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[j.k.2021]

 

[Banjo64]

In case you missed it, there’s a thread for the acquisition.

 

[jm89]

 

[fermcr]

Everybody knew this... or at least suspected.

 

[nowhat]

You could have also highlighted "Microsoft states". If their lawyers are anything like uncle Phil, I wouldn't necessarily take that as face value.

Not saying it isn't true. But also, lawyers.

 

[Poltz]

You don’t understand what you are reading.

 

[Mr Hyde]

 

[Miles708]

I don't doubt for a second these companies do every kind of bullying to prevent the competitors from competing, either in the way of acquisitions or questionable practices.

Both Microsoft and Sony have decades of experience in this art.

 

[anthony2690]

We already know this/assumed this.
Also Activision/Blizzard acquisition thread exists.

Look I have preference for Xbox too, but these threads are making you look very insecure.

I would also imagine Xbox has similar deals with some of their Xbox game pass deals too, that prevent them coming to ps+ for a while.

 

[Knightime_X]

PettyStation

 

[bitbydeath]

Most third parties are writing exclusivity agreements with Sony?

Waaaah?

 

[Stare-Bear]

Luckily Microsoft has a record number of first-party studios so Gamepass will be flooded with quality content...

 

[cireza]

This has been known for a long time. It is part of exclusivity negotiations to exclude putting games on competitor services etc...

But it would still be interesting to have the details about Sony's recent exclusivity deals and their content.

 

[TheGodfather07]

What you mean sony is stopping? Nothing stops publishers from refusing sonys offers you know. Can you blame them for wanting to align with sony? Everyone wants to be associated with the market leader.

 

[reksveks]

This is a rather pointless thread and story, it's already known to some extent. Until we know about what extent, then it's just a rehash.

 

[kyussman]

A business doing business stuff.....holy god damn,someone call the cops!

 

[DarkBatman]

First start a "Yay, Gamepass is on fire" thread and then follow up with a "Sony stops Gamepass being on fire" thread by pulling out an old story from the "We all knew that" chamber.

With each passing day, the hardcore console warriors on both sides grow more and more desperate.

 

[Forsythia]

Would be kinda silly to have a marketing agreement with Sony and put the game on Game Pass at the same time.

 

[anthony2690]

First start a "Yay, Gamepass is on fire" thread and then follow up with a "Sony stops Gamepass being on fire" thread by pulling out an old story from the "We all knew that" chamber.

With each passing day, the hardcore console warriors on both sides grow more and more desperate.

I'll never understand why people focus so much on something they are not interested or invested in. (The amount of concern threads or point scoring we get from warriors is comical)

I think these people need to focus on the things they do enjoy playing instead.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Well, at least that's one rumor we heard being confirmed with evidence.

 

[Pedro Motta]

Isn't this what exclusivity deals mean? I don't get it.

 

[Three]

Isn't this what exclusivity deals mean? I don't get it.

MS need to educate their lawyers before they educate the regulators. They were listing Bloodborne as blocked from xbox.
This discovery is just corporate espionage for them.

 

[Lasha]

Isn't this what exclusivity deals mean? I don't get it.

Microsoft alleges that there are specific anti-gamepass clauses for titles which are otherwise available for sale on Xbox. Microsoft's defense is bolstered if such agreements exist because it damages the credibility of Sony's objections to the deal.

 

[DenchDeckard]

So is this just Microsoft requesting it, or is it the FTC saying that Sony has to put up the paper work?

 

[ParaSeoul]

 

[Lasha]

So is this just Microsoft requesting it, or is it the FTC saying that Sony has to put up the paper work?

Microsoft requested. Sony filed a legal objection to providing the documents. The courts sided with Microsoft with some restrictions.

 

[Snake29]

Gamepass day one third party games prevent them to be on PS+ day one…..

 

[jzosa]

This is just Microsoft stating/arguing. Such allegations require evidence and so far, there is none.

That’s why they are trying to subpoena Sony exclusivity deals documents and Sony moved to have it quash, and such was subsequently rejected.

It’s somewhat ironic that MS is relying on Sony docs so they can move forward with their acquisition.

 

[Nankatsu]

 

[lh032]

99% FTC is just going to lol and shove it off.

 

[Topher]

Microsoft alleges that there are specific anti-gamepass clauses for titles which are otherwise available for sale on Xbox. Microsoft's defense is bolstered if such agreements exist because it damages the credibility of Sony's objections to the deal.

No, Microsoft says this will aide in their defense, but whether or not it does remains to be seen. Either way, this is old news. We knew from the Apple Epic leaks that Sony's marketing agreements had clauses preventing the games from being on competitor's subscription services. It is irrelevant though as games like Resident Evil Village and Hogwarts Legacy were never going to be on Game Pass during the terms of the marketing agreement in any case. Hell, Resident Evil Village has been out of marketing time period specified for months and it still isn't on Game Pass.

