies. It also has to do with the excessive amount of Lasers that have a low respawn time. Less lasers, more rockets, and remove a Hog or two.
 
Could one of the Bungie guys put up links to the sandbox variants? They're in MM right now but the chance of me every running into them in the wild is next to impossible and, as what has to be a cruel joke, not one of them has been implemented into the Team Mythic playlist.

I'd at least be able to play them in custom matches.
 
EazyB said:
Could one of the Bungie guys put up links to the sandbox variants? They're in MM right now but the chance of me every running into them in the wild is next to impossible and, as what has to be a cruel joke, not one of them has been implemented into the Team Mythic playlist.

I'd at least be able to play them in custom matches.

Meh, the playlists that are currently Mythic Optional will be Mythic Required next month. It sucks we have to wait another month, but gotta let the Mythic Maps simmer on Marketplace for a month to let folks come and grab their share until they can require playlists to have them.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
I loved that you could stick it to a hog, fill a hog with people, realize it was stuck there and the only option was to drive slowly around so as not to set it off.

I remember one of my last games in the beta was in BTB and one of our friends hopped in a hog with a tripmine on it. Everyone was yelling at him to not drive and to slowly get out and back away. But good times with it though, I never noticed any unbalancing with it but oh well.
 
MIMIC said:
Would you guys suggest adding my credit card to my Xbox Live account (wanna by the Mythic Map Pack)? I remember some people in this thread getting their accounts hacked into and whatnot so I'm kinda reluctant to do so. Should I just play it safe and buy a code offline?

No.

I know the chances of it happening are slim, but if it does, it's a major head ache. Had it not been for Luke, I probably wouldn't have gotten my account back, and I still don't have access to my original email account. That sucks because my Elite RROD the other day and it was registered on that account so now I have to call MS instead of just doing the repair process online. -_-
 
I had a crazy playlist idea that could maybe work in the future (perhaps beyond Halo 3 even).

Overlapping playlists.
Part of the problem with creating too many playlists is that you splinter out the user base and thus you get playlists with low population counts, BUT if you had certain modes and maps that would come up when matches are made cross playlist you could potentially create more total playlists. Imagine a team BR specific playlist, that could also match BR specific matches with team objective and team slayer (BR variants). Obviously you need to keep ranked and unranked separate, but the end-user would never notice the difference and it could allow you to narrow your search by preference without spreading playlist populations too thinly.

What cha think?
 
ahoyhoy said:
I really hope the default MM Sandbox gets replaced by a custom version sometime in the near future (or at least supplemented with a few custom versions). The original just feels... bland.
The layout for the default Sandbox might be simple but the games I've had on the map are far from bland...

6pymtj.jpg
 
That's not a bad idea. I'm sure someone at Bungie or another developer has thought of it already though. Maybe it may be something difficult to accomplish within Halo 3's dev cycle? I hope Luke or Shishka would chime in on this subject. Guys?
 
Basically I decided to screw around with x3D Destruction..

I sent him a message on behalf of Oml3t "Bungie Employee" and revealed to him "new" information about Halo 3: ODST.

I couldn't be cruel (plus the Code of Conduct forbids impersonation) so I sent him a message five minutes later telling him I do not work for Bungie. (I told him Oml3t wasn't either)

He replies..
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Wat? I know so much about Bungie?

All I told him were information about Halo 3: ODST that is, for certain (I think), not true.

1. Scoped SMG is the only weapon in Halo 3: ODST
2. Heretic, Citadel, and Longshore are no longer part of Halo 3: ODST. They will be separate for 30 dollars retail only.

:/


EDIT: Ah the Code of Conduct states Microsoft Employees only, but whatever, I couldn't do it.

I had a crazy playlist idea that could maybe work in the future (perhaps beyond Halo 3 even).

Overlapping playlists.
Part of the problem with creating too many playlists is that you splinter out the user base and thus you get playlists with low population counts, BUT if you had certain modes and maps that would come up when matches are made cross playlist you could potentially create more total playlists. Imagine a team BR specific playlist, that could also match BR specific matches with team objective and team slayer (BR variants). Obviously you need to keep ranked and unranked separate, but the end-user would never notice the difference and it could allow you to narrow your search by preference without spreading playlist populations too thinly.

