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The Official Halo 3 Thread
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Didn't play Halo 2 that much but my beefs with Blackout don't seem to lie in the changes made from 2 to 3. I don't really care if there are stairs where a ramp used to be; I know they're stairs so I don't expect my grenades to bounce up them, simple as that. BR tower in easy enough to hold without that window being open, it's still hands down the easiest tower to defend.
Blackout is horrible IMO because of 3 things:
1) Crazy spawn issues. My video example. This is probably the reason MLG took it out and Bungie has got to feel bad about that. I'm really hoping spawn issues are addressed in the AU2 but there hasn't been any mention of it yet.
2) Lack out BR spawns. In Halo 2 you always spawned with a BR so it wasn't an issue, but now they think the AR is a godly replacement for the BR we had in Halo 2. Because of this, the fact that there are only two BRs on the map make it nearly impossible to get a hold of one. The AR makes assaulting the BR tower a suicide mission if the other team manages to snag some BRs.
3)General spawning problems. Even when spawns aren't placing you in the middle of a gunfight or behind an opponent, they still suck. When a team controls BR or sniper tower you'll oftentimes find yourself spawning right below them. When trying to work our way up to them you're at a distinct disadvantage and especially so if you're spawning with a AR.
Blackout is on the same footing with Gaurdian IMO except there aren't as many spawn issues on the latter. They both suck with AR starts as well.
Blackout is horrible IMO because of 3 things:
1) Crazy spawn issues. My video example. This is probably the reason MLG took it out and Bungie has got to feel bad about that. I'm really hoping spawn issues are addressed in the AU2 but there hasn't been any mention of it yet.
2) Lack out BR spawns. In Halo 2 you always spawned with a BR so it wasn't an issue, but now they think the AR is a godly replacement for the BR we had in Halo 2. Because of this, the fact that there are only two BRs on the map make it nearly impossible to get a hold of one. The AR makes assaulting the BR tower a suicide mission if the other team manages to snag some BRs.
3)General spawning problems. Even when spawns aren't placing you in the middle of a gunfight or behind an opponent, they still suck. When a team controls BR or sniper tower you'll oftentimes find yourself spawning right below them. When trying to work our way up to them you're at a distinct disadvantage and especially so if you're spawning with a AR.
Blackout is on the same footing with Gaurdian IMO except there aren't as many spawn issues on the latter. They both suck with AR starts as well.
I tried to avoid Lockout whenever possible in Halo 2, and disliking itTashi0106 said:
[okay, my previous statement about loving all the maps was an exageration]
I expected the worst from Blackout, but I really think it's a better map from the limited time I've spent on it.
EDIT: EazyB - Bungie should feel not one gram of sadness over anything MLG says or does.
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I'm sorry, but is AR starts better for the gameplay that is Halo more so than BR starts? Yes it is. Cry moar.EazyB said:
No it doesn't.
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terribleDax01 said:
Oh, trust me, I detest MLG as much as the next guy. It's just that this was a level those MLG children begged, cried and pleaded for but once they saw how terribly Halo 3 handles spawns in small maps, they realized it wasn't fit for any sort of competitive matches.Sir Fragula said:
I liked your attempt at using the english language to formulate a response. You should've kept with that instead of replacing it with a smiley.Dax01 post-edit said:
Much better. I suggest you continue to write embarrassingly horrible counterarguments instead of smiley's.Dax01 pre-edit said:
Anyone can post this: ":lol "
But it takes a very special person to post this: "but is AR starts better for the gameplay that is Halo more so than BR starts? Yes it is."
Stay true to yourself, Dax. Let that inner handicapped kid shine.
Thank youDax01 post-post-edit said:
The Librarian
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EazyB said:
I've already explained why AR starts is better, and if Bungie felt the same way as you (I'm glad they don't) then they would have BR starts. But, thankfully, Bungie realizes that AR starts allow for the utilization of the three golden aspects of Halo (weapons, grenades, and melee) more so than BR starts. Weapons, grenades, and melee is what Halo is about, and the AR fits Halo so perfectly. You don't like it? Play MLG.
Oh, and a lot of the games in Halo 2 on Lockout started with SMGs.
Look at Spermatic Cord's post, then look at the time of my edit. I did two edits.
The Librarian
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:OLukeSmith said:
That's excellent! I would hate to be at the receiving end of this sniper rifle.
And yes, I was aiming for the other guy. My bad aiming came through for me!:lol
I don't think that's the type of spawn that would be prevented. That guy spawn before any one died there and even before shot were fired. It would be unreasonable to even expect something like that to be "fixed".Dax01 said:
That said, it's good to hear the major spawning issues on Blackout are being addressed. Hopefully it's a change in the underlying system and not just a shift in the forged spawn points because while Blackout definitely has the worst spawning issues, it's not the only map that does.
Theres one thing particular I don't like about Black Out. The bottom tunnel which leads the Sniper tower to the other tower used to be a straight line where you could see from one side to another in H2. In H3, theyve cut the line of sight at the sniper tower. Feels like such a unnecessary change: theres always been many routes to get to places and teh added cover just feels like it breaks the gameplay up.
