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Reizo Ryuu
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yurinka
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The main gameplay related complains about SFV was the supposed lack of defensive options and tools for self expression. Seems they adressed it in SF6.
Regarding guard break, I'm not sure but I'd bet that the Drive Impact, -the new focus attack- has armor and breaks guards.
There are many defensive options announced, I think SF6 won't have air guard or air parries.
We already saw they addressed a ton of highly requested suggestions or stuff people complained about in SFV or other games. So we know they took note of everything.
Bad netcode was the most reported issue in SFV so pretty likely they'll aim to have a top tier netcode (which won't help if you or the other player play using a McDonalds wifi while downloading torrents).
The game engine (UE or RE Engine) is totally unrelated, has nothing to do with the netcode. They can use the same netcode in different game engines if desired.
Capcom didn't implement their own version of GGPO for MvCi or SFV, they did their own netcode (that Kagemusha) for both games which -like GGPO- did use a rollback based system. MvCi had a newer version that performed better.
They tweaked and improved the SFV one (it now performs way better than in that old video), but maybe was too costly to make a huge change to totally fix the issues, very likely they didn't have budget for it back then and had to wait for the next game to make a huge improvement.
Netherrealm, ARC System Works or Killer Instinct also had their own -non GGPO- rollback netcodes that performs great.
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Rocco Schiavone
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TheDuskwalker
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People didn't like SFIV's netcode, but when it released the only other mainstream fighter with semi tolerable netcode on consoles was BlazBlue, and maybe 360 version of VF5.
Also Street Fighter X Tekken used rollback before SFV, and it was bad too.
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Venza
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I’m happy to see Capcom gave Chun an absurdly fat ass again. Her proportions are much more realistic compared to V even though her thighs are insanely big. Here’s to hoping my girl Cammy keeps her cheeks at the same size.
Alright, I'm sold.
Fake
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I'm showing my experience with SF4, as you know Ranked battle.. instead you're just posting memes/gifs. I was expected nothing anw.
SF x Tekken was a catastrophe, no doubt. Base SF4 don't started well too (Base SF4 was a spam of Ken and Sagat in the online matches), but for me at least since got updated to Super Street Fighter 4 got better and better.
But I putting a huge hope in SF6 because of this:
Dude of course have to do... lol.
If your game have online interaction, netcode need to be a part of the engine inself, whatever the dev want to use or not in their game.
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Labolas
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Reizo Ryuu
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Because it doesn't change the fact that delay based netcode is fucking trash and needs to stay dead forever; read this if you need to educate yourself on why.
TheDuskwalker
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I think that's a response to unreal engine games on PS5 (why Epic is involved), the native PS5 versions of KOFXV and GG Strive for example have more input latency than there PS4 counterparts, so people play the PS4 versions through BC on PS5 since they play slightly better. This isn't a issue with the Series X version of KOFXV however, but since Evo is now a Sony owned event they can't use Series X version of KOFXV.
Epic Games and Sony Partner Up to Fix Input Delay on PlayStation 5 Fighting Games
Epic Games and Sony are seemingly partnering up to fix the input delay found across several fighting games on PlayStation.
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Fake
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Yeah, you maybe right in this one, but still input latency make a huge impact on online matches.
They really need to get right the netcode in the launch day.
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yurinka
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I'm a gamedev -mostly a programmer- since almost two decades ago. No, the netcode doesn't need to be a part of the game engine. Independently of your game engine you can use many different solutions for that online interaction offered by several companies that aren't the one of the game engine. You can also implement your own onine component, or make your own engine.
In this case, GGPO isn't attached to any engine. It's independent, can be used pretty much in any engine. And same goes with Unreal Engine, it isn'tt attached or GGPO or any other one. As an example, Capom or Netherreal implemented their own online component and did use them on Unreal Engine. Capcom's CFN online component was codenamed Kagemusha.
For SF6 Capcom will be able to use in RE Engine GGPO, Kagemusha or whatever they consider for their online interactions.
Possible future Unreal Engine input lag improvements won't affect at all SF6 because unlike SFV it won't use Unreal Engine. SF6 will use Capcom's RE Engine instead.
If thanks to these talks and investigations Sony finds something at the OS or driver levels they can optimize to improve input lag for all games and not only the Unreal Engine (independently from whatever Epic fixes and optimizes in UE) then that it would help SF6.
Ryu is as bulky as he always has been in previous gamesYou don't like Taliban/Hulk Ryu??
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Fake
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Don't need to be, but can be, right? Some engines are coming with their own netcode, don't necessary mean the game company/devs gonna used at all.
Yes, you can use different solutions rather than stick with the basic netcode. I guess devs want to explore this to tackle the netcode state at the day one launch with usually are the most stressful to the game since launch day we got many many players trying to play the game in the same instance.