What cha think?

I actually think there are too much playlists (That I will never play in, I added Social Doubles because I would be interested in playing)

I like the idea personally.
 
Voltron64 said:
The layout for the default Sandbox might be simple but the games I've had on the map are far from bland...

6pymtj.jpg

:lol

That is one of the most ridiculous screenshots I've seen.
Ridiculous in that it's obviously not trying too hard to be crazy looking, but just turned out that way. If you had never played halo before this moment, this would be one incredibly awkward screenshot :lol
 
Domino Theory said:
Meh, the playlists that are currently Mythic Optional will be Mythic Required next month. It sucks we have to wait another month, but gotta let the Mythic Maps simmer on Marketplace for a month to let folks come and grab their share until they can require playlists to have them.
Fuck that.

Both the Heroic and Legendary maps were released with better DLC playlists; it's inexcusable even if they do have something passable planned in the future.

And here's the playlists that'll have Mythic required next month:
Team Doubles
Rumble Pit
Swat

That's it. I don't touch those hoppers, and while that alone isn't a sufficient argument as to why it's not a substantial update, it's not hard to see how it pales in comparison to the heroic and legendary DLC playlists.

I don't even care if they ever integrate the Mythic maps into existing playlists; because I'll probably rarely play them there anyways and I don't like forcing players to buy DLC to play in playlists they used to have access to. The brunt of my MMP playing will be in DLC playlists and right now they are inexplicably lacking.

Merguson said:
Basically I decided to screw around with x3D Destruction..
I kept getting messages from him asking about the "powers of the flight" :lol
 
Merguson said:
1. Scoped SMG is the only weapon in Halo 3: ODST
2. Heretic, Citadel, and Longshore are no longer part of Halo 3: ODST. They will be separate for 30 dollars retail only.

:/
:lol :lol :lol
 
Forcing people to buy DLC inorder to play ranked online multiplayer is bullshit.

The 60 dollars they paid should give them full access to EVERYTHING listed on the back of the game cover. You're(Bungle) stealing their money and forcing them to upgrade. Not only are they paying money to play on their own host for XBL GOLD, they have to pay more money then the 60 dollars they paid to buy the game just to play ranked online matches. This is complete bullshit in every shape and form. I don't understand why people aren't complaining about this.
 
KevinRo said:
Forcing people to buy DLC inorder to play ranked online multiplayer is bullshit.

The 60 dollars they paid should give them full access to EVERYTHING listed on the back of the game cover. You're(Bungle) stealing their money and forcing them to upgrade. Not only are they paying money to play on their own host for XBL GOLD, they have to pay more money then the 60 dollars they paid to buy the game just to play ranked online matches. This is complete bullshit in every shape and form. I don't understand why people aren't complaining about this.
Because not everybody is 10 years old.

And after playing the same maps, day in, day out for best part of 2 years, it's nice to get a few new ones in the mix.
 
KevinRo said:
Forcing people to buy DLC inorder to play ranked online multiplayer is bullshit.

The 60 dollars they paid should give them full access to EVERYTHING listed on the back of the game cover. You're(Bungle) stealing their money and forcing them to upgrade. Not only are they paying money to play on their own host for XBL GOLD, they have to pay more money then the 60 dollars they paid to buy the game just to play ranked online matches. This is complete bullshit in every shape and form. I don't understand why people aren't complaining about this.

It says that a Team Doubles playlist in included on the back of the Halo 3 box?
 
KevinRo said:
Forcing people to buy DLC inorder to play ranked online multiplayer is bullshit.

The 60 dollars they paid should give them full access to EVERYTHING listed on the back of the game cover. You're(Bungle) stealing their money and forcing them to upgrade. Not only are they paying money to play on their own host for XBL GOLD, they have to pay more money then the 60 dollars they paid to buy the game just to play ranked online matches. This is complete bullshit in every shape and form. I don't understand why people aren't complaining about this.


