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The Official Halo 3 Thread
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Ramirez said:
This.
The Librarian
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I hope this picture that I found makes up for my lack of sexiness in the bolt area.Botolf said:
And here is the same picture with the brightness turned down considerably:
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Botolf said:
No, a better description of this thread would be: During times when there's pretty much no news at all, it turns into a loosely-connected-to-Halo IM chat between everyone, except you have to imagine an IM chat where people pop in to whine about the IM chat periodically.JdFoX187 said:
The Librarian
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This.the disgruntled gamer said:
About Team Objective, is VIP not included in one of the choices, or what? I have been playing TO all day and haven't encountered a single game of VIP yet.
Dax, honestly ask your self, do you want this thread closed?
If not, then you are not helping by posting about every little damn thing. (I swear everytime I log on to GAF, i see last post made by dax.)
Anyway, regarding the whole campaign kill count, we have added only 6 million kills since this morning.
If not, then you are not helping by posting about every little damn thing. (I swear everytime I log on to GAF, i see last post made by dax.)
Anyway, regarding the whole campaign kill count, we have added only 6 million kills since this morning.
The Librarian
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*sighs* No, of course not. You're right, I'm sorry, sometimes I can just be so impetuous when it comes to posting.Nutter said:
DancingJesus
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Nutter said:
I think the Double EXP playlist hurt the count a bit, but hopefully it'll pick up over the weekend.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
"3-low" ball was the most confusing game I've ever played. Domino, Dirtbag and I didn't even understand how to score until the end of the game.
Actually, there's less people in the hopper than the usual double exp weekend, at least from the two times I looked in on it. In my experience, it's been at least ~25,000 on an evening for infection. It was about 20,000 the first time, and 18,000 the second. Granted, it's not the weekend, but we'll see how well this does.
Actually, there's less people in the hopper than the usual double exp weekend, at least from the two times I looked in on it. In my experience, it's been at least ~25,000 on an evening for infection. It was about 20,000 the first time, and 18,000 the second. Granted, it's not the weekend, but we'll see how well this does.
<333]So I did get some feedback on the scope for this thread, but it left some room for ambiguity. So let's talk about it.
My proposal is that we make a (new) thread in the Online forum. The thread would focus on multiplayer, specifically two aspects of MP:
1) Arranging for games: Asking for MP partners, yelling "get on guys!", getting teams together. You know, scheduling. This applies to co-op as well. This is the part that *must* move out of this thread.
2) Post-game discussion. That awesome stick you did? Talk about it there. Story posts (like I'm so fond of) after MP - post'em there. Ditto with Urk's films and MLG clips.
This thread would be used for:
General Halo discussion, including Campaign, features, Weekly Updates, etc. As long as the scope isn't focused on getting games going, or how those games went.
The wiggle room is in stuff like new maps, general discussion of Multiplayer (BR vs SMG, etc.). I'm not sure how we should address those. My thought it we should have as clean a break between the threads as possible. Thoughts?
My proposal is that we make a (new) thread in the Online forum. The thread would focus on multiplayer, specifically two aspects of MP:
1) Arranging for games: Asking for MP partners, yelling "get on guys!", getting teams together. You know, scheduling. This applies to co-op as well. This is the part that *must* move out of this thread.
2) Post-game discussion. That awesome stick you did? Talk about it there. Story posts (like I'm so fond of) after MP - post'em there. Ditto with Urk's films and MLG clips.
This thread would be used for:
General Halo discussion, including Campaign, features, Weekly Updates, etc. As long as the scope isn't focused on getting games going, or how those games went.
The wiggle room is in stuff like new maps, general discussion of Multiplayer (BR vs SMG, etc.). I'm not sure how we should address those. My thought it we should have as clean a break between the threads as possible. Thoughts?
The Librarian
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Well, since the thread will be in the online/match-up forum, then the thread there should be kept to just matching up for online games, and the discussions of those games afterward as you have said. New maps, general discussion of multiplayer, should go here.GhaleonEB said:
I agree. The online forum, if I understand it correctly, is more meant to be a meetup and play online forum than an "everything multiplayer" forum. Map discussion, multiplayer balance discussion, etc should go here I think.Dax01 said:
So, "Hey Oml3t (Eazy's alt) do you want to get on and play?" > Online forum.
