My god this is some N4G shit right here, how the hell did you get on gaf.
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SONY set to JUNK status
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My god this is some N4G shit right here, how the hell did you get on gaf.
H_Prestige
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I wouldn't be so sure. At least as far as consumer market goes. I don't think people care about the OS anymore as 98% of the stuff they do is on the internet. As long as the computer is fast, stable, and easy to use I think that's all that will matter. Doesn't matter if it is running Mac OS, Linux, or Chrome.
I actually think windows will go the way of the desktop PC. It will be more of a specialty, for businesses and hospitals and what not.
sono
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I did not know that Sony was much bigger than MS. If thats correct they cant be that junk.
In any event I love the innovation that Sony shows from time to time. I wish them well.
Their profits are way down and they have a huge amount of debt. Their situation looks alot better though.
Captainsweatpants
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I didn't know that you studied Business Economics.
60_gig_PS3
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168B dollar companies can still be insolvent. That's why they're being cut to junk status. because it's a Very risky company to invest in.
How do you count that? Total assets + equity?
60_gig_PS3
Banned
That's a good question
"Shares of Sony, Panasonic and Sharp sank to their lowest levels in more than 30 years in Tokyo this year as investors remain unconvinced the companies can rebound from mounting losses without hit products. The three companies combined are valued at $24 billion, compared with $528 billion for Apple and $192 billion for Suwon, South Korea-based Samsung. "
What? I'm pretty sure Google will be the one left standing because MS and Apple are headed downhill right now.
DCDW
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Que Mini iPhone 5 to the rescue.
LowEndTorque
Member
I'd wager that 10 years from now laptops and desktops will be like antiques from the past and very rare thing in people's homes.
Anecdotally speaking, even nowadays nobody I know has a desktop in their home except for a few people with iMacs and a couple of PC gaming enthusiasts. Laptops have essentially replaced desktops and tablets are in the process of replacing laptops.
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
There is never just one. There is always a Yang to the Yin.
Just quoting this for hilarity's sake.
Did he take Sony's market cap in yen and think it was USD?
zomgbbqftw
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All three will survive for decades to come. I can't think of a single (logical) reason why they won't.
Melchiah
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Whenever it's leveled at someone, I always take the two minutes to check their post history
I nowadays tend to check the profile of the one who threw the term. More often than not, those blaming others are fanboys themselves.
petethepanda
Member
Ratings like "BBB-" remind me of how they just kept adding numbers onto super saiyan levels.
SpartanAGM
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Well the odd bump was worth it for this gem lol
Slayer-33
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Insane Metal
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COMBINED
Bidermaier
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So true. The only thing people wants is a smooth interface and no headaches. just the opposite of what Windows 8 gives
Synth_floyd
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Doesn't Apple have $130 billion in cash sitting around doing nothing?
Yes. They have much more capital on hand then Sony does and it's not even close.
Sony had to sell office space this quarter to stay in the black. Companies flush in cash don't need to do this.
GeneralManager
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How can you even do that? You see that number compares to Apple and MS and alarms don't go off that something's wrong.
"168B!Much bigger than Apple, MS, Google, Samsung. Yep. Makes sense. Sony is the BESTEST!"
oh wow
it came this far
SONY is a 161B company in terms of total assets
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=SNE+Balance+Sheet&annual
MS is a 121B company in terms of total assets
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=MSFT+Balance+Sheet&annual
MC is irrelevant . It is just sad to see so many IA wannabes respond to posts without knowing anything
http://siliconangle.com/blog/2012/0...rket-cap-while-sony-reports-6-4b-annual-loss/
Oh, and:
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/09/08/the-ten-year-decline-of-sony/
You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about- At all. Market Cap is at slightly over 17 billion, down from 100 billion from 2000. And you neglect to mention their liabilities, which as of June 2012 is over 135 billion.
Just stop.
Edit: MC is irrelevant?? What?
ChosenPredator
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so is the shayan guy a massive sony fan
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Or a reverse troll. Either way someone to ignore.
Captain Tuttle
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C'mon son, you can't be serious.
Codeblew
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I am rooting for Sony but come on man. From your own links:
Sony: 24B stockholder equity
MS: 66B stockholder equity
Liabilities matter bro.
MC is irrelevant in volatile markets . Investors mood/ positive news are just what you need for stock
again , you have no idea on what you are quoting. Apple stock was over 600$ when their MC hit 600B . Now it is at 400B and soon way below that since MC is based on stock price and float . Lol that not liabilities LOL . Mostly all that is based on future investments and deferred inventory adjustments
In your BS . your TA must match your TL. It doesnt mean that all you have are liabilties
Again , we have posters responding without any proper knowledge
Thats also because of the future investments . That 66B also mean that stockholders have a greater stake in the company . Like i said, dont respond for the sake of responding
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I admit I am not knowledged but that is some crazy number talk that needs to be digested.
Lol, in your balance sheet , your total liabilities must match your total assets . Any form of future investments is coded as a liability in your balance sheet. It doesnt mean that you are in immense debt
They are usually referred as TA and TL . Learn how MC is deduced before responding further
zomgbbqftw
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Not digested, ignored. It's bullshit. Market cap is the only measure worth knowing when valuing a company. It's the best guide. If you think Sony is undervalued after looking at their profile and then their market cap then invest, if not then don't. Looking at total assets held is a terrible measure since Sony own a bank which has a massive balance sheet.
I know what they mean, chief.
You still haven't responded... Maybe because you don't understand what I'm saying. It seems you don't comprehend English very well, so I'll ask again:
Sony has 135 billion in liabilities. Why do you neglect to mention that?
Apparently market cap is a useless metric. The entire financial world will turn on its head when they hear this news.
MC has and will never be a good indicator of a company . Tell that to the people who are having sleepless night with Apple's call/put contracts of 1000$ a share
Any form of positive /negative news could propel/decimate stock prices since people want to make profit and love to believe in whatever news that comes out
MC fluctuates every day . It is based on float*share price . Had MC been really a good measure then everyone would have become millionaires from OTC BB stocks
An knowledgeable IA /investor would always resort to fundamental analysis before making an investment
I wont respond to you any further since had you really understood anything then you would have known that Apple lost 30% of its MC in the last few months and currently at most broker houses, AAPL requirements are at 40% as opposed to 30% (for non OTC stock , if t trades over 5$ at NASDAQ/NYSE, you usually need only a 30% margin requirement at all broker houses in NA). Most trade analysts consider AAPL as a very volatile stock. In the balance sheet any future investment is coded as a liability. It is not worth arguing since you dont know
Try knowing before responding .
zomgbbqftw
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I'm an analyst for one of the world's top banks.
GeneralManager
Member
LOL. This is embarrassing now. Stop.
Seems like you're your knowledge is limited to a high school intro accounting class.
Total Assets is NOT how you judge a companies value.
Four_Chamber
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That was cold as ice but needed. This is getting ridiculous so a nice dose of reality (and knowledge is necessary).
I used to be like him (as an Economics major). I'd start spouting garbage based on my Intro Macroeconomics class and try to apply it to real world economies. Regardless, I was excited as hell to pretend like I knew what I was talking about.
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