They aren't forcing you to do anything. The way new maps always work in matchmaking (besides special playlists) is that it will check to see if you have them, and will see if everyone in the game has them, if so it will bring up one of the maps, if not you will play an old map.

(Forgive me if I am missing something you were talking about)
 
Deadly Cyclone said:
They aren't forcing you to do anything. The way new maps always work in matchmaking (besides special playlists) is that it will check to see if you have them, and will see if everyone in the game has them, if so it will bring up one of the maps, if not you will play an old map.

(Forgive me if I am missing something you were talking about)
The MMP will be required to participate in some playlists next month.
 
KevinRo said:
I don't understand why people aren't complaining about this.
Not sure how long you've been playing video games, Kevin, but back in the day, you paid $50 and you got 30 hours of game play if you were lucky -- and that was if you were super lucky. Games were largely single player and they verged on 15 hours most of the time, with mediocre replayability and remarkably low fidelity. I'm not going to argue what's ethical or not, but I have yet to feel like I haven't gotten my money's worth from Halo 3 and I haven't spent anywhere near the amount of time on it as you dudes.

When a game isn't worth the DLC, I'd recommend not paying for it. I think it's as simple as that, right?
 
Not owning the Legendary or Mythic maps myself (I'm going to buy them in a few days though), I have to agree it is pretty unfair that I have a limited number of playlists. However, it is also unfair to the people who own all the maps because they can only play them on some playlists and special occasions. I think Bungie should have gone a different route. If you choose team slayer and have all the maps, you get matched with other people who have all the maps. If you choose Doubles without all the maps, you get paired with people who don't have the maps. I realize this segregates the community, but there are so many damn people playing the game it won't matter.
 
KevinRo said:
Forcing people to buy DLC inorder to play ranked online multiplayer is bullshit.

The 60 dollars they paid should give them full access to EVERYTHING listed on the back of the game cover. You're(Bungle) stealing their money and forcing them to upgrade. Not only are they paying money to play on their own host for XBL GOLD, they have to pay more money then the 60 dollars they paid to buy the game just to play ranked online matches. This is complete bullshit in every shape and form. I don't understand why people aren't complaining about this.

Throw some tea in the harbor about it
 
At least Halo 3 doesn't tease you with the prospect of playing said maps in matchmaking if you don't own them like CoD: WaW does. Even for people who don't own the maps, they still show up in all of the playlists but you are unable to play them and are kicked out of the pregame lobby.
 
EazyB said:
And here's the playlists that'll have Mythic required next month:
Team Doubles
Rumble Pit
Swat

Don't forget Social Team DLC, Snipers and Big Team, possibly. Playlists such as Skirmish and Social Slayer, which we most frequently play, will most likely not require any kind of DLC (unless it becomes free, like Heroic).

Speaking of Social Team DLC, I want that playlist reduced to 4v4 which would accomodate for the Mythic Maps AND allow Shishka to put Cold Storage in. Please, Shish man, please.

KevinRo said:
Forcing people to buy DLC inorder to play ranked online multiplayer is bullshit.

The 60 dollars they paid should give them full access to EVERYTHING listed on the back of the game cover. You're(Bungle) stealing their money and forcing them to upgrade. Not only are they paying money to play on their own host for XBL GOLD, they have to pay more money then the 60 dollars they paid to buy the game just to play ranked online matches. This is complete bullshit in every shape and form. I don't understand why people aren't complaining about this.

Doubles, SWAT and Snipers are the only ranked playlists requiring all DLC/paid DLC. You still get your Lone Wolves, Team Slayer, Squad Battle, Team Objective, and MLG.
 
KevinRo said:
Forcing people to buy DLC inorder to play ranked online multiplayer is bullshit.

The 60 dollars they paid should give them full access to EVERYTHING listed on the back of the game cover. You're(Bungle) stealing their money and forcing them to upgrade. Not only are they paying money to play on their own host for XBL GOLD, they have to pay more money then the 60 dollars they paid to buy the game just to play ranked online matches. This is complete bullshit in every shape and form. I don't understand why people aren't complaining about this.
You realize that if there weren't ranked playlists that required DLC, then we'd be mad that we couldn't use the content we paid extra for in ranked playlists. Someone's going to be mad either way, and *gasp* Bungie sides with the customers who paid more.
 
