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The Last of Us Part II - Review Thread - *NO. SPOILERS. PERIOD.*
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Geki-D
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Oh please. You come back into the thread bringing this completely irrelevant shit up:
At this point your trolling is utterly transparent. You're just here to stir shit.
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PanzerAzel
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A bit of an odd criticism as I've never thought of puzzles as being part of this franchise. Which ones existed in the first?
#Phonepunk#
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from the more critical reviews i am seeing mostly the same conclusion: it's unrepentant murder porn.
tbh that is what turned me off from the first game. it looked nice enough but the combat wasn't that gripping and the violence too realistic for my tastes. i can blast demons all day long in DOOM because they are cartoonish fantasy creatures. seeing a realistic human's face mutilated is not something i want to do a single time, let alone for 25 hours.
sucks seeing the "reviewers scared of violence LOL" lines, as if any and all depictions of violence should be unquestioned because games have always been violent. if a game company is going to exploit realistic violence then it deserves to be part of the discussion. the execution of a theme matters far more than it just having the theme in the first place. and having a theme doesn't make it so you can't criticize it.
on a moral level alone i don't want to support these game makers. for some reason i don't mind giving to Kojima tens of millions of dollars to make abstract pretentious science fiction with Hollywood actors about life and death and the future and stuff. something rubs me the wrong way about giving that kind of money to a guy who is just "hey let's just have killing people, but make it look REALLY REAL"
tbh that is what turned me off from the first game. it looked nice enough but the combat wasn't that gripping and the violence too realistic for my tastes. i can blast demons all day long in DOOM because they are cartoonish fantasy creatures. seeing a realistic human's face mutilated is not something i want to do a single time, let alone for 25 hours.
sucks seeing the "reviewers scared of violence LOL" lines, as if any and all depictions of violence should be unquestioned because games have always been violent. if a game company is going to exploit realistic violence then it deserves to be part of the discussion. the execution of a theme matters far more than it just having the theme in the first place. and having a theme doesn't make it so you can't criticize it.
on a moral level alone i don't want to support these game makers. for some reason i don't mind giving to Kojima tens of millions of dollars to make abstract pretentious science fiction with Hollywood actors about life and death and the future and stuff. something rubs me the wrong way about giving that kind of money to a guy who is just "hey let's just have killing people, but make it look REALLY REAL"
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You can't leave it do You? I've never trolled anyone in my life.
This is a thread about a video game. What are we supposed to do if not discuss it?
Kneel and blindly praise it? Some criticism is fine even with 10/10 games.
You are way too defensive over this. Nobody is taking anything away from you
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Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I mean thats kind of the point, in Last of Us is not suppose to be pleasant killing people but you have to in order to survive. This not like Doom that makes each "killing" rewarding.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I just gave myself a shiver. What if you entered a building and was threatened by a woman. She stands there with a knife stopping you progressing through the section you need to go through. She won't back down no matter how many times you say you do not want to kill her. Eventually you kill her because you can hear the infected have entered the building. You creep forward towards the exit and hear a child crying. There, in the corner of the room is a cot ... What would you do?
Fucking hell!
Fucking hell!
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Violence is great, the more extreme the better.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I would not quantify how the negative reviews and positive ones are brigaded (unless we have an actual measure), but I would say that instead of trying to quantify the quantity of the reaction we should try to assess the actual arguments (when there are arguments) and to see which ones may closely represent your view, until you can actually play the game.
I think most modern reviewers review a game or movie's theme rather than it's story/gameplay/etc. using the intersectional oppression table with the RACISM = PREJUDICE + POWER definition of racism... So obviously given the rest of the ideology they have to do something to address their own internalized racism (if they are white, especially for white guys). Not only that, but if you don't wholefully subscribe to the agenda you are fragile or toxic, if it makes you sad or hurt you in some way you use white tears to silence members of oppressed groups, so on and so forth. These are all rhetorical techniques to silence criticism, and valid criticism there is, people who warned us over the last 20+ years (even 150 years) of the dangers of such movement, how it eventually takes away all the rights that a modern occidental democracy offers is coming to fruition with the current riots in the US--hopefully something good will come out of the current situation because it could spread and definitely take over your country, as many people who lived under some kind of dictatorship can attest, this is coming too close for comfort.
