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[sixthsubset]

hey guys i made a blog real quick for posting all of sandbox maps that gaf has made, because its so difficult to sort through them and actually know what you're downloading.

if anybody likes the idea i'll keep updating it, and if anybody wants their map(s) on there just let me know

here it is

 

[Willeth]

hey guys i made a blog real quick for posting all of sandbox maps that gaf has made, because its so difficult to sort through them and actually know what you're downloading.

if anybody likes the idea i'll keep updating it, and if anybody wants their map(s) on there just let me know

here it is

Good idea, but seems like a Wiki would work better for that.

 

[sixthsubset]

Good idea, but seems like a Wiki would work better for that.

whats a good wiki site? ill try it

 

[Tashi]

damn juices you're a 41 in Legendary brawl? that's insane.

 

[The Librarian]

hey guys i made a blog real quick for posting all of sandbox maps that gaf has made, because its so difficult to sort through them and actually know what you're downloading.

if anybody likes the idea i'll keep updating it, and if anybody wants their map(s) on there just let me know

here it is

That's a really good idea, and you don't need a Wiki for it. It's fine the way it is.

 

[Grimm Fandango]

I'm liking the ideas of the hidden veto count. I don't think it would hurt it if it was tried out for a bit, maybe in a separate playlist. Like a beta thing.




Completely off-topic: how is Halo GAF enjoying RE5? I'm loving it.

 

[Kibbles]

and in other news, the first version of the next Grifball court is almost ready

the map still needs a few tweaks as a result of today's test so i don't have anything for you to download just yet

until then, here are some pics (click on first pic for slideshow/hires)

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Very nice... must've been a bitch to get all those walls strait.

 

[Kuroyume]

This would be terrible. We would be playing the same 2 or 3 maps over and over again and the only gametype we would ever play would be team slayer. There would be no variety whatsoever.

The current setup is fine, IMO. I also thought that the setup in H2 was fine, so what do I know?

Let people play what they want to play.

 

[backflip10019]

I'm liking the ideas of the hidden veto count. I don't think it would hurt it if it was tried out for a bit, maybe in a separate playlist. Like a beta thing.

Yeah I think it would be neat to test out, too. Too bad that Bungie doesn't "do" that kind of stuff.

 

[sixthsubset]

That's a really good idea, and you don't need a Wiki for it. It's fine the way it is.

ok, well it's up to date now, and it's all labelled. any comments, feedback is appreciated

if anybody's map is up there and they want pictures or have a description for it, post them and ill put them up.

here it is again: Halo 3 GAF Maps Database

 

[NOKYARD]

Very nice... must've been a bitch to get all those walls strait.

it was - and i added several new 16 letter words (4+4+4+4) to my vocabulary as a result

here it is again: Halo 3 GAF Maps Database

since i can't post this at Forgehub until it is officially announced as the next Grifball court you might as well add it to the Halo 3 GAF list

Grifball Palace v0.18

 

[TimeLike]

sorry im late on this

for sanctuary i liked the looks of http://www.forgehub.com/forum/competitive-maps/59952-exult.html, especially the middle, though imo the crypt is too small for sanctuary, and i believe somebody's working on one on the middle level, so we'll see how that turns out.

for wizard imo wizlock looks better. mage is too big compared and the middle platform is too low.

not trying to rain on anyone's parade i'm just going off the pictures and from impressions from other people i trust, so i could be wrong. keep up the forging guys

OMG that grifball court looks AMAZING

I tried these two out and I say that the Sactuary remake is pretty damn good. I really dig the use of the decorative lighting. I'd vote this being a little shinier than the HaloGaf version.

As for Wizlock, I didn't like it nearly as much as Bladed's Mage. It was blockier and felt smaller and had Maulers on it.

And big thanks to NOKYARD for the link to the new Griffball court. It's queued up and ready to rock. Can't wait to see the cabriolet version!

 

[EazyB]

Probably ancient, but "Wise fwom yo gwave!"

:lol
Almost forgot that was my map for a second.

hey guys i made a blog real quick for posting all of sandbox maps that gaf has made, because its so difficult to sort through them and actually know what you're downloading.

if anybody likes the idea i'll keep updating it, and if anybody wants their map(s) on there just let me know

here it is

The blog seems like a nice way of keeping track of our maps.

I'm going to stop updating my list unless anyone prefers to have it or both.

 

[LunaticPuma]

Smashed is the most broken map in the history of Halo.

How the hell does this shit make it into matchmaking? I mean honestly.