Domino Theory said:
Don't forget Social Team DLC, Snipers and Big Team, possibly. Playlists such as Skirmish and Social Slayer, which we most frequently play, will most likely not require any kind of DLC (unless it becomes free, like Heroic).

Speaking of Social Team DLC, I want that playlist reduced to 4v4 which would accomodate for the Mythic Maps AND allow Shishka to put Cold Storage in. Please, Shish man, please.
I think you may be making some inaccurate assumptions. The BWU said:
Footnote
When you see a hopper with Mythic appearing as “not required,” expect that to mean that Mythic will be required the following month. For Double EXP weekends, this means that the next time they are used, they will require the Mythic Map Pack.
And the only playlists with that description are the those I previously listed. You're assuming that all the playlists currently requiring Legendary will now require Mythic. I don't think that conclusion is warranted because you'd figure they'd list them along with the ones they did so people would know what to expect and what map variants they'll be able to find there. Otherwise people will hop onto MM in May and find they can no longer play SBTB and they had no previous heads up.

If I had to guess, those 3 lone playlists will be the only ones with MMP required and perhaps they'll add the MMP to the other playlists while not requiring them (aka why bother). I forgot about Social DLC (probably because it overlaps so heavily with Skirmish and SS; all of which are 5v5 for some damned reason) though. Then again, thinking about the content in that playlist currently it's pretty much exactly what's in Team Mythic except 5v5 as opposed to 4v4.
 
Cocopjojo said:
You realize that if there weren't ranked playlists that required DLC, then we'd be mad that we couldn't use the content we paid extra for in ranked playlists. Someone's going to be mad either way, and *gasp* Bungie sides with the customers who paid more.

I think he wants the "required DLC" to be free....
 
MIMIC said:
I think he wants the "required DLC" to be free....
I'm sure Bungie wants that too; were it up to them, the Legendary set would be free by now. I grumble about the implementation, but at the end of the day Bungie is trying to deal with some nasty issues forced on them by Microsoft. Waiting a month before rolling the Mythic maps as required in some playlists seems reasonable to me, given the options.

I would like it if the Sandbox variants were in the Mythic playlist, though. Odd they're not.
 
I don't care if it is 3 playlists or 1, they are requiring people to buy maps to play online for something they already paid 60 dollars for. If they are going to bring out DLC and require it matchmaking do what they did in Halo2. Release it free to the public down the road or mix it into matchmaking but not exclude people from playing the damn game.

Imagine sometime after the update rolls out, a 13 year old for his birthday receives a bundled halo3/360 as a gift. Then imagine him signing online for the first time to realize that he is excluded from some playlists because he doesn't have these 'new' maps. Most likley after finding out about this exclusion he'll tell his parents that he needs their cc to buy these said maps.

I don't know about you but I'd be fucking floored if I were his parents. I just bought him a 300 dollar console and a 60 dollar game just to find out he has to pay another 10 dollars to play a segment of the online experience we already fucking paid for.

This is BULLSHIT at its purest form.
 
KevinRo said:
I don't care if it is 3 playlists or 1, they are requiring people to buy maps to play online for something they already paid 60 dollars for. If they are going to bring out DLC and require it matchmaking do what they did in Halo2. Release it free to the public down the road or mix it into matchmaking but not exclude people from playing the damn game.

Imagine sometime after the update rolls out, a 13 year old for his birthday receives a bundled halo3/360 as a gift. Then imagine him signing online for the first time to realize that he is excluded from some playlists because he doesn't have these 'new' maps. Most likley finding out about this exclusion he'll tell his parents that he needs their cc to buy these said maps.

I don't know about you but I'd be fucking floored if I were his parents. I just bought him a 300 dollar console and a 60 dollar game just to find out he has to pay another 10 dollars to play a segment of the online experience we already fucking paid for.

