Basileus777
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Hexen Island isn't really worth it. The Alisha DLC isn't great, but it does elaborate on the ending if you want that.
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Tales of Zestiria |OT| - Sorey, Modders did what Bamcouldn't!
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Hexen Island isn't really worth it. The Alisha DLC isn't great, but it does elaborate on the ending if you want that.
Well, so I've finished the game a few days ago.
The ending was definitely underwhelming, imo. I think the game peaked at the
fight. The whole presentation of that battle was amazing, especially the music and the interwoven cutscenes. Can't describe what I felt when the soundtrack changed, soooooo gooood.
On the whole I'm kinda torn. There are some aspects of the game that are incredibly fun, but there is probably an equal amount of stuff that is equally annoying.
It looks great, the combat system is really fun, I liked all the characters and the story was mostly decent and had some great moments here and there.
On the other hand, some bosses were really annoying, the AI is dumb as a brick most of the time and I couldn't care less about the equipment-skill system.
Especially the skill system. At first I fight it would be pretty cool, had lots of possibilities for customization, etc. I remember farming equipment at the beginning until everyone had the first or second column full and got a major boost.
Sounds cool in theory, but this also meant that I got absolutely nothing better for a veeery long time.
At some point I just said fuck it and just stopped (mostly) caring about the whole system and fusioning and everyting and just used whatever I had on hand that looked liked an upgrade at the first glance.
I think I defeated the final boss on moderate without a single fusioned equipment piece because I just couldn't be bothered anymore.
I think my biggest problem with the skill system is that you don't really have much control at all until very late in the game with the Normins, Drop Rate Boost, Luring, Weapon Ordering etc, but at this point I already didn't care anymore and used neither of them for the most part.
Doesn't help that the game apparently has a ton of little hidden mechanics around that system that are poorly explained ingame.
Well yeah, on the whole I think it was an alright game, but I don't have much interest in playing the Alicia DLC or post-game content. Thank god I got free Symphonia with it (never played it, so I'm looking forward to it).
The ending was definitely underwhelming, imo. I think the game peaked at the
Tiamat
On the whole I'm kinda torn. There are some aspects of the game that are incredibly fun, but there is probably an equal amount of stuff that is equally annoying.
It looks great, the combat system is really fun, I liked all the characters and the story was mostly decent and had some great moments here and there.
On the other hand, some bosses were really annoying, the AI is dumb as a brick most of the time and I couldn't care less about the equipment-skill system.
Especially the skill system. At first I fight it would be pretty cool, had lots of possibilities for customization, etc. I remember farming equipment at the beginning until everyone had the first or second column full and got a major boost.
Sounds cool in theory, but this also meant that I got absolutely nothing better for a veeery long time.
At some point I just said fuck it and just stopped (mostly) caring about the whole system and fusioning and everyting and just used whatever I had on hand that looked liked an upgrade at the first glance.
I think I defeated the final boss on moderate without a single fusioned equipment piece because I just couldn't be bothered anymore.
I think my biggest problem with the skill system is that you don't really have much control at all until very late in the game with the Normins, Drop Rate Boost, Luring, Weapon Ordering etc, but at this point I already didn't care anymore and used neither of them for the most part.
Doesn't help that the game apparently has a ton of little hidden mechanics around that system that are poorly explained ingame.
Well yeah, on the whole I think it was an alright game, but I don't have much interest in playing the Alicia DLC or post-game content. Thank god I got free Symphonia with it (never played it, so I'm looking forward to it).
cpp_is_king
Member
Lttp but i started this game yesterday. A bit lost on how the skill sheet works.
Is there a guide to it somewhere
Is there a guide to it somewhere
Cornbread78
Member
Don't worry, I'm about 40 hours in and I still can;t get the skills grid to work the way I want it to.
Snakethesniper
Member
I still haven't bought the game, so the question is, unlocking the framerate to 60 fps needs a more powerful PC than the normal requirements? I think I'm good with a 970GTX, the question is about the CPU, I still have an i5-2500@3,30Ghz
You may have figured out that each piece of equipment will put a number of squares on your skill sheet, activating different stat-boosts depending on where they fall. It gets a little more complicated as additional bonuses are given if squares appear in certain configurations (i.e. next to each other or stacked on top of each other).
