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Sony insists it really likes crossplay now, PlayStation CEO says the number of titles supporting it will continue to grow

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Sony like cross play "Now" because publishers have to cut them in on players who use their platform, but purchase items on others. Basically, they didn't like it until they monetised it.

I can't be mad at them. The Fortnite stats made public via the Apple VS Epic lawsuit show they're responsible for the lions share of cross play.

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I've been around for long enough to have an idea of for how long playstation consoles supported crossplay with PC, and moreso than xbox consoles.

What a bizarro world where people now shout about Sony being completely anti-crossplay as if it's a complete novelty to them and praise Microsoft as if they've always been for crossplay.

Yeah, Sony lies LOL

We can't go back in time you know, so obviously people are discussing the current landscape. That Epic vs Apple lawsuit revealed why many games have cross-play across multiple platform except Sony's, and now Ryan is putting a nice smile pretending nothing happened, it is what it is.
 
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We can't go back in time you know, so obviously people are discussing the current landscape. That Epic vs Apple lawsuit revealed why many games have cross-play across multiple platform except Sony's, and now Ryan is putting a nice smile pretending nothing happened, it is what it is.
It indeed it what it is. But keep in mind that being aware of the history of all these companies gives some much needed perspective, otherwise people are easily manipulated by whatever narrative is currently peddled by media.
 

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It indeed it what it is. But keep in mind that being aware of the history of all these companies gives some much needed perspective, otherwise people are easily manipulated by whatever narrative is currently peddled by media.
What perspective does that give you though? You are talking as if Microsoft now is the same entity as it was 10 years ago. There are different people in charge, with different views and different strategies. It's not like it's even comparable, or that we need to keep in mind what other people decided 10 years ago.
 

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Bear in mind that papa Sony wanted to do cross play back in the Xbox 360 days and Xbox stopped that from happening. Of course at that time the Xbox 360 had its fat foot on the PS3's neck when it came roaring out the gates and setting the sales charts on fire. A time when Xbox was all too happy to share Xbox sales stats via their PR mouthpiece in Aaron Greenberg. Now the situation is reversed.

Keep this in mind when trying to label one corporation the enemy over the other. Both of them are looking to one up each other when they get the chance. It's all business in the end.
Don’t care about this way back when post. Phil wasn’t the one steering Xbox ship. He is the best CEO Xbox ever had. Jimbo is the same one that made this decision!
 

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When approximately 50% of Fortnite sales were on PS4 and they still insisted that they get a cut to cover the costs that they lost.

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/202...ercent_of_fortnites_revenue_is_on_playstation

They can market “For the Gamers” as much as they want, but the fact of the matter is that it is slowing down cross play between consoles which is more consumer friendly. In the end, it’s a plastic box that sits next to your TV and it should be able to connect to other TV connected plastic boxes in the world.

The bolded is pure entitlement! You, I, and any other gamer is not OWED this privelege. In the same way if I buy a game or app for my Android device, it doesn't mean I also should get the same app on an iPad if I bought one. They are different ecosystems. IF those ecosystems decide to work together, then that's great and we all win. But if not, it's business. But we consumers are owed it. In this case Sony is okay with crossplay, as long as they aren't losing money in the process.

Why you think you're entitled to a feature, even if it means one company loses money doing it is beyond me. Don't be that guy.
 

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The bolded is pure entitlement! You, I, and any other gamer is not OWED this privelege. In the same way if I buy a game or app for my Android device, it doesn't mean I also should get the same app on an iPad if I bought one. They are different ecosystems. IF those ecosystems decide to work together, then that's great and we all win. But if not, it's business. But we consumers are owed it. In this case Sony is okay with crossplay, as long as they aren't losing money in the process.

Why you think you're entitled to a feature, even if it means one company loses money doing it is beyond me. Don't be that guy.
Bit of a tangent. But my enthusiasm for multiplayer as a console player has taken a dive since pc crossplay became a thing. I no longer feel i can rely on a level playing field or games free from exploits.

In all honesty, paying to play multiplayer was worth it for the curated and secure matches which now seems to be missing.

I do hope for a consumer backlash at some point demanding crossplay games to be free from gold and plus. It’s only logical.
 

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Why would anybody care about that "fact" unless you're a video game historian? Xbox wants crossplay now, Sony doesn't, if that changes in the future we can be mad at Xbox then.

(The reason I put fact in quotes is because I've never seen proof Playstation was in favor of crossplay with Xbox as opposed to just PC, but even if they did it's irrelevant today)

It's not just for video game historians. It's to better understand how this business works. I've been on GAF for about 20 years. INSANE I know, but these type of arguments happen all the time and many young gamers or uninformed gamers complain about things without knowing why companies do certain things or how things used to work.

And again your post is 100% WRONG! Where are you wrong?.....