 

[EazyB]

My dad still plays this game every single day and is only a 16 right now. He has played something like 3000 games and can't seem to get the hang of it.

You should check out his scores..

GT: Nintendo Wii

There's nothing wrong with sticking around lvl 16 if that's where he finds the most appropriate competition. And judging from his K/D he doesn't need to be ranked any higher right now. I did notice that the BR is only his 13th most used weapon though. If he really wants to improve his game he should learn to use and love that weapon and try to practice his long range play.

 

[sixthsubset]

since i can't post this at Forgehub until it is officially announced as the next Grifball court you might as well add it to the Halo 3 GAF list

Grifball Palace v0.18

ok its up

 

[vhfive]

sorry im late on this

for sanctuary i liked the looks of http://www.forgehub.com/forum/competitive-maps/59952-exult.html, especially the middle, though imo the crypt is too small for sanctuary, and i believe somebody's working on one on the middle level, so we'll see how that turns out.

so i ran around exult and honestly it is not that different from my version. i think my version is a little

Spoiler

and i do mean a very little

truer to the actual map. the similarities between the maps are ridiculous. his main base is basically a copy of mine

Spoiler

or mine of his

, his sniper base is a little bigger than mine (i'm talking one block) otherwise its the same, the middle section is very similar to my middle section. the main difference is plains, he has one big rock, i have a bunch of little ones. its probably

Spoiler

read definitely

because im biased but i think mine is better but like i said the maps are so similar its really hard to say one is better than the other

 

[sixthsubset]

I tried these two out and I say that the Sactuary remake is pretty damn good. I really dig the use of the decorative lighting. I'd vote this being a little shinier than the HaloGaf version.

As for Wizlock, I didn't like it nearly as much as Bladed's Mage. It was blockier and felt smaller and had Maulers on it.

i think that was how small warlock was, but it might actually be better if it were a little bigger considering halo 3's short game isn't as cool 1 or 2's (bxbxbxrxbxrar) and it just results in both people dying most of the time.

how many maulers? at the very most there should be 2

so i ran around exult and honestly it is not that different from my version. i think my version is a little

Spoiler

and i do mean a very little

truer to the actual map. the similarities between the maps are ridiculous. his main base is basically a copy of mine

Spoiler

or mine of his

, his sniper base is a little bigger than mine (i'm talking one block) otherwise its the same, the middle section is very similar to my middle section. the main difference is plains, he has one big rock, i have a bunch of little ones. its probably

Spoiler

read definitely

because im biased but i think mine is better but like i said the maps are so similar its really hard to say one is better than the other

well, we'll see when 10,000 more sanctuaries come out

 

[Nutter]

Smashed is the most broken map in the history of Halo.

How the hell does this shit make it into matchmaking? I mean honestly.

It got "in" because the guy who made it actually submitted his map. So how about submitting better maps?

 

[Mr Vociferous]

Anyone, by chance, know who's managing Halo 2's matchmaking?

 

[vhfive]

i think that was how small warlock was, but it might actually be better if it were a little bigger considering halo 3's short game isn't as cool 1 or 2's (bxbxbxrxbxrar) and it just results in both people dying most of the time.

how many maulers? at the very most there should be 2



well, we'll see when 10,000 more sanctuaries come out

oh i know there will be tons of sanctuaries some worse some better than my map. i just felt as if i had to defend my map

 

[GhaleonEB]

Anyone, by chance, know who's managing Halo 2's matchmaking?

Matchmaking or the playlists? I thought the playlists had been fixed since Halo 3 came out. I'm assuming the matchmaking is on a kind of autopilot.

 

[sixthsubset]

It got "in" because the guy who made it actually submitted his map. So how about submitting better maps?

Personally I wouldn't really want to go through all that work getting gameplay videos up, writing paragraphs about a map, and jumping through all the flaming hoops just to post a map that Shishka doesn't comment on and doesn't explain why it can't be in matchmaking

That's what happened to flux and regicide, and those are 2 of the best forged maps ever... I think alot of forgers feel that it's a lost cause, especially considering Shishka is anti-forgehub

oh i know there will be tons of sanctuaries some worse some better than my map. i just felt as if i had to defend my map

Oh, the only reason I really posted about it is because somebody was demanding that your sanctuary and Mage should be put in matchmaking, and I was like "uhhhh, shouldn't we wait to see how they compare to the coming onslaught of remakes?"