What's the problem with Bioshock Infinite? I never heard of the controversy around its critics scores (however the game bores me, so I never went very far in it).
Explosive Zombie
Banned
There's a bit less to the combat encounters/plasmids/etc. the first BioShock had a lot more tools for you to throw at a situation. The other problem is the story's ending which is incredibly divisive.
Elpidio Valdés
Member
I've been gaming all my life and I've killed some many human NPC's that I'm a certified mass murderer at this point lol. But damned if I didn't flinched and looked away went Ellie stabbed that Asian lady in the trailer. The game looks so realistic and so violent that I don't know if it's for me. Maybe I'm getting old lol. Great reviews though! Congrats to Naughty Dog.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
DId Kotaku and Polygon give lesser scores because of the game itself or because of a sociopolitical agenda?
Saint Boot
Banned
Seriously. Aside from Silent Hill 1 and Nier on the ps3, are there any other console games in which you play as a parent fighting for their kid?
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
For me what standout about original TLOU is how brutal it was, before original game came out on PS3 I don't remember any other Zombie apocalypse games as brutal as bleak as TLOU. It kind of what attracted me to the game in the first place.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
There are currently 84 reviews
81 positive
3 mixed (still good scores)
0 bad
I'm looking through this thread and wondering what the fuck people are talking about.
81 positive
3 mixed (still good scores)
0 bad
I'm looking through this thread and wondering what the fuck people are talking about.
Eevee86
Member
Super Metroid.
Moogle11
Banned
Haven't read the Polygon one, but Kotaku's reviewer praised the "representation" and just didn't enjoy the game as much due to how brutal/violent and depressing it was.
That's a fine opinion in my view. I like brutal, depressing games, movies etc. from time to time. Others don't, and maybe especially now with all the stress and worry in the world with Covid, the protests etc. Good for those folks to have some reviews that tell them that maybe this isn't the game for them or the game for them right now. That Kotaku review still told me that I'll love it given I don't mind the brutality and agreed with all the positives of the game they mentioned.
Krappadizzle
Member
I wouldn't sweat that turd. He thinks he's the thought police and that anyone that says anything negative about Sony is a MSOFT Warrior. He's pathetic, he tried going through my post history yesterday to get me on a "Gotcha" moment of being anti-Sony even though I own ALL the consoles.
Those outlets? Sociopolitical Agenda for sure.
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Soleil rouge
Member
I read the Washington Post review and it gave me hope that the leaks don't actually reflect the game.
Hype levels rising? Still gonna wait for GAF impressions. I trust you guys.
Hype levels rising? Still gonna wait for GAF impressions. I trust you guys.
JCK75
Member
These publications I just don't trust much.. I have a long list of youtube channels that I know are going to give me varied and honest opinions..
so far the vast majority either are a good bit disappointed by this game, or flat out hate it.
Almost every one refers to it as Game of Thrones Season 8
so far the vast majority either are a good bit disappointed by this game, or flat out hate it.
Almost every one refers to it as Game of Thrones Season 8
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Agreed, Infinite felt quite dumbed down compared to 1 and 2. For me it was such a massive dissapointment compared to the first to games and the gameplay videos that were shown before the game launched weren`t exactly the game we got. Doubt that`s the case with TLOU2.
Krappadizzle
Member
The only review I need to see is BioGamerGirl. What'd she have to say?
GodParticle
Member
I've never really been hype for this game and some commentary from the skill up guys confirmed for me that it's more of the same. I was pretty bored of the gameplay loop in the original halfway in and was only in it for the story. I might just wait on this one for later
Danjin44
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I would say it dumb down compare to earlier demo we saw and this is not just simple graphic downgrade, this looks completely different game from what we got.