1. Sony always liked crossplay. They just wanted it to be limited. Sony had crossplay with PCs a decade ago.
2. The history of crossplay is relevant today, if you care to understand how businesses work. There's a reason why most games don't stay on GamePass forever.
 
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We can't go back in time you know, so obviously people are discussing the current landscape. That Epic vs Apple lawsuit revealed why many games have cross-play across multiple platform except Sony's, and now Ryan is putting a nice smile pretending nothing happened, it is what it is.

So pretending nothing happened with Microsoft is ok but pretending nothing happened with Sony is not? If you are going to dismiss the past with Microsoft then dismiss the past with Sony. You can't have it both ways.
 

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Well i guess it's a good thing that Playstation exists just to meet YOUR needs and not the other 150 million whatever users that pay for their games and services. Sheesh, just imagine them wasting time and money on something that YOU don't want just to make 149,999,999 other paying customers happy.

*Sorry that wasn't meant to be just a direct jab at you, it just frustrates me when people say stuff like "But i don't like it so who cares" when clearly there is a demand for it outside of their own personal desires.
Is there a demand for it though? What games are failing due to lack of cross play on PlayStation hardware.

this isn’t market demand. This is console war bullshit
 

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Destiny 2... that game that came out nearly 5 years ago?

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Besides, of course Playstation loves crossplay since practically everyone is on Playstation anyway, amirite?

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Those poor children, when it comes to money, even they don’t matter. Savage barbarians!

To elaborate, what Sony does is their business, while I’d love for cross play, I’m done arguing the point but I will forever blast their ass on their “it’s for the children” comment in the past on why they were resisting cross play.
 

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Bit of a tangent. But my enthusiasm for multiplayer as a console player has taken a dive since pc crossplay became a thing. I no longer feel i can rely on a level playing field or games free from exploits.

In all honesty, paying to play multiplayer was worth it for the curated and secure matches which now seems to be missing.

I do hope for a consumer backlash at some point demanding crossplay games to be free from gold and plus. It’s only logical.
I played Warzone a lot for a month when it came out. Never won a game but came close a few times. There was always a niggling feeling that I got cheated. I dont know if it was console players with aimbots or PC players using mouse and keyboard but it was infuriating losing gunfights I know I shouldve won. Ive been playing CoD games for well over a decade and could always finish at the top of the scoreboard on a regular basis.

Warzone just felt different even 1 on 1. I chalked it down to SSBM, but now I am thinking its probably KBM users or cheaters.
 

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I played Warzone a lot for a month when it came out. Never won a game but came close a few times. There was always a niggling feeling that I got cheated. I dont know if it was console players with aimbots or PC players using mouse and keyboard but it was infuriating losing gunfights I know I shouldve won. Ive been playing CoD games for well over a decade and could always finish at the top of the scoreboard on a regular basis.

Warzone just felt different even 1 on 1. I chalked it down to SSBM, but now I am thinking its probably KBM users or cheaters.
Same. And the not knowing part is what pisses me off. As a consequence a level of care has somehow left me.
 
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Bit of a tangent. But my enthusiasm for multiplayer as a console player has taken a dive since pc crossplay became a thing. I no longer feel i can rely on a level playing field or games free from exploits.

In all honesty, paying to play multiplayer was worth it for the curated and secure matches which now seems to be missing.

I do hope for a consumer backlash at some point demanding crossplay games to be free from gold and plus. It’s only logical.






These adapters have been around since the PS3/360 era and are more popular now than ever before and Sony and MSFT have both said they'll do nothing to stop anyone from using them. You are pearl clutching and making shit up to justify an awful opinion.
 
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Corporations aren't your friends.

Surprised by how many replies sound very personal about this very corporate decision to play dumb and say they're totally for this thing.

Just look at Pride Month for goodness sake.

What does Pride Month have to do with anything?

They already charge people for playing other companies online games, over those companies server,s 50m people are giving them free money they didn't work for, and yet they still want more, like how much more greedy can you get?

ALL THE MONEY! Microsoft is a Trillion dollar corporation. Sony isn't. So I'd say, lets allow Sony to at least be worth 1 trillion too before we put a cap on their revenue/profits.

Cause the main thing that a consumer should be worried about is their enjoyment of the product* and not the business reasons of the producers. Not having a well functioning cross-play leads to more cons than pro's.

*Slightly oversimplified

WRONG! A consumer can be equally worried about both. I'm the type of consumer that cares as much about how the business of video games, sports, etc work as I am in playing my Playstation games and watching NBA and NFL games. It's one of the reasons why I'm a member of GAF and speaking about topics like this.

I've been around for long enough to have an idea of for how long playstation consoles supported crossplay with PC, and moreso than xbox consoles.

What a bizarro world where people now shout about Sony being completely anti-crossplay as if it's a complete novelty to them and praise Microsoft as if they've always been for crossplay.