 

[Thermite]

Personally I wouldn't really want to go through all that work getting gameplay videos up, writing paragraphs about a map, and jumping through all the flaming hoops just to post a map that Shishka doesn't comment on and doesn't explain why it can't be in matchmaking

That's what happened to flux and regicide, and those are 2 of the best forged maps ever... I think alot of forgers feel that it's a lost cause, especially considering Shishka is anti-forgehub

lolwut

 

[EazyB]

lolwut

Shiska's avatar on his forgehub account reads: "Fire forgehub"

 

[sixthsubset]

lolwut

I'll try and find the link but there was a big fight when forgehub was really angry about Smashed getting into matchmaking and were posting about how terrible it was, and then Shishka banned some of them from Atlas and said some stuff about forgehub being too elitist and dramatic. Nothing really made alot of sense though

 

[kylej]

Smashed is the most broken map in the history of Halo.

How the hell does this shit make it into matchmaking? I mean honestly.

shishka™

 

[Thermite]

Shiska's avatar on his forgehub account reads: "Fire forgehub"

:lol :lol :lol

I'll try and find the link but there was a big fight when forgehub was really angry about Smashed getting into matchmaking and were posting about how terrible it was, and then Shishka banned some of them from Atlas and said some stuff about forgehub being too elitist and dramatic. Nothing really made alot of sense though

Yeah, gonna need a link to that. What's Atlas, btw?

 

[sixthsubset]

Yeah, gonna need a link to that. What's Atlas, btw?

ok found it

i can't find the topic where the guy reviews smashed, but that's shishka's response to it. im pretty sure the review was very similar to the top in this thread on mlg forge forums

atlas is the group on bungie for submitting maps for matchmaking

 

[KevinRo]

It got "in" because the guy who made it actually submitted his map. So how about submitting better maps?

I don't like the idea of having to join a group and make my post perfect like i'm fucking doing my taxes.

This is bullshit, if shishka is doing is job right why do we have to go to him. He should be lurking forums like forgehub and downloading the cool maps that those people devout most of their halo time to making. Not the other way around. It is kind of obvious something is wrong when he bans people from his retarded ass club so he can imagine his penis getting bigger ->

 

[kylej]

Of all the maps to defend shaniqua chooses smashed are you kidding me that map is a grade A turd.

Shiska trying to be the big man in that letter. how hilarious. you show those halo 3 map makers you rising star you.

 

[Merguson]

Shiska's avatar on his forgehub account reads: "Fire forgehub"

:lol Forgehub fail

 

[backflip10019]

I don't like the idea of having to join a group and make my post perfect like i'm fucking doing my taxes.

This is bullshit, if shishka is doing is job right why do we have to go to him. He should be lurking forums like forgehub and downloading the cool maps that those people devout most of their halo time to making. Not the other way around. It is kind of obvious something is wrong when he bans people from his retarded ass club so he can imagine his penis getting bigger ->

I agree entirely.

Because of how lax Shishka is about going out and actually trying to find new maps, he's basically giving the map-creating community the middle finger.

 

[KevinRo]

hah that and the catcher in the rye were the greatest books i read in high school.

back to halo. i think shishka needs to have a reality check and needs to learn to have tolerance of others. not allowing interlocking and geolocking or w/e it's called into a matchmaking map is wrong. look at amplitude and onslaught in the mlg playlist. it's shown that a 4v4 gametype can support these glitched maps perfectly.

they have had to fix their maps a billion times and test them. look how smooth and awesome it plays for that playlist. other than the spawn points that cannot be fixed, they created a map(onslaught) that is arguably better than 1/2 of the map released in halo3.

seriously, after reading his retarded message there are some things i liked and some things i didn't.

what i liked:

Atlas was born specifically because groups like yours cannot be trusted to provide Matchmaking-worthy maps. This group is clique-agnostic to avoid scenarios where one group and its personal expectations of its members does not poison the possibilities.

cant agree 100% more. that's why you guys created a user created playlist like MLG right? so groups like mlg will stop asking for their maps to be allowed into matchmaking a whatnot. wait, why isn't there a forgehub created playlist then? MINDAMFUCKINGBLOWN

what i didn't:

in the future I'll be very careful to make sure any ForgeHub submissions are closely looked at to make sure we don't accidentally give someone as full of themselves as you are vindication for their ego.

...

You've convinced me that you're exactly the last kind of person I'd ever want to put on a pedestal. You're so busy making sure you meet ForgeHub's checklist of exploits that you can't even take the time to make sure your own spawns overlap.

...