This is BULLSHIT at it's purest form.
Let's be clear on one thing: by "they," you mean Microsoft, right? Because that is where the responsibility of the map handling lies.
 
KevinRo said:
I don't care if it is 3 playlists or 1, they are requiring people to buy maps to play online for something they already paid 60 dollars for.

You can play online without purchasing any map pack.
People who bought Halo 3 HAVE NO AUTOMATIC RIGHT to new content, not on the disk, that was made AFTER Halo 3 shipped. It's like believing you have the right to a director's cut of a film with extra scenes if you bought the original release.

KevinRo said:
If they are going to bring out DLC and require it matchmaking do what they did in Halo2. Release it free to the public down the road or mix it into matchmaking but not exclude people from playing the damn game..

How much control do you think Bungie has over whether or not the maps are free? Most here don't think they have any control, but if you want to believe they do, contrary to popular opinion, feel free.

KevinRo said:
Imagine sometime after the update rolls out, a 13 year old for his birthday receives a bundled halo3/360 as a gift. Then imagine him signing online for the first time to realize that he is excluded from some playlists because he doesn't have new maps. Most likley finding out about this exclusion he'll tell his parents that he needs their cc to buy these said maps.

I don't know about you but I'd be fucking floored if I were his parents. I just bought him a 300 dollar console and a 60 dollar game just to find out he has to pay another 10 dollars to play a segment of the online experience we already fucking paid for.

This is BULLSHIT at it's purest form.

Well it wouldn't be the first time ignorant parents raged against computer games because they were too dumb to check the facts. =P

Besides, all Halo 3 players should have bought a 360, you don't see folks bringing up the cost of the console to argue semantics about DLC. It's a stupid point.
 
Dax01 said:
Let's be clear on one thing: by "they," you mean Microsoft, right? Because that is where the responsibility of the map handling lies.

Blame it on M$. What a typical BDF reply.

Dax, do you honestly believe this? M$ is not forcing Bungle to implement these maps into matchmaking. They probably have rights over distribution of the content but forcing people to play on these maps are a totally different discussion.
 
Cocopjojo said:
You realize that if there weren't ranked playlists that required DLC, then we'd be mad that we couldn't use the content we paid extra for in ranked playlists. Someone's going to be mad either way, and *gasp* Bungie sides with the customers who paid more.

Look man, I paid $60 bucks to play Halo 3. I understand that you wanna play your maps, and you should definately get your DLC playlists and the like. But I'm not some lecherous hanger on that deserves scorn, I just don't care about getting new maps. Never have for pretty much any game. I'm perfectly happy to play on what I got. But I definitely like to have choice in modes, and I do think it's pretty weak that I lose that as the map packs come up. As it is, it's more or less fine, although not having BTB sucks hard (And no Squad Battle can't replace it, get ranked too high in that and you can't get a match).

I'm glad you guys get to play on the maps, but seriously it doesn't have to be at the cost of shitting all over those who don't. Frankly if there was just a mirror of BTB without maps required I could live without SWAT or Snipers. Just .... man, like, we're not the fucking enemy here. I'm not sure when it became standard that you have to keep buying shit after release to keep playing, but fuck I didn't get the memo.

And I did support Bungie, I bought their game guys, that cost more than the map packs, (which a bunch of you got free might I add). But apparently the $60 bucks for the game is not enough now?
 
GavinGT said:
Has the MLG playlist been updated with Mythic variants yet? If not now, when?
:lol Serious question?

As far as I know, as of now there has been no announcement of MLG planning to include the maps in the MLG playlist. Who knows, in the future there might be some baller maps included (Mage, Sanctum, Assembly?), but as of now, nothing.
 
KevinRo said:
Blame it on M$. What a typical BDF reply.

Dax, do you honestly believe this? M$ is not forcing Bungle to implement these maps into matchmaking. They probably have rights over distribution of the content but forcing people to play on these maps are a totally different discussion.

You're right. That damn Bungle; what the hell are they thinking making new maps and getting them into matchmaking!?
 
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