If ya know where i mean.
If ya know where i mean.
Tashi0106 said:Oh nice...now how about re-texturing it so it looks like the original...I'll wait for it and happily pay for it.
How many times do we have to say it...
Level Geometry is different then textures... You guys sound like idiots everytime you refer to additional level geometry as textures.
Grenades do not get stuck on textures, but additional geometry.
It canabalizes any rational argument you are about to make right from the jump.
For a bunch of pro's, MLG doesnt have a clue what they are taking about sometimes, and need a serious lesson in general debating.
I don't like the stairs instead of ramps on blackout either (or most other maps with similar decisions), but you have to at least speak the language to expect someone to listen.
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EazyB said:
Hm. You're right.
Voltron64 said:
But something like this is possible to fix, right?
EazyB said:
I think the major problem with the spawn system on Blackout is that...ok hold on i gotta make this make sense. Ok there 4 major parts of Blackout...BR tower, Lift, SnipeTower and the middle. Now there are obviously bridges and branches that people spawn on all the time that I would consider to be part of 1 of the 4 major parts. Now, I think the problem is that the spawns AREAS are separated into much smaller parts. If I'm at top sniper sniping someone, there shouldn't be a man spawning behind me at the top of Snipe Ramp. It just shouldn't happen. (On a side note, I think that spawn should go all together, it lends itself too well to being spawn sniped from someone at top Br.)
I consider Elbow to be apart of the Lift tower. If I die on Elbow, I shouldn't spawn in the Lift Tower and if I die in the Lift Tower I shouldn't spawn on Elbow. It's not that cut and dry though.
Lets say my whole team is in the Lift tower and the other team has 2 players in the Snipe Tower and in the BR. Lets say 1 of us dies in the Lift, way more often then not, that person will spawn in Lift again. But lets say 2 of us die, the percentages go way down, and we should spawn somewhere else. But then where do we spawn?
wow, thinking about it so deeply made me realize how hard of a thing it is to get right. It just needs to be constantly tested.
Dax01 said:
I don't think there's much wrong with it. It's impossible for the spawn system to dynamically know that you have a Sniper at Top Snipe and therefore have him spawn else where. The spawn system was doing its job. It's just you getting lucky and him getting very unlucky.
I think that's the moral of the story. Everytime I think of how to fix Blackout spawns, it gets exponentially more complex. I never played high-level Lockout but I can't imagine how they'd get the spawn right on it. It's just the way the level is designed, while it might make an amazing if they somehow managed to get the spawns right, it's extremely hard to do so. Fixing those incredible ridiculous spawns is definitely a start, but I still feel like Blackout will be a map I look forward to playing on.Tashi0106 said:
The Librarian
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Yep. I can't imagine what the guys at Bungie have done to make it better. It must have taken a lot of hard work.EazyB said:
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They're not good folks.
They're not good folks.
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http://www.mlgpro.com/asx/stream_a.asx
Watch good players. See them play. See the lack of AR. Love it.
Watch good players. See them play. See the lack of AR. Love it.
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I like Eggs L sounds like excel.
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To be fair this probably works its fair share of the time.Insaniac said:
lol the guy says he's YOU luke!
It's just unfortunate when these kids pull stunts against GAFers.
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So what did you think of the map I made? I know it wasn't made for two people, but it was doing better than I expected.Merguson said:
xxjuicesxx said:
Grrrrr.
Could we have a "Halo 3 BR Start Bitching" thread just so the rest of us who aren't fucking obsessed with it don't have to put up with page after page of arguing about it? :lol
I wonder if the spawn fixes on Blackout being a part of AU2 are indicative of an Autoupdate trend: namely, small fixes to spawn locations, weapon/equipment placement, etc. across many of the maps.
I wonder if the spawn fixes on Blackout being a part of AU2 are indicative of an Autoupdate trend: namely, small fixes to spawn locations, weapon/equipment placement, etc. across many of the maps.
xxjuicesxx
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Not until Bungie adds BR + AR spawns to all playlists.:lol
I kid but seriously give us another BR spawn playlist besides MLG. I like MLG A lot, but it does get boring since theres a limited amount of games/maps for it.
I'd like if Squad had BR starts.
I kid but seriously give us another BR spawn playlist besides MLG. I like MLG A lot, but it does get boring since theres a limited amount of games/maps for it.
I'd like if Squad had BR starts.
xxjuicesxx
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Sir Fragula said:
Some people find FUN in competitive play instead of flashy gimmicks. Why is the world so riddled full of ADHD like symptoms?
It's like they cant sit down and focus on the intricacies of things, they need to play with a plethora of objects.
I guess I'm just an old soul
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GhaleonEB said:
:lol
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People called Romanes they go the house?
GhaleonEB said:
We'll flip for it.
Sounds like a sound plan to me.
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TDG said:
DID CHEWY JUST GET A NO-SCOPE??
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Merguson said:
xxjuicesxx
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Merguson said:
Discuss.
Its fun to shoot them on Sierra 117.:lol
I prefer to shoo tthem with the BR... FUCK I DID IT AGAIN!
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