But I wouldn't worry about it too much. As you progress you'll be cross-referencing equipment stats against the skill sheet, and it eventually becomes clearer. I found it hard to take in at the start, especially whilst trying to understand the intricacies of the battle system and the item fusing rules.
I have a GTX970 but a much older CPU (Q6600 @ 2.4ghz). It works fine everywhere for me except my machine really struggles in towns. The mod has a hotkey that allows you to snap back down to 30fps tho. So it should work well for you where it matters (in combat etc.) but I can't comment on performance in towns.
cpp_is_king
Member
So just to satisfy my curiosity, here's a few questions:
1. Why are some icons lit up while others are dark?
2. I got an E-Union, but nothing that looks like the shape of an E. What is that?
3. They all have a little number next to them. I thought that meant how many there are of the same thing in a row, but I've got a number 3 with just 2 things in a row. So what is that?
4. Why is one of them flashing?
Liferebooted
Banned
Is my ps4 version busted or does the game disable screen shots the entire time? I can't even screen shot during combat\open world\ or skits =\
SpiritSlayer
Member
Is this game worth getting? I'd like to get it but I'm unsure. Is it fun?
Liferebooted
Banned
Yes.. its the best Tales game since Vesperia.
Basileus777
Member
It's ok, one of the weaker Tales games in recent years.
Cornbread78
Member
It's nothing earth-shattering, but it is your traditional, fun Tales game with a comfy story, good gameplay, and interesting characters. I've been having a lot of fun with it so far...
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Let's see if I can get all of these...
1. The lit up icons are the skills your character currently have equipped. The Dark icons are skills that you have discovered but not equipped on that particular character currently.
2. E-Union is when two or more skills are equipped in a row but they must be right next to each other. You get a bonus skill when you have an E-Union.
3. The number is how many of that particular skill that character has equipped. You can stack the same skill and it will give you a bonus skill. I believe the skill improves the more yo stack.
4. The flashing circle means you are stacking a skill. The flashing horizontal line is an E-Union and the flashing vertical line is the G-Union.
Bonus. G-Union is when you equip all five skills in a column. This also gives you a bonus skill.
This is kind of a bare bones explanation and I probably got something wrong so if anyone want's to elaborate or correct me be my guest.
SpiritSlayer
Member
Thanks for the input. So is it like your traditional JRPG?
Ascenion
Member
Please elaborate on this. I'm very curious as to why you think that.
Nights Owl
Member
Man. I was excited to finally play a new Tales game when Zestria hit PC. (Don't tend to bother getting Sony consoles) and I have to say. I am definitely not a fan of Zestria one bit.
The characters are incredibly boring. Rose, Sorey, Lailah, Mikleo... they just all seem to have their "Generic-nothing redeemable and horribly boring animoo character" sliders to the max.
The battle system is incredibly weak. (Literally been able to beat anything just by spamming dodge and attack in any direction or armatizing and doing the same)
Lack of freedom with the party is absolutely dreadful. I *loathe* Sorey and Rose. The Seraphs are the only (slight) redeemable characters and I can't have all 4, because of a (not fun) feature that is only handy during boss battles? Reeeeeeally?
Ugh. I'm not trying to ruin anyone elses fun. I'm just so bummed out. The last Tales game I've played and liked was Abyss and I'm still sticking by my opinion that it's the best one to date that I've played. (Keep in mind, no Xillia/2, Graces, or Hearts)
I was looking forward to Graces when I thought it was still on its way here for the Wii, but obviously Nintendo hasn't gotten any Tales games in the US in forever, so I've been quite abandoned by what used to be my favorite JRPG series.
Can someone please tell me Xillia/2 and Graces f are a lot better than Zestria? I'm dying to play a decent Tales game again. =(
Edit: And no, I don't like Vesperia either. None of the characters "click" and the battle-system doesn't feel right for some reason.
The characters are incredibly boring. Rose, Sorey, Lailah, Mikleo... they just all seem to have their "Generic-nothing redeemable and horribly boring animoo character" sliders to the max.