 

[Lasha]

No, Microsoft says this will aide in their defense, but whether or not it does remains to be seen. Either way, this is old news. We knew from the Apple Epic leaks that Sony's marketing agreements had clauses preventing the games from being on competitor's subscription services. It is irrelevant though as games like Resident Evil Village and Hogwarts Legacy were never going to be on Game Pass during the terms of the marketing agreement in any case. Hell, Resident Evil Village has been out of marketing time period specified for months and it still isn't on Game Pass.

Everything remains to be seen. Why do you think that the documents would not aide in Microsoft's defense?

 

[Elios83]

If a company signs an exclusive marketing deal with Sony why the contract should allow the game to be available on Gamepass??
Sony pays and gives the publisher other benefits to let the game be used to push the service of the competition?
The narrative is totally disingenous and pointless, it's third party companies that decide that this kind of contract is in their own interests, Sony isn't stopping anyone against their will which is the narration this wants to create.

 

[Lasha]

If a company signs an exclusive marketing deal with Sony why the contract should allow the game to be available on Gamepass??
Sony pays and gives the publisher other benefits to let the game be used to push the service of the competition?
The narrative is totally disingenous and pointless, it's third party companies that decide that this kind of contract is in their own interests, Sony isn't stopping anyone against their will which is the narration this wants to create.

Do you also agree that the deal should go through since Activision shareholders overwhelmingly agreed that selling to Microsoft was in their best interest?

 

[Topher]

Everything remains to be seen. Why do you think that the documents would not aide in Microsoft's defense?

I didn't say they wouldn't. It depends on the arguments Microsoft's lawyers make and whether the court buys into them. Just providing documents by itself doesn't "damage credibility" of anything.

 

[Elios83]

Do you also agree that the deal should go through since Activision shareholders overwhelmingly agreed that selling to Microsoft was in their best interest?

It's a completely stupid comparison.
Acquisitions are regulated in the market, marketing deals are not.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

Just like Nintendo did with the NES and everyone still pass on that, so I guess it's ok or it should be called a PlaysationPhobia!

 

[8BiTw0LF]

Priceless

 

[Team Andromeda]

Just like Nintendo did with the NES and everyone still pass on that, so I guess it's ok or it should be called a PlaysationPhobia!

Nintendo we're even worse. They looked to stop developers from working on rival consoles

 

[Lasha]

I didn't say they wouldn't. It depends on the arguments Microsoft's lawyers make and whether the court buys into them. Just providing documents by itself doesn't "damage credibility" of anything.

The reason it would damage Sony's credibility is that it openly opposes the gamepass strategy and Microsoft's general strategy of moving away from console generations. Using ones position as a market leader to stifle the strategies of competitors while not offering a competing product is frowned upon.

It's a completely stupid comparison.
Acquisitions are regulated in the market, marketing deals are not.

The fact that Activision does not currently belong to Microsoft counteracts your statement that aquisitons are regulated "in the market". Contracts are regulated too. Regulators investigate them all the time.

 

[GymWolf]

 

[Fabieter]

Don't give a fuck about ms owning Activision. I hate that ms is anti competitive in the key store market on pc. Trying to get their games on a cheaper store is almost impossible. That's not the case with any other publisher including playstation pc.

 

[Topher]

The reason it would damage Sony's credibility is that it openly opposes the gamepass strategy and Microsoft's general strategy of moving away from console generations. Using ones position as a market leader to stifle the strategies of competitors while not offering a competing product is frowned upon.

lol.....you can believe that damages Sony's credibility all you want. It really doesn't matter.

 

[The Cockatrice]

When will this shit end? Can we go back to shitposting which exclusive game is betterx? I liked those times more because we actually had games releasing instead of corporation wars and shit.

 

[iceatcs]

Great for game business I think. Help 3rd party publishers revenue more means more stable game develops.

cos Im very positive they will make more money with Sony payment plus game revenue on all platforms than putting the game on GamePass with MS money with all platforms revenue. I thought of that cos gamepass is eating the 3rd party Xbox revenue massively.

 

[Three]

The reason it would damage Sony's credibility is that it openly opposes the gamepass strategy and Microsoft's general strategy of moving away from console generations. Using ones position as a market leader to stifle the strategies of competitors while not offering a competing product is frowned upon.

They do offer a competing product. If you look at the Complaints MS are requesting this for, which are from the FTC (not Sony), their defence seem to hinge on the idea that console exclusives from ABK games should be allowed because competitors have exclusivity deals. It has nothing to do with what you're suggesting.

 

[Nydius]

Microsoft provided zero evidence to back up the claim. Their lawyer argued an unfounded allegation. Hearsay.

 

[Vick]

You're on fire today OP.

 

[supernova8]

You're on fire today OP.

in a bad way

 

[TintoConCasera]

When will this shit end? Can we go back to shitposting which exclusive game is betterx? I liked those times more because we actually had games releasing instead of corporation wars and shit.

Most exclusive games today are kinda meh so I guess we are stuck in business hell until some more cool games come out.