Yeah, Sony lies LOL

I wish I could agree more with you. You're 100% right. It's silly because most of these guys don't understand that in 5 years MS will change it's policies again due to the current business of that time in the future. They all do this. Every company. Nintendo has also done it. It's business.
 

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These adapters have been around since the PS3/360 era and are more popular now than ever before and Sony and MSFT have both said they'll do nothing to stop anyone from using them. You are pearl clutching and making shit up to justify an awful opinion.
and that thing has completely killed Rainbow Six Siege on console
 

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WRONG! A consumer can be equally worried about both. I'm the type of consumer that cares as much about how the business of video games, sports, etc work as I am in playing my Playstation games and watching NBA and NFL games. It's one of the reasons why I'm a member of GAF and speaking about topics like this.
That's why I say 'should' obviously a consumer can care about both and also said oversimplified. If you think that the business model leads to worse working conditions, environmental damage, negative market dynamics then obviously a consumer should be concerned.
 
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The bolded is pure entitlement! You, I, and any other gamer is not OWED this privelege. In the same way if I buy a game or app for my Android device, it doesn't mean I also should get the same app on an iPad if I bought one. They are different ecosystems. IF those ecosystems decide to work together, then that's great and we all win. But if not, it's business. But we consumers are owed it. In this case Sony is okay with crossplay, as long as they aren't losing money in the process.

Why you think you're entitled to a feature, even if it means one company loses money doing it is beyond me. Don't be that guy.

What you are calling entitlement is actually consumer demand which can spur competition and growth in the industry. Businesses will do what they can to compete, but only as long as it makes sense from a profit standpoint. Sony requiring lost income fees when no other company required it (according to legal documents from the Epic trial) is them trying to make stockholders happy. The fact of the matter is, Sony pushed against crossplay for as long as they could until consumer demand, and Epic turning it on one day as an accident, made them realize that they had to allow it.

More on topic: Although they limited it at first because they could, now Sony is seeing they they need to open it up more due to consumer demand.
 

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I played Warzone a lot for a month when it came out. Never won a game but came close a few times. There was always a niggling feeling that I got cheated. I dont know if it was console players with aimbots or PC players using mouse and keyboard but it was infuriating losing gunfights I know I shouldve won. Ive been playing CoD games for well over a decade and could always finish at the top of the scoreboard on a regular basis.

Warzone just felt different even 1 on 1. I chalked it down to SSBM, but now I am thinking its probably KBM users or cheaters.

And this is the other side of the converstion that literally NO ONE in the media wants to talk about. Because if you do, gamers on Twitter and forums will eat you alive.

What you are calling entitlement is actually consumer demand which can spur competition and growth in the industry. Businesses will do what they can to compete, but only as long as it makes sense from a profit standpoint. Sony requiring lost income fees when no other company required it (according to legal documents from the Epic trial) is them trying to make stockholders happy. The fact of the matter is, Sony pushed against crossplay for as long as they could until consumer demand, and Epic turning it on one day as an accident, made them realize that they had to allow it.

More on topic: Although they limited it at first because they could, now Sony is seeing they they need to open it up more due to consumer demand.

There's a thin line between entitlement and consumer demand. No other company required it because no other companies was bringing that many boys to the yard like Sony can. Sony is the market leader, so they have the most to lose. And again.......Sony have been pro-crossplay for Playstation to PCs. Just not for consoles. There's a reason for that.

But at the end of the day, I do like the consumer demand that's being applied to Sony here for the most part. It'll only make them a better company overall.
 

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So pretending nothing happened with Microsoft is ok but pretending nothing happened with Sony is not? If you are going to dismiss the past with Microsoft then dismiss the past with Sony. You can't have it both ways.

That's exactly what I said, no? I don't care what happened 5, 10, 20 years ago, what matters is what's going on now. And what's going now is the opposite of what Ryan says, you could say he's Sony's Michael Patcher.
 
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That's exactly what I said, no? I don't care what happened 5, 10, 20 years ago, what matters is what's going on now. And what's going now is the opposite of what Ryan says, you could say he's Sony's Michael Patcher.

I'm not following your point. What "is going on now is the opposite of what Ryan says". What do you mean?
 
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Don't play on Xbox so can't tell which. But with healthy install-base you don't need console crossplay nor console-PC to fill the void.
That's not what it's about though. You said one shouldnt support another and I'd agree if it actually happens but if that's not true the argument doesn't matter.

I used to say that it wasn't necessary too until I realized it gave me MORE value in my games as I was able to play with my kids and friends from different platforms.
 

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That's not what it's about though. You said one shouldnt support another and I'd agree if it actually happens but if that's not true the argument doesn't matter.