The battle system is incredibly weak. (Literally been able to beat anything just by spamming dodge and attack in any direction or armatizing and doing the same)
Lack of freedom with the party is absolutely dreadful. I *loathe* Sorey and Rose. The Seraphs are the only (slight) redeemable characters and I can't have all 4, because of a (not fun) feature that is only handy during boss battles? Reeeeeeally?
Ugh. I'm not trying to ruin anyone elses fun. I'm just so bummed out. The last Tales game I've played and liked was Abyss and I'm still sticking by my opinion that it's the best one to date that I've played. (Keep in mind, no Xillia/2, Graces, or Hearts)
I was looking forward to Graces when I thought it was still on its way here for the Wii, but obviously Nintendo hasn't gotten any Tales games in the US in forever, so I've been quite abandoned by what used to be my favorite JRPG series.
Can someone please tell me Xillia/2 and Graces f are a lot better than Zestria? I'm dying to play a decent Tales game again. =(
Edit: And no, I don't like Vesperia either. None of the characters "click" and the battle-system doesn't feel right for some reason.
Cornbread78
Member
Yes, have you played any of the Tales games before?
Wow. I thought this cast was one of the better JRPG casts to come along in a while.
cpp_is_king
Member
So about bonus skills, are the bonus skills just random or is there some way to know what bonus skill you'll get by making a certain E / G / whatever union.
Nights Owl
Member
JRPG maybe. I don't play too many JRPGs released recently. I don't like "Turn based" anymore so it kinda limits my choices.. JRPGs like Xenoblade Chronicles, Abyss, FF6, FFX and Crono Trigger are what I hold "Character" standards to. I suppose.
Tales games (Symphonia and Abyss specifically) are something I hold to high regard, and hope every sequential one improves on the last. (Like how I felt Abyss was a great bound above Symphonia)
For "Tales" games, this cast just feels poor to me, along with the story. Vesperia felt very similar, and I know people LOVE Vesperia.
Liferebooted
Banned
What else has there been really since Vesperia? I love Xilla and Xillia 2 but this is much better. =\ It has a much better cast and just pretty much improved on all other aspects of Xillia games
cpp_is_king
Member
Graces F. Best combat, but pretty lame cast except 1 or 2 people.
After reading your posts it sounds like to me that your opinion is mostly driven by nostalgia and that the series isn't heading where you want it to, it's fine but it's kinda hard to tell you what you would be able to like or not but my guess would be that the series just isn't for you anymore.
Buuuut if you liked Abyss maybe Xillia 2 could be your thing, it's the darkest episode by far and the battle system is pretty good, its biggest flaw is that you kinda have to go through Xillia 1 first then Xillia 2 itself use a lots of assets from the first Xillia.
So well it's up to you, mind if I ask you in which difficulty you were playing in battle for Zestiria ?
Pascal and Malik are the highlights of the party, fo sho.
Hm if you don't like Vesperia I don't know if there's much left in the series for you. I thought Lailah and Rose were both pretty strong characters -- Lailah in particular had an amazing localization and I enjoyed her a lot but I'm just all about awful puns. Everyone I know playing the game that is done with anime tropes also loved Lailah.
The skill system felt awful but I really liked their use of the Seraphs + Humans in battle. Lots of cool on the fly changes that let you use the entire party instead of just a few.
cpp_is_king
Member
I actually liked Hubert and Malik. Adult Hubert anyway. Pascal's voice gave me a headache
SpiritSlayer
Member
I have not, this would be my first.
Hubert is an okay choice as well.
psynergylover
Member
It's the game, for some reason NB was incredibly protective of taking screenshots of the game
thestopsign
Member
This is a solid game to start with in that case. I found it very digestible and relaxing to play. The characters are never grating and are mostly enjoyable and the plot isn't too full of contrivances that JRPGs often fall back on to.
Up your difficulty?
Cornbread78
Member
If you're interested in jrpgs then you will probably really like it if it's your first.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Finally unlocked Intense, and now for some reason refilling the Blast Gauge fills slowly. I wonder if it is because I switched my gear for Sorey or if it is something else, in any case, Ive now had to be a bit more cautious 
Intense doesn't even feel that much harder than hard and normal IMO. Still I run from anytime I get caught with 4+ enemies that can cast artes since those are just annoying to play against in such battles.