If you cannot be constructive to anyone that doesn't follow your clique's ideals, you don't belong here. If you're more invested in making sure boxes are lined up than you are in making sure your spawns are placed correctly, you don't belong here.

alienating a group that basically saved forge from being a complete bust and not allowing them to get the attention they deserve for devoting alot of their time to making maps especially when most of their maps are miles better than smashed... is not a good idea ->

i like how he is critical of a spawn point and correlates that to them being critical of a box out of place. news flash shishka, fixing a spawn point and a fucked up box is not a good point to argue. spawn points can take a minute or two to fix then test. a fucked up box could mess up the gameplay completely. it will not only look stupid it will most likely take hours to test and fix ->

if you guys don't want a clique 'infecting' the bungie.net population why not let them create their own playlist. you did that for mlg, it only makes sense for this to be applied in the same way ->

 

[Domino Theory]

A revelation of stuff

...Holy shit.

That's who we have running matchmaking? Oh man.

 

[Mr Vociferous]

Matchmaking or the playlists?

Both I guess, I mean I never really made the distinction between the two, didn't know there was much management of matchmaking except for the playlists themselves. I got to play some Halo 2 and Halo 3 today and I was shocked by the number of playlists in H2. For some reason I anticipated that Bungie would have used fewer playlists after Halo 3, to allow Halo 2's population in each playlist to be healthy. Didn't take a huge amount of time to find a match in rumble, but I'm curious what would have happened in the others.

 

[sixthsubset]

I agree entirely.

Because of how lax Shishka is about going out and actually trying to find new maps, he's basically giving the map-creating community the middle finger.

its sad because to me its looks like its completely possible to make matchmaking really fun for all players but bungie really just isn't doing anything to do that

 

[xxjuicesxx]

I got an idea...leave warthogs out of Legendary Brawl since its an FFA. Nothing better than getting raped by a guy being boosted by his friend on a warthog.

 

[EazyB]

if you guys don't want a clique 'infecting' the bungie.net population why not let them create their own playlist. you did that for mlg, it only makes sense for this to be applied in the same way ->

Gimme a playlist too shiska, I want my maps on the internet plzzzzzzzzzzz!


I read all that a while ago and while I disagree with him about some things and think merging is incredibly important for a map's overall playability (see the god-awful center of Smashed), I do think a lot of forgehubbers place forge trickery over a map's feel and playability too much. That said they are still probably the best source to find community maps it's just that within that community certain maps get highlighted over others oftentimes just because they do something really tricky with merging.

 

[sixthsubset]

I read all that a while ago and while I disagree with him about some things and think merging is incredibly important for a map's overall playability (see the god-awful center of Smashed), I do think a lot of forgehubbers place forge trickery over a map's feel and playability too much. That said they are still probably the best source to find community maps it's just that within that community certain maps get highlighted over others oftentimes just because they do something really tricky with merging.

but its not difficult to sort out the bs on forgehub and find the diamonds, at all.

and after that if something on the map is not to par than just pm the creator and ask them to fix it. its not rocket science

 

[KevinRo]

Gimme a playlist too shiska, I want my maps on the internet plzzzzzzzzzzz!

You missed the point.

Bungie should tell them, "hey, we'll give you a playlist to stfu and stop bothering us. start working on some maps. if we deem them appropriate, we'll work with you to get them into your own playlist to be playable".

that way shishka won't have be called out on forums only to be labeled by many as incompetent and no particular clique will 'infect' or "poison" the bungie.net population. not only will these forgers spend more time knowing that their map will be played by thousands. they'll have some satisfaction know that they actually did something with their life ->

ONTOP of that, the bungie.net population can take their time to design and submit their maps to Atlas without their members being infiltrated and their opinions swayed by forgehub. this playlist will most likley come out in a couple of months anyways so it gives bungie a good lull in activity until ODST comes out. i see it as a win-win situation.

 

[Tashi]

I got an idea...leave warthogs out of Legendary Brawl since its an FFA. Nothing better than getting raped by a guy being boosted by his friend on a warthog.

lol really? what a fuckin joke.

Also, KevinRo, great post.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

Theres no reason ForgeHub should get its own playlist.

There is a reason that the best community made maps should get its own playlist. (Sheranda)

Theres no reason why this hasn't happened yet.

 

[LunaticPuma]

It got "in" because the guy who made it actually submitted his map. So how about submitting better maps?

How about not accepting shitty maps?

I'm not arguing that some other map should be in its spot. I'm saying that it shouldn't be there in the first place.

 

[Captain Blood]

You missed the point.