I was talking about the UE4 integration. Can't say much about RE because I not familiar with. I guess Capcom started to use RE engine in Devil May Cry?
And lets be honest, netcode still a huge problem to fight those days. Not even CoD got that right in MW reboot. I played the BETA and the day one and take months to got better.
March Climber
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Jimmyisback
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I guess they learned their lesson with street fighter 5 exclusivity.
Reizo Ryuu
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Nah training stage serves a good purpose, just have tournaments ban the stage; middle road comprise, make it only selectable in training mode.
yurinka
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Just in case you didn't notice, there are closer shots of Damd and Andore (Final Fight) on the trailer other than when appearing during gameplay with other Mad Gear gang members:
Fun fact: Capcom had a trick implemented on SFV to let tournament players play on the training stage but streaming to the viewers of the stream view a different stage.
Fun fact: Capcom had a trick implemented on SFV to let tournament players play on the training stage but streaming to the viewers of the stream view a different stage.
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SSfox
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I think he was an early boss in FF game, wonder if it's tease he will be a playable character.Just in case you didn't notice, there are closer shots of Damd and Andore (Final Fight) on the trailer other than when appearing during gameplay with other Mad Gear gang members:
Fun fact: Capcom had a trick implemented on SFV to let tournament players play on the training stage but streaming to the viewers of the stream view a different stage.
yurinka
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If you develop your own game engine and implement inside your own online component yes, it can be inside. But in most cases it's a separate component to make easier to switch your game engine but keep the online component or viceversa for the next game.
RE Engine was crated for RE VII and did use it too for RE Village, RE2R, RE3R and RE4R plus DMCV, MHR, Exoprimal, Pragmata, Ghosts 'n Goblins Resurrection, Capcom Arcade Stadium and now SF6.
Yes, Damnd is the first final boss of the first stage in Final Fight. Andore is one of the random enemies.
Among the random enemies there were the Andore family members, which basically were the same character with a palette swap. They had different names and the pink one was named Andore (not the same one than Andore Jr., who was the red one).
Street Fighter V featured several characters only for the story mode who were fully modelled and a few even playable in that mode but not in the other ones. So who knows, they may do the same here. But I'd like to see Damnd as a normal playable character. And Haggar, obviously.
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Jinzo Prime
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Hopefully Damnd is either base or DLC, but there is a statue of Haggar in the trailer that might indicate that he is dead at the time SF6 takes place. Of course fighting game characters being dead haven't always stopped them from showing up though...
yurinka
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To make a statue of someone doesn't mean he's dead.
And well, SFV story covered different time periods, in fact its arcade mode covered all SF series (with the exception of SFEX).
In addition to this, as I remember Rose's story in SFV hinted at future time travel stuff, which would give them an excuse to allow them canon wise to bring back any dead or too old character.
I'd love to get anything asap, but full reveal at Sony event plus previous gen exclusivity pretty likely means Sony has marketing deal. And traditionally big fighting game reveals are at EVO, now owned by Sony.
Seems that the full launch roster has been leaked, so maybe they reveal more characters than initially expected at EVO.
But I think that their messaging at EVO would be more about adressing the main concerns of specially the experienced players, to highlight that:
- The game will feature meaty content at launch in terms of characters and game modes, specially a very strong single player component going beyond everyone suggested
- They aim to have the best netcode ever
- It will have stong gameplay system that adresses the main concerns of SFV gameplay (little defensive and self expression options, lack of some stuff from the past like parries, universal armored attack or dash cancel)
- Maybe to mention that EVO and Sony are talking not only to Epic to improve Unreal Engine input lag on PS5, but also with other devs like Capcom to improve input lag it in other engines like SF6's RE Engine
- Proper gameplay shown with UI: probably a live offline match and if possible a USA vs Japan online match to showcase how good is the netcode
- Public Alpa or Beta announced
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Bruno_Arrais85
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This. If they want to attract the casuals, they need to ditch the Grid stages from tournaments.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Yeah armor & guard break in particular for Drive Impact makes a lot of sense. I don't mind whatsoever if air parries or even air guards are gone tho; encourages more ground play and that's particularly what separates "core" Street Fighter from offshoots like the VS series.
Lovin' the juicy booty
. But, they might have to work on some of the glute-to-thigh skeletal/mesh joints or something because some shots it looks like her glute disappears and her thigh folds making it look unnatural, like her glute & thigh are one seamless muscle or something. No matter the position even when she has her grounded leg vertical and she's leaning into a kind of 90-degree angle for a kick, the glute muscle should be clearly visible at all times. Especially in Chun's case since she trains a lot so her glutes should be clearly defined (which they are in most shots, but there's a specific position for one of her moves where it looks like her glutes disappear. There's a post ITT showing it).