Allnamestakenlol
Member
Watched the review -- felt it was really well-done and reasonable. Didn't say it was good or bad, really, just that he didn't enjoy it and didn't like it nearly as much as the first one, and went into detail as to why. No review score that I could tell. I can get on board with that style of review.
Aggelos
Member
Who knows... The game received rave reviews and universal-unanimous critical acclaim, and perhaps (like the judges of figure-skating) people are just nitpicking about a ridiculously tiny minority (of reviewers) that expressed their mixed feelings about the game. I mean this game is a brutally strong contender for GOTY, and what crazy year it is, mind you ...
PS4 has gotten 3 GOTY contenders that come in the size of a Behemoth : The Last of Us Part II, FF7 Remake and Ghost of Tsushima.
And there's one more multi-platform game called Cyberpunk 2077 in the horizon, readying itself to become another contender for GOTY.
I mean dude, what kind of of fierce competition for GOTY this is we've got ourselves here. Like clash of the Titans.
FYI, I don't count RE3Remake as a GOTY contender, because the game just came and went like that (it was criticized for various shortcomings such as length, cut content, uncalled-for changes and whatnot). It wasn't bad per se, but it didn't live up to RE2Remake.
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HotPocket69
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THEAP99
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It's a fine review, it's his opinion.
In general, though it seems like to me he isn't the biggest fan of Naughty Dog's style considering he didn't like the first one at launch either. But it is what it is.
I wonder though, if all the people championing his review just because it's negative about the game, agreed with him on his thoughts on the very awful Days Gone, Far Cry 5, tons of videos on Destiny, and maybe even Death Stranding as well.
I somewhat agreed with him on Death Stranding, game was good, but those other games.. Eh, doesn't surprise me he doesn't like Part 2. Also the issues that FF7R had.. yeah
thelastword
Banned
Listen, I've heard many a shout over the years from drunk jealous sailors and FUD artists. ND always delivers and always conquers them......At this point in time ND's seal of approval is the ultimate standard of game creation. No other dev has been so skilled and so consistent in history. Not just gameplay+story, but visuals, animation, sound, physics, great characters. It's easy to see why so many mongers wanted to tear down ND with fake dribbling...
In Druckmann I trust. He never gave me any doubt as to his ability. A legendary game creator this guy is....and he has etched his name in the galaxy's mindstone with this one.....
In Druckmann I trust. He never gave me any doubt as to his ability. A legendary game creator this guy is....and he has etched his name in the galaxy's mindstone with this one.....
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
edit: more a summary than a review.
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HotPocket69
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How was Days Gone “very awful”? Lol
Nankatsu
Gold Member
Well, just watched this and he bashes pretty hard in the game.
He makes some pretty valid points, some of which I can totally relate too.
THEAP99
Banned
Terribly writing, outdated and repeated mission design filled with hours worth of filler fetch quests, barebone mechanics, bugs, frame rate and other technical issues, barebone world. If you told me the game was a Ubisoft game, I would have believed you. The story was somewhat okay and interesting, some funny characters but not enough to make the game memorable or a recommendation without a very very steep sale.
RokkanStoned
Member
That was pretty insightful, showing that it'll likely be a divisive game. Three people with overall different experiences with various aspects of the game. Honestly, from all their talk, considering the points each of them present, it seems more like a 7/10 or 8/10 game. Good but flawed.
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Collin
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I was always agaisnt the hate for this game when the leaks hit, since in my mind only an artless autistic dork would actually judge a game based solely on some plot points some other autistic artless dork wrote or some rough unfinished cutscene you saw. Like what the fuck? By that logic just read every plot summary from wikipedia for every movie and game and call it good you dumbasses. Why take the time to experience anything at all if your stupid small brained tasteless opinion can be swayed by just a few plot points? If you had actually played it and hate it, that’s totally fair, i’ll hear you out, but not based on these leaks, you neckbearded, transition-lens touting, fedora-wearing, mountain dew shirt with trench coat on your back smelly fuck.
