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Rumor Sony's 'PS5 Ready' X900H TV may not get HDMI 2.1 features (Up: Sony confirm features still coming)

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VRR mostly matters when frame rates are unstable or unlocked as it helps with preventing screen tearing and judder. A lot of console games have locked frame rates these days, so that's a bit less of an issue than PC gaming with unlocked frame rates. Especially this gen were it seems like locked 30fps quality modes will be a pretty standard option as I wouldn't expect a lot of drops in those modes vs the 60 or 120fps modes--time will tell though.

Sorry but you don't understand anything.

The whole point of locking to 30fps is to prevent judder and framestutter when your game runs not at refreshrate of monitor. So if game runs at good 40-50fps you have to still lock it to 30 in order to combat this.

With VRR you don't have to lock anymore game to set framerate. You can let it play at 25-40-50-70 fps. So it is especially important to console games because they mostly hover at 25-30-45fps range.

VRR means MORE FPS in games.
 

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I’m playing 4K 120hz on it right now with no issues. VRR for console isn’t that big a deal to me honestly but yes they should update for that still.
I suspect you have a PS5?
Apparently a VRR effect is already working for PS5s on the X900H but they can't say that it is "VRR" until they get it working for XSX. That's what I got from the Robert Zohn info. But I thought PS5 wasn't doing VRR or ALLM yet?
 
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Well, great price yes, wonderfull ... well it has many, many bugs (like missing sound when you switch to HDMI channels that reappears if you restart the TV or start e.g. a youtube video).
It is a 10 bit panel, but color banding totally visible (my old 10bit LG tv hadn't have that issue). And it has Android TV ... I really wish back the WebOs, didn't know that androidTV was so limited.
And the TV ignores to switch on and off my samsung soundbar. Only Sony stuff works :(. Why are there standards if most manufactures ignores them?

I really don't know why would anyone would favor WebOS over Android or vice versa. I have both and I really spend so little dwelling in the menu. As long it's working properly, I'm fine. But I prefer Android as my 2015 LG stopped updating since 2016 and my 2016 Sony X70D got updated last month and gets updated more frequently (actually the UI changed twice and looks similar to 2020 models).

The sound bug is about sound system? I don't use those, 100% headphones/headset while gaming or using PC, or even Netflix via tv. But it's good you pointed that out.

Banding is dependent on the content, as the system has no artificial gradience then 8-bit videos will look as they are intended, I would actually turn off any noise/auto gradient/etc while using PC as I wanna monitor my videos/photos when they reach their limit in editing, but I see that being a great deal for video streaming and so.

With X90J having the top processor like its bigger brothers those issues should be solved, I think.
 

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Sounds like classic Sony and their siloed departments. Sony is still stuck in the 90s with how their hardware divisions are set up and don’t talk to each other. I remember reading about kaz Hirai talking about this when he first became ceo and it was something he would try to change. I bet the tv guys just made a TV to whatever spec they wanted like usual, the marketing guys slapped a ps5 ready monicker on it, and the PlayStation guys didn’t know about the whole thing.
 
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Whilst I wouldn't trust either Sony or Stop the FOMO to sit the right way on a toilet seat, Vincent Teoh from HDTVTest is someone who actually knows his head from his arse. That said, this is Vincent relaying what he has been told from Sony who seem to have a different story depending on what day it is or who you talk to.

But the damage may have already been done. The store I bought my X90H from last year has already offered to refund or exchange it for an upcoming X90J/X95J whenever they are released.
 

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I think Vincent did a test with the Spears & Munsil disk and it clearly didn't pass true 4K, it really shouldn't mater if it's a console or PC. They marketed it as a 4K 120hz TV, and it's not delivering that.

I think they should give you the choice. Last time Vincent said that the blur could go but with added latency, which is now 6.7ms as he tested (I think) at 4K@120Hz. Now they're advertising 8.5ms, so the next update might go that route: X90J

4K/120fps

Get the edge on the competition with BRAVIA. With HDMI2.1 you can get a 120fps frame rate on compatible games, so you'll have the advantage in shooting, sports, and high-performance games with instant on-screen action. You'll also enjoy ultra-smooth gaming with reduced input lag less than 8.5 ms with 4K/120fps and dedicated Game Mode.

 
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Sorry but you don't understand anything.

The whole point of locking to 30fps is to prevent judder and framestutter when your game runs not at refreshrate of monitor. So if game runs at good 40-50fps you have to still lock it to 30 in order to combat this.

With VRR you don't have to lock anymore game to set framerate. You can let it play at 25-40-50-70 fps. So it is especially important to console games because they mostly hover at 25-30-45fps range.

VRR means MORE FPS in games.
No, I totally understand perfectly. I have just been saying that I usually opt for locked 30 FPS quality modes when given the option as I notice higher resolution and more graphics bells and whistles way more than higher frame rates personally.

