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Sony reportedly in talks to sell PC ops (Vaio PC business), shares jump
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their focus is still on music and tv's... vaio's are fine, they just are not cheap enough..
it seems to me that this would be more of JV, not just sale... Lenovo doesnt really have money to buy, thats why stock went down so much.
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Sony was allegedly the first company to feature the product in a window and now almost all portable devices are packaged this way.
There's no money to be made in consoles, so yes it surely at least be on the table to turf.
Stumpokapow
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I don't think they should be in TVs, computers or laptops, tablets, or mobile. I'd also consider scaling back cameras and focusing on the sensor business, which has less risk and more reward. Sony should primarily be a content and services company long-term. They don't win on engineering because they are typically positioned as a premium consumer brand, not high enough to be a luxury brand, not cheap enough to compete in commoditized markets, rarely best of breed.
Good call, I love Vaio stylings but all of that branded products I've had experience with have had some seriously cheap/flawed technical components (HDDs that fail after a year, bluetooth/wifi that never works right, graphics chips they stop supporting while they still have major driver issues, 2 laptops of the same model that had the same issue with the power outlet internal pin breaking off...)
Razgriz-Specter
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I'd get out of the tv business as well,
that market has to suck.
focus on getting that 4k wall projector as cheap as possible and if they manage to get it to a mass market price keep it as their single 'tv'
that market has to suck.
focus on getting that 4k wall projector as cheap as possible and if they manage to get it to a mass market price keep it as their single 'tv'
They may as well get out of the PC business. They can't compete on the low-end, and Apple has the high-end pretty much to themselves.
PCs are going out of fashion, anyway. May as well leave that market to others, and pump that money into the mobile division to focus on tablets and phones.
PCs are going out of fashion, anyway. May as well leave that market to others, and pump that money into the mobile division to focus on tablets and phones.
I agree, but I'd also say that I wouldn't mind them leaving consumer hardware in general outside of sensors/ mirrorless cameras with an emphasis being placed on sensors. The main reason I'd include mirrorless is largely because it's a great growth market everywhere outside of North America, they're huge in Asia and Europe. Bringing their services and content through Playstation Now and other channels to a wide array of devices would be a great subscription opportunity and the best/ most accessible way for them to get into everyone's living room.
Forsete
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Sony is already huge when it comes to sensors, and they are not scaling back. Why should they scale back when they have had such success with the NEX cameras and later Cybershot models?
Also, mobile is improving ever since they bought out Ericsson. Z1, Z1 Compact. They are pretty big in Europe and Japan it seems. Sooner or later people will get tired of Samsungs tired Galaxy line and look for something fresh. ;P
Not even the CEO agrees with you...so No
As far as your first point is concerned, I think Stump agrees. Seems like he's saying to focus on sensors. Their mobile game is improving but it's still not particularly great yet. I don't think Sony's yet made the case for having their Xperia phones be a convincing alternative to the Galaxy line- especially with their asinine nomenclature.
Sony still making TVs is a pretty good example of the CEO being a fuckwit.
SniperHunter
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seems like a great move! Next they need to shut down the tv business and kill the movie studio.
Forsete
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Yes I know and I pointed out they already are investing in sensors. Imaging is one of the "pillars" IIRC, together with games and mobile.
Ninja Scooter
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Makes sense. The premium PC market is going to disappear for everyone not named Apple.
If it's current performance continues, it should. If Sony can figure out a cohesive content distribution strategy for all of their entertainment- gaming, film, music to a wide array of devices it can be useful. Not sure if it's worth having faith in them though.
SniperHunter
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yup. Did you see about the whitehouse attack? So fucking stupid and shitty and it bombed on top of it. I am betting these guys are using Sony's money and living lavishly. Kaz should keep a close eye on the movie studio.
SniperHunter
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Dunno about SOE. Maybe Planetside 2 makes some money and the new Everquest game looks sweet. I dunno anything about free 2 play model though.
Forsete
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Pictures, yes.. if they have some successful movies.
Spiderman made monies.
Last year was bad though.
vpance
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Lenovo has nothing to do with this. They're selling it off to an investment fund, Japan Industrial Partners.
Maybe it's a government bailout in disguise. Zomg can enlighten us on that.