I cant believe Im still getting beat by those random map hellions even when I lower to normal yet can beat boss fights on hard and intense I get to like a sliver of health left and then everyone is defeated.
Intense doesn't even feel that much harder than hard and normal IMO. Still I run from anytime I get caught with 4+ enemies that can cast artes since those are just annoying to play against in such battles.I cant believe Im still getting beat by those random map hellions even when I lower to normal
yet can beat boss fights on hard and intense I get to like a sliver of health left and then everyone is defeated.Finally unlocked Intense, and now for some reason refilling the Blast Gauge fills slowly. I wonder if it is because I switched my gear for Sorey or if it is something else, in any case, Ive now had to be a bit more cautious
I cant believe Im still getting beat by those random map hellions even when I lower to normal
Fairly sure higher difficulties make BG go up slower.
That's dumb, it should go up faster to facilitate combos for good players.
Just bad design decisions after bad design decisions.
Dedication Through Light
Member
I like it, for it makes me pay more attention to items that give advantages to BG and also I use the blast to get the +50.
Otherwise, yeah sometimes youre just staring at the gauge as it is very slowly and noticeably taking its time to refill.
Otherwise, yeah sometimes youre just staring at the gauge as it is very slowly and noticeably taking its time to refill.
Liferebooted
Banned
Almost done with the game on chaos.. this is even easier than normal mode wtf. The gear system just makes it too easy combined with chaos mode's better loot.
Snakethesniper
Member
Sorry another stupid technical question, are "weird" resolutions like 1360x768 supported? Usually I find that japanese developed games lack this particular resolution (that's currently mine unfortunately)
Snakethesniper
Member
thank you sir
Dedication Through Light
Member
Okay shrine of fire has best theme in the whole game thus far. And wow battles there get so explosive at times.
Intense does feel intense since it keeps randomly spawning enemies in battle for some reason. Cheap.
Intense does feel intense since it keeps randomly spawning enemies in battle for some reason. Cheap.
Cornbread78
Member
Wind and water shrine music is better, so look forward to those.
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That part with Dezel was actually really done well and added a lot of depth to Rose's story.
I usually fill up my BG either by defending for 1.5 secs or evading attacks. I just tested those two (focusing more on BG gain through evasion) and it looks the same on Normal as it is on Chaos. Gear skills help out a lot so I think you may have swapped something there that increases BG recovery rates.Finally unlocked Intense, and now for some reason refilling the Blast Gauge fills slowly. I wonder if it is because I switched my gear for Sorey or if it is something else, in any case, Ive now had to be a bit more cautious
I cant believe Im still getting beat by those random map hellions even when I lower to normal
I think random hellions end up being tougher than bosses because of their quantity. There's a reason why one of the features of tougher difficulties is to add in more enemies to battles. Crowd control is actually very important when your other party members can't evade unless you specifically tell them to JUST defend. And even then it's bad.
I'm right before the final boss. Pretty sure I can
take down the first form but I fear I won't be ready for the damage requirements on the second form. Building up Lailah and Sorey with 20x 10% Fire Damage increase and that 20% chance of 8x Fire Damage ability isn't gonna help me there.
I lost like 3-4 times, jut on Hard. I started reviving Rose (and the other seraph if applicable) when he charges to compensate.
JadedWriter
Member
Just got this this week and Mason just got chomped on, lol.
Mega Man's Electric Sheep
Member
I've been trying to get into this game for the past week and I can't play for more than an hour at a time because the beginning is soooooooo boring. Like wow, tease me that we have to explore the world, then keep me trapped in this crappy town for 5 hours. I've played Vesperia, Abyss, Graces f, Hearts and Xillia, and this one is so dull compared to all of those. Does the pacing pick up soon? I just "went to dinner" with the local government guys.
The pacing gets better once you get all the seraphims as a bunch of fields and side quests open up.
Dedication Through Light
Member
The meadow and G.ruins has been my favorite places to farm gald and grade thus far in early game. Plus some items Im liking its a fast way to pass time waiting for orders to come in. Anyway, Ive been knocking out sidequests, playing on intense, boss fights on moderate (boss hellions on normal or simple) their resistances kill me (partys only around lvl 30) and I still struggle with casters, theres no way to keep five castors from casting, which on hard or even intense spells doom in <20seconds.