VRR will definitely be important for gamers who prefer performance modes (which seems to be most, at least on gaming forums), just probably not as much as for PC gaming as I still expect to see more locked FPS games (or at least games that give the option) on consoles compared to everything is unlocked. And I’ll likely get some benefit out of it from games that don’t offer a locked FPS option. It will just be moot or me in games like Cyberpunk that offer a quality mode as I’m going with that nearly every time as someone who just soesn’t much notice or care about frame rates as long as they’re stable. Thus VRR, and HDMI 2.1 features in general, weren‘t a selling point of the X900h for me at all. That was solely price ($998 for 65”), input lag, black levels and general picture quality for an LED.

TLDR; I personally don’t care about higher frame rates so VRR isn’t a big deal to me. I concede it is a bigger deal for gamers who opt for unlocked FPS performance modes as they prefer higher frame rates.
 
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This magical VRR that only works with Sony PS5s and Sony TVs needs to be demonstrated before I believe it so excuse me if I don't take their word for it.

Besides, that's not the VRR implementation that we're originally talking about. Stop moving the goalposts.

Other TVs have better features for next gen gaming, and the Sony X900H still only has promises of features. That's my point, and it's true.
Their word>Your word
sorry
 

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S0ULZB0URNE S0ULZB0URNE the guy is right. X90H is a wonderful tv, with a great price that makes it a bargain. But as we stand, LG CX has the full package, even compared to X90J as it has Freesync Premium and G-Sync as well. I would rather get Sony A90J though, and I think it's the better choice for me with a small sacrafice for Freesync Premium and G-Sync due to its better processing and IQ, would even rather go for X90J or X95J.

But there is no right or wrong about it, each one has his preferences and needs, and as we stand now LG CX is the best gaming TV to date.
OLED and gaming don't mix.
This is my opinion and nothing can change it.
 

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I think Vincent did a test with the Spears & Munsil disk and it clearly didn't pass true 4K, it really shouldn't mater if it's a console or PC. They marketed it as a 4K 120hz TV, and it's not delivering that.
It's true blur free 4K/120 with the next gen consoles.
 
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Sorry but you don't understand anything.

The whole point of locking to 30fps is to prevent judder and framestutter when your game runs not at refreshrate of monitor. So if game runs at good 40-50fps you have to still lock it to 30 in order to combat this.

With VRR you don't have to lock anymore game to set framerate. You can let it play at 25-40-50-70 fps. So it is especially important to console games because they mostly hover at 25-30-45fps range.

VRR means MORE FPS in games.
I don’t think VRR works with 25fps.
And no... VRR doesn’t means more FPS lol
It doesn’t create frames.
There is a minimum framerate and a minimum range to work.

It is more important on PC with a lot of variable framerates... on console it is almost locked framerate unless the devs did a bad job.

BTW VRR is indeed decreasing the importance devs do to optimize and make the game run at desired framerate.
 
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I don’t think VRR works with 25fps.
And no... VRR doesn’t means more FPS lol
It doesn’t create frames.
There is a minimum framerate and a minimum range to work.

It is more important on PC with a lot of variable framerates... on console it is almost locked framerate unless the devs did a bad job.

BTW VRR is indeed decreasing the importance devs do to optimize and make the game run at desired framerate.
True but it will help with 60-120 fps games but we will notice it less with 120 of course :)
 

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It's true blur free 4K/120 with the next gen consoles.
Nope. It's still a decent TV and a good value, and it looks great to most people, but it still has objective, measurable problems that haven't been resolved yet. It's a fact.



 

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OLED and gaming don't mix.
This is my opinion and nothing can change it.
Same for me. Especially with how many hours the tv in my mancave is on ESPN everyday when not gaming. Even if temporary, image retention isn’t worth hassle and worry, especially when I’m not a videophile and rarely watch movies and prefer the brightness of LED TVs for gaming and sports watching anyway.
 
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If it's blurry on PC then it's blurry on Consoles.
Nope and as far as what SONY ACTUALLY states it gives 4K/120 for PS5.
They don't claim the PC doesn't have a issue.
Remember hooked together PS5 and this TV also uses a special VRR according to Robert Zohn.

I know I don't see it with PS5 and I sit close.

Comparisons made by Vincent Teoh are PC images.

Anyway I found a video of the lower resolution COD 120 fps on PS5 vs Higher resolution 60 fps PS5.


The difference I see is the lower res.
 
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Nope. It's still a decent TV and a good value, and it looks great to most people, but it still has objective, measurable problems that haven't been resolved yet. It's a fact.



Show me in the video where PS5 text is compared.
Also show me where the same resolution/details is compared.
Vincent even admits the 120 mode runs at lower details/resolution.
A proper comparison has not been made by him and he knows it as I called him out with no response.
You continue to lose.
 
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I have a Sony xh90 and 4k/120hz with a ps5 clearly gives a lower quality picture. It's like a badly upscalated picture from a lower resolution
 
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I have a Sony xh90 and 4k/120hz with a ps5 clearly gives a lower quality picture. It's like a badly upscalated picture from a lower resolution
Got the same TV and a PS5. No probs with my image at that res and frame rate.

You plugged into HDMI port 3, straight from PS5, and using the HDMI cable that came with the console?

From what I understand, ports 1 & 2 aren't geared for PS5/XSX.