Anyway, the point is I hope anyone who is in that camp reads the above quote. Love a person who can admit when they’re wrong.
hunthunt
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So Naughty Dog since 2010 in Metacritic:
Uncharted 2 (2010) 96
Uncharted 3 (2012) 92
The Last of Us (2013) 95
Uncharted 4 (2016) 94
The Last of Us 2 (2020) 96
Yep, the secret to sell 10 million copies every time and have those scores is having swj writters.
Its so easy that im surprised on why Microsoft, EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc keep wasting millions of dollars trying to make good games and researching for good gameplay loops, just get left wing writters and you are ready to success.
Uncharted 2 (2010) 96
Uncharted 3 (2012) 92
The Last of Us (2013) 95
Uncharted 4 (2016) 94
The Last of Us 2 (2020) 96
Yep, the secret to sell 10 million copies every time and have those scores is having swj writters.
Its so easy that im surprised on why Microsoft, EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc keep wasting millions of dollars trying to make good games and researching for good gameplay loops, just get left wing writters and you are ready to success.
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Aggelos
Member
Guys, I would like to praise the Gnomon alumni and their work at/for Naughty Dog
Philip Weisfeld – Environment Texture Artist
Sarah Swenson – Environment Artist
Sarah Swenson
Hi! Welcome to my artstation! I learned my trade at Gnomon School of Visual Effects, specializing in Environment Art. My first project out of school was God of War (2017) where I worked on the Alfheim level with two other artists. I grew my sculpting to another level. I then transitioned to...www.artstation.com
Tiffany Chu – Environment Texture Artist
Tiffany Chu
3D Environment Artist @ Naughty Dog Prev: Insomniac Games, Google Daydream, Stress Level Zero Graduate of Gnomon School of Visual Effects
Alex Harrington – Environment Texture Artist
Alex Harrington
My name is Alex Harrington and I am currently working as an Environment Artist at Sony Santa Monica in LA.
Katherine McGinley – Environment Texture Artist
Katherine McGinley
- Graduated with a BFA in Animation from Savannah College of Art and Design in 2011 - Moved to NYC to Intern and Work at Animation Collective in 2012 - Started working at Grey Health Group / Hurd Studios in 2013 creating a variety of animated and live action videos as part of a pharmaceutical...
Jeff Parker – Associate Environment Artist
https://www.artstation.com/jdparker
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meanspartan
Member
Noticing that a lot of the not strictly gaming media is a bit harsher on the game.
time.com
www.vice.com
'The Last of Us Part II' Is Revolutionary—and Unbelievably Grim
The sequel to the 2013 game, widely hailed a masterpiece, pushes more boundaries in gaming. It's also unrelentingly bleak
'The Last of Us Part II' Is a Grim and Bloody Spectacle, but a Poor Sequel
Naughty Dog retreads acres of old ground to tell a simplistic, violent morality play about revenge.
www.vice.com
Bolivar687
Banned
I can see where SkillUp is coming from and his impressions seem to confirm where I expected this game was going. Although I actually really liked the stealth and gameplay in the first one, I don't think more of that can carry what seems to be a one dimensional story, notwithstanding improvements.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Pretty much confirming Duckmann took a giant shit on a piece of paper and called it the TLoU2 script. What a mother fuckin day.
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Piku_Ringo
Banned
The Walking Dead milked the revenge plot to oblivion.
Naughty Dog: "One more time."
Me:
Puncheur
Member
Uncharted 4 bored me to tears! I really am done with Naughty Dog's gameplay formula. That and hearing that there's very little enemy variety in TLOU2, and that it takes 25-30 hours! to complete means it's a pass for me.
What they got an early copy of the game but their scores don't count on metacritic?
REE Machine
Banned
You're right it's a new studio with new staff and they seem to be fucking killing it on their first big game being there highest rated they've had yet!
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
haha let's hope so! I would love Sully prequel or Sam+Sully Uncharted game is Drake is out of the question in the future
Entroyp
Member
I’m not a fan of uncharted anymore but I love TLoU so I think I will like this one. We’ll see.
HawarMiran
Banned
Get some fresh air. Or pussy for a change. Your priorities in life seem flawed