Bungie should tell them, "hey, we'll give you a playlist to stfu and stop bothering us. start working on some maps. if we deem them appropriate, we'll work with you to get them into your own playlist to be playable".

that way shishka won't have be called out on forums only to be labeled by many as incompetent and no particular clique will 'infect' or "poison" the bungie.net population. not only will these forgers spend more time knowing that their map will be played by thousands. they'll have some satisfaction know that they actually did something with their life ->

ONTOP of that, the bungie.net population can take their time to design and submit their maps to Atlas without their members being infiltrated and their opinions swayed by forgehub. this playlist will most likley come out in a couple of months anyways so it gives bungie a good lull in activity until ODST comes out. i see it as a win-win situation.

Yea but the problem then is where does it stop forge hub, neogaf, TTL... not every online group can have their own playlist it doesn't make sense.

 

[EazyB]

You missed the point.

Bungie should tell them, "hey, we'll give you a playlist to stfu and stop bothering us. start working on some maps. if we deem them appropriate, we'll work with you to get them into your own playlist to be playable".

MLG got it's own playlist because it's a very different playing experience. Not only do they have their own foundry maps but they've also tweaked the existing maps, gametypes, and play mechanics. On top of all of that the MLG is probably the most organized Halo organization with not only a website but also many MLG sanctioned events. The MLG playlist was not added because people bitched about it in enough volume that Bungie or Shiska became overwhelmed and just had to add it. It was added because it brought a lot to the matchmaking experience and is controlled by a very organized and polished people (those in charge of MLG Halo, not the embarrassing MLG forum goers).

Forgehub is a great resource but doesn't have the organization necessary to control a playlist of their own.

that way shishka won't have be called out on forums only to be labeled by many as incompetent and no particular clique will 'infect' or "poison" the bungie.net population. not only will these forgers spend more time knowing that their map will be played by thousands. they'll have some satisfaction know that they actually did something with their life ->

I'm sure Shishka is desperately searching for a solution which'll stop random forum posters from saying mean and hurtful things about him. It probably keeps him up at night...

ONTOP of that, the bungie.net population can take their time to design and submit their maps to Atlas without their members being infiltrated and their opinions swayed by forgehub. this playlist will most likley come out in a couple of months anyways so it gives bungie a good lull in activity until ODST comes out. i see it as a win-win situation.

Instead of a forgehub playlist I believe it'd be much more appropriate to have something labeled "Community Playground" where maps that may be good enough for general matchmaking are placed and tested. These sorts of matches could be for no exp and counted as custom games if for whatever reason they want to further distinguish them from matchmaking. The maps would be gathered from forgehub, other community sites, and Bnet. Feedback could be gathered after a month or so based on veto data or just forum feedback.

 

[Domino Theory]

Instead of a forgehub playlist I believe it'd be much more appropriate to have something labeled "Community Playground" where maps that may be good enough for general matchmaking are placed and tested. These sorts of matches could be for no exp and counted as custom games if for whatever reason they want to further distinguish them from matchmaking. The maps would be gathered from forgehub, other community sites, and Bnet. Feedback could be gathered after a month or so based on veto data or just forum feedback.

Hey, that sounds like a great idea. I remember a while back when they first said that Public Custom Games was canned because they felt people would only play that and the rest of MM would be ignored, but the whole "no EXP earned" idea sounds like a great solution to that (you know how much them Halo players love EXP! ). Although I guess another name for it could be Team Actionsack, which was teased to us ages ago on a podcast.

 

[Grimm Fandango]

Instead of a forgehub playlist I believe it'd be much more appropriate to have something labeled "Community Playground" where maps that may be good enough for general matchmaking are placed and tested. These sorts of matches could be for no exp and counted as custom games if for whatever reason they want to further distinguish them from matchmaking. The maps would be gathered from forgehub, other community sites, and Bnet. Feedback could be gathered after a month or so based on veto data or just forum feedback.

Sounds good.

Because frankly I think it's ridiculous to have something like Forge and not use its potential for online gaming.

 

[vhfive]

the biggest problem is that we were teased an actionsack playlist. if bungie had said at the beginning that they won't accept user created content or even said nothing at all this wouldn't have been a problem. but instead we get this cock tease that now i'm doubtful will ever show up.


also tundra has merging

 

[alisdair]

I think ATLAS is an awesome idea. I just wonder why we haven't seen any of the great submissions make it through. I read the forum every now and then and I don't think Shishka ever makes public posts saying what's wrong with a map. Regicide and Flux are two examples of maps that play excellently, met all the submission guidelines, but have been ignored.

Maybe things will get much better now that Sandbox is here.

also tundra has merging

And a giant hole in the left side of one of the bases that you can fall into and get stuck for the entire game. Which is a better fate than actually playing the game out, to be fair.