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The Official Halo 3 Thread
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Pretend I quoted this over 9000 times.EazyB said:
Revengeance
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Oh God, I hate Epitaph. For me, it always ends in frustration, and I definitely know that I play worse on that map because of it My least favorite map, easily.The Lamonster said:anyway, why do I never get Construct and Epitaph when I play matchmaking? I never get to play those maps
Construct, on the other hand, <3. I used to hate it, but now I love it.
Hell yeah, more power weapons would definitely make that map play better for 4v4 games. Perhaps there should be a couple fuel rod cannons, one by garage, the other at batteries; maybe an energy sword by broken wall; and a wraith!Nutter said:
Crazy precentages are CRAZY.Nutter said:
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All of those 10%s need to be, like, 2%, Nutter. I still don't understand - is there anyone that would prefer to play VIP over CTF? If the majority - the vast majority - of players prefer CTF, then why aren't the playlists weighted overwhelming for that? With VIP and Terrible-tories getting one or two games out of every fifteen or twenty?
the disgruntled gamer said:
Last Resort is good for everything. It's the perfect Halo map (as was Zanzibar).
It makes a fantastic Team Slayer map; so many gameplay options and strategic spots on this map. My personal favorite? Needler + high ground.
The Lamonster said:anyway, why do I never get Construct and Epitaph when I play matchmaking? I never get to play those maps
I'm a big fan of Epitaph. Great map. Any hate that map receives is unwarranted. It's sad to not see it in Team Slayer. I hate Team Snipers but that would be an interesting Team Snipers map at the very least.
This might be one of those cases where anecdotal evidence is outweighed by data. I don't know if this is something Shishka/Bungie is willing to share, but I'm very interested to see what gets majority vetoed the most, and the least. I have a feeling that some of the answers to these questions are a simple data point.Cocopjojo said:
Just last night I had a VIP game that wasn't vetoed because they were worried it would be assault/CTF/Territories, and VIP was "close enough" to slayer - which is what most wanted - that it didn't get voted down. It goes both ways in my experience. But speaking for myself, I don't ever want to play Territories again, (and I loved Three Plots in Halo 2), and would rather play an Escort variation of VIP, which forces the teams to move around the map, not hole up in the bases.
It's partly for that same reason that I love Neutral Assault on Valhalla. Few things bring me more joy than hopping on a Mongoose and blowing past the opposing team out in the middle of the map while the search for the bomb. The tug of war on that game type/map is fun.
Boy I don't envy Shishka. All the hate, and none of the love. But I wouldn't play the game so damn often if it wasn't doing something right.
LunaticPuma
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Shishka said:
So stop having your matchmaking system put a party of people against randoms. Perhaps you should also require everyone to have a mic when they enter a team playlist? How about disallowing private chats too?
Seems like everyone missed my point completely which is okay since it's all the regulars. Use some sense people... Not everyone has a friend's list that is brimming with people waiting to play with you in matchmaking. Deciding to play a few random games shouldn't be a pain because you're not part of party.
My original point: Last Resort or Valhalla are more strategic and less skill oriented than some of the smaller maps due to their size.
That would fundamentally break matchmaking. It's sometimes tricky to get games going in the playlists with small populations as it is, and closing the party restrictions would make it almost impossible. That was one of the ongoing issues with RBTB. It's one of those areas where there is no ideal solution. But in my experience, half the time I'm on a team that's mostly made up of a party, and half the time I'm not. It works out.LunaticPuma said:
I think we got your point. But here you're contradicting your previous paragraph. On the one hand, you hate being on a team of randoms placed against a team consisting of a party. On the other hand, here you are arguing that not everyone has a big friends list - which supports the notion that solo players should be able to find a game easily. It's exactly this balance that Bungie has to strike in matchmaking.
Map control is just as critical on The Pit as it is on Sandtrap. A team that uses the proper tactics to spread and control any map will do better than one that does not, regardless of the size of the map.
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Revengeance said:
I can't quite put my finger on why.......but I like you
Some people just do not know what is good and what is not. Apparently the only thing that people want is to blow shit up. (slayer) but what is funny is that in the rare occasional CTF and Bomb games that we end up playing, majority of the players are playing "slayer" rather than worrying about the flag or bomb. So its not as if they should worry that the "gametype" is not slayer, CTF on Valhalla is so damn awesome and its a shame we have it vetoed as frequently as it does due to some jerks.Chinner said:
I don't understand why they wouldn't release veto data. I think it would definitely help explain some of the more controversial decisions they've made and in turn relieve some of the frustration those players feel.GhaleonEB said:
You got jumped, son.LunaticPuma said:
I kinda see your point now though. I disagree with a lot of the things you've said still. Encouraging teamwork should not an trait that counts against a map. You're problem lies in the MM process. I'll agree here, teaming parties with randoms rarely leads to a fair fight. I can honestly say that if I didn't have any groups to regularly play with I'd have probably given up Halo for another game. I find it frustrating as hell and rarely have fun losing because of randoms' actions. Halo is such a win/lose game that if you're not winning then you accomplish nothing and this can lead to many a sadface and Halo to CoD converts.