Nah; like R Reizo Ryuu said they serve a purpose. They allow players to make note of spacing for attacks that way they'll know their ranges better. Also helps with things like micro-stepping. Those are the big reasons pro players like playing on the training stage.
yurinka
If that 'trick' you said was actually implemented then I guess pro players have been playing on the training stage all this time in tournaments. It would make a lot of sense considering the advantages (and both players can benefit from those advantages equally so no unfair situation presented there).
yurinka
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This game will feature parries, armored attacks and an alpha counter/v-reversal. Meaning that defense while in ground is going to be huge and that projectile characters will be pretty fucked if that Drive bar gets filled too fast.
To add air defensive options would be too much for projectile characters and would make the game too defensive.
In terms of mechanics the game seems to be a greatest hits of the different SF series, taking stuff from all of them. They announced stuff from SFA, SF3, SFIV and SFV. They should keep some stuff like in SF2, and I think no air parries and no air guard will be one of them to make the game not that defensive and give more priority to projectiles and anti airs.
As far as I remember was implemented for online tournaments as a patch to mostly improve lag because for some weird reason some stages added extra lag, something that doesn't make sense since the netcode doesn't send stage related info and the game runs at steady 60fps. So maybe they don't use it anymore now that offline tournaments are back.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Yeah, makes sense with all that considered. 3S IMO had a big problem with making a lot of projectile characters feel heavily nerfed because of the way not only regular parries, but Red Parries and Air Parries worked.
It really hurt chars like Remy (one of my favorites), since they have extremely high Stun anyway and don't even have a real cross-up (I think I landed a jumping MK or HK as a crossup exactly once in all the time I've played 3S).
Oh ok. Well, I guess they don't because the Combo Breaker tournament they just had, at least for the matches I saw yesterday, were all on the training stage. So they might have disabled the implementation for online tournaments too, otherwise I think they'd want viewers to see stages other than the training one especially for Grand Finals.
The removal of that implementation probably came when they reduced some of the lag; I think at one point the game had like 8-9 built-in frames of lag which was ridiculous. They got it down to 3 frames but those couldn't be removed because all of the game's frame data was built with a built-in 3 frame buffer in mind. One of the things they did to make the game easier for newcomers (might've also done that with the netcode in mind).
SSfox
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Hum who knows, i don't think so tbh tho, we say character reveals in both Summer fiest and MS show. Of course this don't exclude Evo which pretty sure will have its reveals. Game can come Q1 2023 and supposed to have +18 characters reveals until then, so it would totally make sens.
After i see the Cammy super i really feel optimistic about this game, Can't wait to see the rest of roster.
yurinka
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I'm not sure because I didn't see it but I'd bet Combo Breaker has been played offline. It hasn't been an online Capcom tournament.
Regarding the lag you mention, this is the lag introduced by the game, the OS and game engine when playing offline. On top of this, there is the lag introduced by internet, the online platform (like PSN) and the netcode of the game when playing online. For some weird reason when playing online some claim (it can be totally false) that some stages added more lag than others.
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kyliethicc
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Kacho
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Best thing about the announcement is the flood of new Chun Li art.
SSfox
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I don't want to be that guy, but they should have started to work on this issue long time ago, maybe Capcom deciding to work with their RE engine is what made Epic to finally move their asses?? but anyway...I think that's a response to unreal engine games on PS5 (why Epic is involved), the native PS5 versions of KOFXV and GG Strive for example have more input latency than there PS4 counterparts, so people play the PS4 versions through BC on PS5 since they play slightly better. This isn't a issue with the Series X version of KOFXV however, but since Evo is now a Sony owned event they can't use Series X version of KOFXV.
Epic Games and Sony Partner Up to Fix Input Delay on PlayStation 5 Fighting Games
Epic Games and Sony are seemingly partnering up to fix the input delay found across several fighting games on PlayStation.
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Venza
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Who is she?Reminds me of her
Streetfighter instagram page firing out some info about this game, apparently now there gameface feature during the vs screen you can press directions buttons to make yr charachter scowl or act all smug etc , looks like name of stage is metro city downtown. Looks like part of loading screens is now charachter walking onto stage while stats pop up, can deffently see before long a full charachter select to end of match being posted
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Yeah, Combo Breaker was offline this year, but the recent CPT Midwest tournament was online. The online tournaments aren't as exciting IMO.
I've seen a lot of pro players switch out from playing on certain stages like the Dubai one with the flying airplane whenever it's selected, so I'm guessing certain stages introducing additional lag is in fact a real thing. Which is ridiculous, and hopefully something they completely avoid with SFVI.
Aren't Capcom doing their own event? I'm guessing any further gameplay or stuff will be at their own presentation.
Reminds me of her
God bless Twitch & Instagram (and Onlyfans).
Rocco Schiavone
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Her Ass will be nerfed just like Mikas ass. Don't be fooled.
01011001
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so bassssiically, that thing Soul Calibur 2 did and which was after that absent from the series for no apparent reason