"I don't understand why Bungie insists on placing so many Plasma Pistols on every map. The thing is such a god weapon." > here.
At least, that seems like the best solution to me.
I'm assuming what you suggested was not a demand of the mods but instead a well thought out proposal of what you think would be appropriate. I would still like something official-ish but that's not saying your ideas aren't great.GhaleonEB said:
I still don't like the idea of cleaving apart this
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Yet the idea of an all things not online player searching would not solve the problems this thread faces (and the only possible reason why the mods wouldn't just leave us alone):
It's hard to find specific information in a thread with such a variety of content,
People not religiously browsing the thread will miss out on lots of the news,
and newcomers are sometimes treated poorly in such a close community.
That said, I realize these issues but think that with this systems there are benefits that arguably outweigh these problems:
For those that are very dedicated and interested Halo players (which IMO should be the ones the forum caters to) this thread is probably the best setup. We don't mind wading through the pages of MP discussion to get to SP content conversations and vice-versa. We are a group which consists of players that are either interested in both or they respect the other aspect enough to sit through it.
It's been discussed before but it's worth bringing up. Bungie has crafted the Halo experience in such a way that blur the lines between MP and SP. I will not bother spelling it out as it's been done before but there is evidence of this in the discussion we have here. Conversations that begin with talking about getting some people online may end up talking about the results of the matches which can lead to general MP discussion and may even bleed into talk of the campaign or co-op.
I honestly think that by moving anything into the online discussion forum would effectively be cutting that topic's discussion from GAF. The Halo 3 online thread was tried before and it failed for a reason. It was inconvenient (even if only to the slightest degree) and there was a disconnect between knowing who'd potentially want to play with and who was asking to play. Let me spell out that last one as it probably makes no sense as it stands. We have a lot of dedicated posters in this thread that seem to be very rational people. We also post in here enough to give regular posters a rough idea about the person's character: do they seem nice, funny, respectful, etc. We then base who we want to group with on this knowledge of them. After a heated BR vs AR discussion we may feel like getting together and playing some MP. The problem with having multiple threads is that while these types of types of interactions are not impossible, there will be a disconnect that will either prevent or at least diminish these.
I have an obvious bias because I am a frequent poster and I have time to skim through the thread (due to the fact that I rarely venture outside it). I still think that this thread serves is set up to serve its purpose best but of course its up to the entire community as to which direction we take.
High-fives for anyone that's read this far.
GOD DAMN SON!EazyB said:
I Agree with everything you posted. So in effect basically I think we should keep this thread as is, Unless the mods are ok with the new threads popping up every week regarding updates to bungie, playlist updates and any other sort of news. Which i am pretty sure they wont like. And besides I am confused as to why we cant be just left alone? it is not like we are creating a billion threads for our little bits of news unlike how other games are allowed. (cough, GTA, MGS, cough) So why not just let us discuss everything halo and beyond in our little thread. It would be the same as any NBA or NFL thread, Everything is discussed in those threads, even heated arguements.
Is it me or did someone else also imagine a pink elite talking while reading eazy's post?
Actually, I think that are pretty open to newcomers in general. I mean, most of us were newcomers to the HaloGAF community at some point (except Ghaleon, he's been here since the stone age), and I think we've all taken some shit for various stuff, mostly involving posting behavior: I know I've taken my lumps, Laughtrey did, people involved in AR-BR, Shake and Urk, Buttonbasher... everyone has been smacked around by this community at somepoint. It seems that it's Dax's turn right now as he tried to find his place and feel out what the unwritten rules of this thread are. But in general, we are welcoming, and are always happy to answer questions, plus the latest news is collected in the OP by Ghaleon. Whenever someone is looking for info, someone usually goes and digs it up for them... I think that a lot of posters just refuse to even attempt asking because they're intimidated by the big post count.EazyB said:
I'd also like to note that, as far as I can tell, the reasons you list are not actually why the mods wouldn't leave us alone. In fact, it stems from this. The mods want to seperate the online match set-ups and so forth from the regular gaming board. Nobody wants to be in the slum that is the online board, but they have to live with it. We quietly and gradually abandoned it. This is seen as unfair to the people in, for example, the MGO thread, though they probably don't realize that we get less attention here from new players than we would in the online forum.