No it shows you have no clue about how a business is run. You just don't abandon ship in a large corporation as this. You first try to salvage it because in the long run that's the best thing for a company. If all fails then you move on to other options, It's not a process that's done in a short period of time because there are many factors involved
It's easier to crack smart/dumb ass comments like yours.. but at least back it up with something of substance. Especially since Kaz isn't even focusing on TV to be one of their main strengths going forward. Here, read up and educate yourself a bit
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Kaz-...rience-across-all-company-electronics_id28465
entremet
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Sure. But no one is really buying them. Makes no sense to keep a floundering sector operational.
Aquamarine
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I'm not sure about Sony Pictures, but Sony's CGI Animation subsidiary Sony Pictures Animation has been successful with their most recent films...or at least successful enough to turn a profit.
Hotel Transylvania
$85 million production budget (reported) / $104 million real production budget (Deadline)
+ Marketing budget
Gross: $346,903,784
Let's say Sony ends up with 50% of this income = $173 million in profits for Sony
+ DVD / Blu-Ray sales
Sony's official response to success:
"Very satisfied with performance, will make sequel"
The Smurfs 2
$105 million production budget (reported) / $125 million real production budget (Deadline)
+ Marketing Budget
Gross: $347,545,360
Let's say Sony ends up with 50% of this income = $174 million in profits for Sony
+ DVD / Blu-Ray sales
Sony's official response to success:
"Very disappointing compared to predecessor, we had higher expectations for its success, but successful enough to continue with sequel"
Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2
$78 million production budget (reported)
+ Marketing Budget
Gross: $260,812,924
Let's say Sony ends up with 50% of this income = $130 million in profits for Sony
+ DVD / Blu-Ray sales
Sony's official response to success:
"Performing to expectations"
Sony's post summer flicks did pretty well too afaik. Captain Philips and American Hustle comes to mind
Would be interesting to see how they do this year with films like Robo Cop/Spider Man
The Main Event
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.....but what computer will James Bond use from now on?
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An Xperia smartphone.
Forsete
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Fastest in the west.
Forsete
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Mine is more likely. Tablet > phone when it comes to serious agent stuff. ;-)
AgentChris
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This plus slimming down the TV business would be best for Sony.
terrisus
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CheesecakeRecipe
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What if Lenovo made a modern iteration of the Vaio P?
:Q___
It looks kinda silly
but I want it I need it
This seems to be real story:
http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Deals/Sony-looking-to-sell-PC-business-to-investment-fund
http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Deals/Sony-looking-to-sell-PC-business-to-investment-fund
Jesus Christ.... you have no clue what you're talking about.
In general, Sony Pictures makes money... but this year White House Down and After Earth did really bad, as well as some chick vampire flick... A lot of other movies outperformed though so overall they will still make money.
Their Sony Music is #1 world wide...
There seems to be a future in everything except for PC stuff... they simply dont seem to be committed to it.
Anybody who thinks Sony should sell-off it's Entertainment (Film/TV/Music) division is a FUCKING idiot. Sony is ALWAYS gonna be able to make money from that Division because their 1 of the Big content providers. All the streaming/Digital download services, TV Networks, Movie theaters, & etc. have to go to Sony for content. Kaz made right call on not spinning-off the entertainment division. Content is KING.
Well the proposal was to spin it off as a separate entity with Sony maintaining 60% of the shares and thus most of the control and keeping the profits. It was going to be used for a more transparent reporting (as it is hard to really see how the various divisions are doing the way Sony reports them) and also as a vehicle for potential investors to jump aboard due to the fact that, as you pointed out, it's a profitable division.
Kaz made the decision to refuse it becasue he wants to integrate the division with the hardware divisions. We'll see how he fares in that regard. Seeing the various offers for the Xperia flagship receiving exclusive Sony entertainment content and SPE being on PS4 or even SPE making movies out of gaming IPs is the right way to go if he wants to continue down this route.
But i loved vaio brand. They look fantastic and have a great value. I dont know why people say vaio are expensive. E.g i bought vaio fit 15. All other brands dell hp were similarly priced but vaio had much better screen. Higher res too. Similarly vaio flip has very innovative design wise and vaio pro are also competitively priced
zeopower6
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They're pretty good imo... though for the most part like 10/12 of the last few desktops/laptops that have entered this house have been Vaios. They don't last for very long with heavy use though.
Maybe a year or two....Try a Toshiba. Those things can take a beating.
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