Also ensure you've got your signal input set to enhanced:
 

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Nope and as far as what SONY ACTUALLY states it gives 4K/120 for PS5.
They don't claim the PC doesn't have a issue.
Remember hooked together PS5 and this TV also uses a special VRR according to Robert Zohn.

I know I don't see it with PS5 and I sit close.

Comparisons made by Vincent Teoh are PC images.

Anyway I found a video of the lower resolution COD 120 fps on PS5 vs Higher resolution 60 fps PS5.


The difference I see is the lower res.
Nope, probably is, just that you don't notice. It's highly unlikely it would be different on PC, it's just a 4K image over HDMI. The only varying factor would be bit depth eg, 8/10/12 and Chroma Sub Sampling 444/422/420 all of which can be set on PC to match the PS5 output. And even if this were true, Sony still doesn't deliver on their promise as it needs to work on the PC as well or they simply aren't delivering a true full 4K at 120hz.
 
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I have the ps5 connected to hdmi port 4, and the 4k120 issue is clearly noticeable. The issue is there, well recognized by many experts and there's no way it goes away with a ps5 plugged in. Maybe you just can't notice it
 

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I have the ps5 connected to hdmi port 4, and the 4k120 issue is clearly noticeable. The issue is there, well recognized by many experts and there's no way it goes away with a ps5 plugged in. Maybe you just can't notice it

Can you show some examples, and also mention the games it does this on? Did you also ensure you've set port 4 to be fully enabled for HDMI? By default, it is only set to standard.
 
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Glad it is still coming but I would have kept the tv anyhow. It's freaking gorgeous for the price, I can't stop just watching even some animes or cartoons the kids are watching because the set is so damn impressive. Im really happy with the purchase
 

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I have the ps5 connected to hdmi port 4, and the 4k120 issue is clearly noticeable. The issue is there, well recognized by many experts and there's no way it goes away with a ps5 plugged in. Maybe you just can't notice it
What games are you playing? Also, what media are you watching? I play the new COD in 120hz mode and it's great. Not seen any blur issues. Blur issues seems to be a PC problem.

Some screenshots would be great.
 
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Bought the TV shortly after the PS5 and the TV is a steal for the price. Couldn't be happier with it.
Let's see if they update it or not. If not I will try to get a small amount of the price I paid back.
But I will keep it anyways.
 

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Nope, probably is, just that you don't notice. It's highly unlikely it would be different on PC, it's just a 4K image over HDMI. The only varying factor would be bit depth eg, 8/10/12 and Chroma Sub Sampling 444/422/420 all of which can be set on PC to match the PS5 output. And even if this were true, Sony still doesn't deliver on their promise as it needs to work on the PC as well or they simply aren't delivering a true full 4K at 120hz.
I would notice...I take this shit seriously.
Actually Sony has only claimed 4K@120Hz with PS5. 🤷‍♂️
Do I think it will be fixed for the PC?
Yea when the other HDMI 2.1 features are unlocked.
 
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What games are you playing? Also, what media are you watching? I play the new COD in 120hz mode and it's great. Not seen any blur issues. Blur issues seems to be a PC problem.

Some screenshots would be great.
People need to keep in mind that the 120 fps games are running at lower resolutions and detail settings when making comparisons.
Of course the 60 fps versions will look better because of this.
 
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Sony's picture processing is best in bizzness next to Panasonic but Panasonic's doesn’t handle Local Dimming as good (when they used it in the past)
I tasted of Sony's with as low as 32 zones(900H) and high 858(Z9D).
Processing is key.
 
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I have the ps5 connected to hdmi port 4, and the 4k120 issue is clearly noticeable. The issue is there, well recognized by many experts and there's no way it goes away with a ps5 plugged in. Maybe you just can't notice it
I installed Fortnite just to test the 4k 120hz mode, but I have deleted it now

So your saying you tested Fortnite 4k 120hz on PS5 and seeing issues?

I guess I missed the 4k 120 PS5 upgrade patch, interesting.
 

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you have no idea what you are talking about
Maybe for once fucking explain me instead of another post saying how wrong I am...
Good contrast? So it's va right? That's max 5000:1 and 32 dimming zones sounds low?

Edit I've checked the rtings. Would you guess it's a normal va lcd. Ghosting, gamma cone and all. No blooming with this little zones which is nice though and normal rgb and not the split pixels va crap so no bad. Smallest 55" though
 
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Maybe for once fucking explain me instead of another post saying how wrong I am.
Good contrast? So it's va right? That's max 5000:1 and 32 dimming zones sound like shit? It's not?

Edit I've checked the rtings. Would you guess it's a normal va lcd. Ghosting, gamma cone and all. No blooming with this little zones which is nice though

It performs way better then what someone would think only seeing the limited number of zones.
 

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It performs way better then what someone would think only seeing the limited number of zones.
Ok but why? How? Because it's va so the blooming is less visible?
It is interesting that best lcd tvs use va and worst lcd monitors use va... Maybe it's time to try new va monitors? Last I had was 2 years ago and was terrible
 
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