the disgruntled gamer said:
Agreed, I just don't see why the mods would care if set up games here other then the fact that it may make looking for non-matchmaking material a tad tougher. Like I said, and you probably realize, the online forum is a wasteland where efficiency and purpose are sent to die. The GAF Halo community is already well established so most of the regulars already have a group of GAFers to play with if they want to play with GAFers. These people wouldn't be effected that much, we have friends lists full of players and we'll just shoot invites from there and never touch the online thread. It's the newcomers that will be hurt by this. Not online would they need to establish themselves in the main thread, but they'd also have to luck out and have a member from an existing group of players wander into the online thread. On a whole it seems like those posting to match up are those without regular groups and they may find a group because members of that group are looking at this thread for non-matchmaking purposes. Separating these two purposes will only lead to making it harder for the new people to find groups.
The only benefit of separating the two would be "cleaning up" the thread making it easier for those to find non-matchmaking posts and provide a place where one can easily get a match started. I know that the "online discussions go here" is a GAF rule but in this case, and probably many others, there are really no benefits to the separation. Those looking for a match will suffer while others wishing to discuss news, issues, SP will be more-or-less unaffected.
Wow. Really good points made by TDG and Eazy. I started out feeling indifferent to the separation but Eazy's got a point (well, several). The idea of splitting up one thread into two and separating one aspect of the game from everything else is ridiculous when everything in Halo 3 is so tightly woven together...
EazyB said:
It should be clear by now that the Halo community is a little more tightly knit than most. It's as much about playing the game itself as it is laughing with your e-friends and then recounting the group's exploits in the aftermath. And new players seem to be almost universally welcomed.
That said, I know of one player who I would talk to off-board who said that this thread was daunting. I would tell him "just post," that no one was going to bite (too hard), but I don't think he knew where to jump in. Though there is a lot of camaraderie, there's also more than a fair share of cliques. Even in friendly matches online, I've had to ask a few times for some GAF people not to boot my friends from parties and others to stop harping on them to play better.
Honestly, I don't think the online thread clears that up. I think with the way the community works, it simply stifles discussion. And I don't think the mods here are asking us to cleave our discussion in half and split the community into two distinct segments. In fact, take a look at the forum descriptions themselves:
Gaming Discussion
Talk about anything and everything videogame related here.
Online / Matchup Forum
The place to schedule meetings and tourneys for all online-enabled games
So, discuss the game here unless you want to solicit players for a quick match, publicly recruit new people to your friends list, or discuss details of an online tournament.
General discussion and community stuff should stay here.
If something newsworthy hits, then start a new thread for it, so it gets the attention it deserves, not just among the ever evolving group in the official thread, but anyone who frequents GAF and wants to discuss gaming.
I'll keep the slash to a minimum. I cannot vouch for Shake.
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This thread has gone meta with discussions about the nature of the thread itself.
Can't we just jibber jabber about Halo 3 in here?
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LukeSmith 484
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Bring it, Scoot.
Can't we just jibber jabber about Halo 3 in here?
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LukeSmith 484
Shake Appeal 482
Bring it, Scoot.
GM Bullfrog
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EazyB said:
Agreed
EazyB said:
As a relative newcomer to GAF and this thread, I enjoy the way it works in here. I didn't find it intimidating to post here. By the time I was finally able to post, I had a good feel for the community since it took nearly 2 months before my account was approved. I have played a handful of games with some of you, and even have a few of you on my friends list now. I am not sure that it would have been as easy to do that with a segregated community.
DancingJesus
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EazyB said:
I couldn't agree more. I think it would be a shame to move out post game stories from this thread. Halo 3 is about the experiences you have together and I think it belongs in here. Even when I was just a lurker here I enjoyed seeing the pictures and sights that everyone got.
Ghaleon's proposals are nice and well thought out and it may seem like it would work great on paper but I think the Online thread would actually be underutilized.
In other news we got about 13 million kills in campaign yesterday.
8:15 AM PST 6,781,591,260 kills June 26
1:15 PM PST 6,785,510,836 kills June 26
6:30 AM PST 6,794,922,722 kills June 26
205,077,278~ To go
I think the ultimate problem with this thread is it's turned into an IM session between some people, as I said last night. Of an evening, it de-evolves into: "Hai, you getting on?" "Yeah, I'll get on!" "Yo, (insert tag) where are you at?" "C'mon guys, get on!" Why not just send messages on Xbox LIVE or instant messenger?