Revengeance
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:lol It's funny how much my perceptions of the maps have changed as I've played. I used to hate Isolation, now I tolerate it, almost like it. I used to love Epitaph (so pretty), but that opinion changed quick. Valhalla went from neutral to amazing, and so on.Cap7ain Blood said:
Also, to Puma, if you're nice, and a good team player, it's pretty easy to party up with strangers and work well as a team. Then just decline their friend request later
LunaticPuma
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GhaleonEB said:
I understand the contraints. I just found it funny how everyone was focused on my statement that teams will beat randoms which is an obvious statement. I wasn't debating that point at all.
GhaleonEB said:
I wasn't trying to open up the matchmaking debate. I was simply saying that larger maps exacerbate the teams vs. randoms dilemma. There was a heavy hint of sarcasm that may not have come across in my first paragraph.
GhaleonEB said:
It's an obvious statement that map control matters for Halo. I just personally think map control is more important for some maps than others.
LunaticPuma
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Any chance of having a playlist similar to the minor clan battles from Halo 2? I absolutely loved 3v3 or 4v4 with a mix of objective and slayer.
Does Bungie have any plans to help increase the population for Team Objective? It's really hard to find a match with a party of 4 ranked in the upper 30s. I would love a playlist dedicated to only CTF games.
Does Bungie have any plans to help increase the population for Team Objective? It's really hard to find a match with a party of 4 ranked in the upper 30s. I would love a playlist dedicated to only CTF games.
The Librarian
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More Covies in BTB please.
Ghaleon has my back!
Ghaleon has my back!
The Lamonster
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wow, that is PERFECT for BTB. Looks like Halo 2 BTB, which was sublime.Nutter said:
all we need now is Terminal and Waterworks :'(
The Librarian
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The only good thing about Terminal was the train, that's it.The Lamonster said:
EazyB said:
This is why I stopped playing Halo. Most of my friends don't have 360's so my online play mostly consist of random mm. Halo random games suck and for the most part is why I stopped playing. Last night was the first time in a long time I join a group of people and played with them the rest of the night. That was by far the most fun I have ever had playing Halo. Actually playing as a team and communicating made a world of difference.
I don't know what it is but for me atleast it seems the Halo pug scene just sucks compared to anything I have played. I have no idea why but COD4 doesn't seem as bad. Last night made me see what Halo 3 multi can really be.
Each one of your quenched complaints would be replaced by the blood-curdling screams of one angry elite.Nutter said:In all honesty. Bring back Midship and I will never complain again!
I feel ya man. The only thing you can do is be a decent team-player and hope you can get randomly matched up with similar players. Send friend requests to those players and see if you can't establish a group. COD4 is nice to go in by yourself because winning and losing don't matter; everyone gets points regardless. You can just hop into a game midway, run around lone-wolf style and spray a few guys down and rank up. There's something to be said about that kind of laid back, casual-friendly experience.KiKaL said:
Revengeance
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I'm probably late to the spam party here, but have you guys been getting chain mail recon messages?
It's a screenshot of some dude standing there with recon, and the message, titled RECON5 claims that if you recommend the screenshot to 50 people you'll get recon. At first, it was amusing, now that I've got like 10 of them, from random people, it's not so much.
It's a screenshot of some dude standing there with recon, and the message, titled RECON5 claims that if you recommend the screenshot to 50 people you'll get recon. At first, it was amusing, now that I've got like 10 of them, from random people, it's not so much.
Dr. Zoidberg
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Played a good bit of H3 multi over the past couple of days with the new maps and I really, REALLY like avalanche.
Anyway, here's two complaints I have with H3 and these expansion maps.
A) Why does it take so long to load these things off the HDD? And in matchmaking this takes twice as long (seemingly) and the "progress bar" comes and goes.
B) Why not declare the match and gametype, ask for vetos, THEN load the damn thing if needed. As it is it loads the map which takes several minutes, then it gets vetoed 60% of the time, and it takes several more minutes to load the replacement. Stupid! Ask for Veto BEFORE loading the map.
Anyway, here's two complaints I have with H3 and these expansion maps.
A) Why does it take so long to load these things off the HDD? And in matchmaking this takes twice as long (seemingly) and the "progress bar" comes and goes.
B) Why not declare the match and gametype, ask for vetos, THEN load the damn thing if needed. As it is it loads the map which takes several minutes, then it gets vetoed 60% of the time, and it takes several more minutes to load the replacement. Stupid! Ask for Veto BEFORE loading the map.
The Librarian
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Gemini>Midship
I agree- when you're on a losing streak/playing badly, Halo 3 can be extremely frustrating. But on the flip side, when you win- you feel pretty damn good.
I guess that's why a while ago I learned to sop caring about rank and the like, and generally stick to socials. For me, fucking around with TGS or others in BTB or DLC is infinitely more fun than trying to get to 50.
I guess that's why a while ago I learned to sop caring about rank and the like, and generally stick to socials. For me, fucking around with TGS or others in BTB or DLC is infinitely more fun than trying to get to 50.
The Librarian
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Ah Yoda. The only Star Wars character that isn't shitty.Voltron64 said:That is why you fail.
I never understood the love for Midship. I had much more fun with Gemini.Nutter said:
The Librarian
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Amen to that.Chinner said:
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