People used to take pride in how many posts the thread has. Yeah, it's got a lot because it's inflated by stupid shit and IM conversations talking about work and things like that. I don't blame the mods for trying to clean up the thread. It's not really fair to other threads.
Metal Gear Solid Online and some of the other online games are enjoyed more by mods than Halo 3, so they'll venture into those threads more often. More of a mod presence means more restrictions on what can be discussed. The only reason the Halo 3 thread wasn't locked months ago is because a mod hardly comes in.
And now, when a mod does come in and wants to clean it up, people are mad? I can understand what you guys are saying. But the rules should be across all threads. The Halo community is no more special than the Warhawk community or the Call of Duty community or any other online game. It may suck that the matchmaking discussion would be relegated to the online board. But unless the mods decide that all games can have online discussion on the general board, I support their efforts to split the discussions. It's only the fair thing to do for everyone.
People used to take pride in how many posts the thread has. Yeah, it's got a lot because it's inflated by stupid shit and IM conversations talking about work and things like that. I don't blame the mods for trying to clean up the thread. It's not really fair to other threads.
Metal Gear Solid Online and some of the other online games are enjoyed more by mods than Halo 3, so they'll venture into those threads more often. More of a mod presence means more restrictions on what can be discussed. The only reason the Halo 3 thread wasn't locked months ago is because a mod hardly comes in.
And now, when a mod does come in and wants to clean it up, people are mad? I can understand what you guys are saying. But the rules should be across all threads. The Halo community is no more special than the Warhawk community or the Call of Duty community or any other online game. It may suck that the matchmaking discussion would be relegated to the online board. But unless the mods decide that all games can have online discussion on the general board, I support their efforts to split the discussions. It's only the fair thing to do for everyone.
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I understand that the online thread should be used for all of the "get on!" type of comments, but talking about played games over there? Like the picture-stories? That's not "scheduling a meeting or tourney." Everything other than "hey guys get on," "I'm on," "when are you getting on," should be over here.
DancingJesus
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Cocopjojo said:
Yea I think we can settle on a compromise like this.
Talk of inviting someone or trying to get people on should be left in the OT.
But sharing of pictures and post game stories should be left in here.
Am I the only one that thinks having an "Online" forum seperate from the "Gaming Discussion" seems a little dated? It seems that more and more games are blurring the lines between online/offline play. I mean what are the mods going to do with Little Big Planet discussion, or Left 4 Dead. Games that may have a single player component, but are basically glorified online games. It just seems like something we are past as a gaming community. It all seems a little short-sided to me.
The compromise you guys suggest sounds great and all, but it won't last.
The compromise you guys suggest sounds great and all, but it won't last.
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Yup, me too. It seems like a lot of work for the mods, and they're fighting a losing battle.Dirtbag 504 said:
You guys make lots of great points. It's a shame that none of the mods read the fucking thread.
If they really are dedicated on breaking the thread up, I think the best course of action would be what Fin suggested a few pages back.
The Halo community on GAF is really close and I don't think it would do too bad moving somewhere more suitable for it.
If they really are dedicated on breaking the thread up, I think the best course of action would be what Fin suggested a few pages back.
movin' on
The Halo community on GAF is really close and I don't think it would do too bad moving somewhere more suitable for it.
Also: To whom it may concern, Godhandiscen told me on IM that he's permanently banned.
The thread is too large for the system to move. They tried archiving it, but it failed due to going over certain size limitations.Dirtbag 504 said:
I'll start a new thread in the Online forum tonight. I'll merge the Gamertag listing thread with the new one (pulling in that content). I think we can whittle the listing down to the active players, and add the new players since I last updated it, so it's a relevant list. I'll continue to update it there so people can find people to play with.
(Other than just looking at who is posting in this thread, that is.)
I agree it's a strange set up, but that's what has been requested by the administration (not the mods - the actual admins). They run the place, so we gotta roll with the rules.
Let's limit the scope of that thread to online hook-ups and post-game trash talk, etc. Stories to share with the general populace, Urk's films, etc. post here for now, unless we get any other feedback.
LAUGHTREY
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LukeSmith said:
He got it because he knows I can't. His girlfriend and I were talking about it one day and he goes "recon, whats that?" I tell him about it and how its basically given on a person-to-person basis and how I want it and he goes "well I could probably get that".
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