I used to say that it wasn't necessary too until I realized it gave me MORE value in my games as I was able to play with my kids and friends from different platforms.

I think this is only true in the US/UK. I think most of the world are mostly single-console, and that's mostly PS5. It's really not a PS player problem in a global scale.

Also this is free help for consoles that suffer from very low install base in certain games that might die faster than COD games or BF.
 

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I think this is only true in the US/UK. I think most of the world are mostly single-console, and that's mostly PS5. It's really not a PS player problem in a global scale.

Also this is free help for consoles that suffer from very low install base in certain games that might die faster than COD games or BF.
But are there any cases of this happening? And how is it a bad thing to provide more value to your own base? If the game is dead on one, it almost certainly is on another. Servers get shut down at the same time.

And it is mostly third party games so the weight is being carried by them, not Sony.
 

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PR Nonsense. Jim didn't say anything about whether he was gonna get rid of that ridiculous royalty policy? Crossplay between Xbox and PC is nice but I do have some friends on Playstation too, so hopefully they will lighten up a bit.
 

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Just put Crossplay in all fighting games, anything else is secondary, for now at least.
 
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I played Warzone a lot for a month when it came out. Never won a game but came close a few times. There was always a niggling feeling that I got cheated. I dont know if it was console players with aimbots or PC players using mouse and keyboard but it was infuriating losing gunfights I know I shouldve won. Ive been playing CoD games for well over a decade and could always finish at the top of the scoreboard on a regular basis.

Warzone just felt different even 1 on 1. I chalked it down to SSBM, but now I am thinking its probably KBM users or cheaters.

And this is the other side of the converstion that literally NO ONE in the media wants to talk about. Because if you do, gamers on Twitter and forums will eat you alive.
 

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But are there any cases of this happening? And how is it a bad thing to provide more value to your own base? If the game is dead on one, it almost certainly is on another. Servers get shut down at the same time.

And it is mostly third party games so the weight is being carried by them, not Sony.

Never seen a game I'm interested in suffer from that. Even the garbage Destruction Allstars still have a healthy amount of players last time I've checked, and that's PS5-only with no access to PS4.
 

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Cross play between console and pc has been around since the Dreamcast, and cross play between consoles has been around since 2001, insane that people are still against it, and that it still isn't universally supported. When Xbox was anti-crossplay, people called them out, and now that Sony is anti-crossplay, they're being rightfully called out. Anyone defending this is either on Sony's payroll, or likely mentally ill :messenger_tears_of_joy: Charging for crossplay is a terrible thing to do, smaller devs won't be able to afford it, and larger devs will now have to cut costs in other places to support it.

Believe it or not Soy fans, Sony can absolutely afford to take a loss here. They'll still be top dog even if they roll over here, no need to defend them so hard. They won't go out of business from loosing a few $ here and there, and you'll greatly benefit from a more consumer friendly company.
 
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Never seen a game I'm interested in suffer from that. Even the garbage Destruction Allstars still have a healthy amount of players last time I've checked, and that's PS5-only with no access to PS4.
I was thinking that too which leads me to think that it wouldn't be artificially supporting the other platforms. In fact, it just adds more to the current which is obviously good.
 
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I was thinking that too which leads me to think that it wouldn't be artificially supporting the other platforms. In fact, it just adds more to the current which is obviously good.

I think some games take much more time in matchmaking as reported by some. But again, I don't have an Xbox nor I have friends with one so all I know about xbox is mostly from the internet.
 

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I want a straight answer from people who dog Sony over their royalty for enabling cross play.

When Sony's userbase far outstrips XB, Switch, PC, mobile OS's combined (as we heard recently, I believe it was for Fortnite or Apex Legends), and in other areas, you have games selling 80% of their sales happening on PS vs other platforms... Why in the hell should Sony open up to crossplay without some monetary gain? It's a move that only helps their competition and 3rd party game developers, not necessarily Sony or PS.
 

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I want a straight answer from people who dog Sony over their royalty for enabling cross play.

When Sony's userbase far outstrips XB, Switch, PC, mobile OS's combined (as we heard recently, I believe it was for Fortnite or Apex Legends), and in other areas, you have games selling 80% of their sales happening on PS vs other platforms... Why in the hell should Sony open up to crossplay without some monetary gain? It's a move that only helps their competition and 3rd party game developers, not necessarily Sony or PS.
If someone on Playstation plays with a friend on another platform clearly that benefits that Playstation owner. Is that not enough?
 
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If someone on Playstation plays with a friend on another platform clearly that benefits that Playstation owner. Is that not enough?
Well yeah, but that's somewhat irrelevant. Sony have long done PS2-PC, PSP-PS3, VITA-PS4, and I believe PS4-PC, PS4-PS5 and PS5-PC initiatives like cross platform play, cross gamesave usage, and cross buy.

I didn't say from the user's point of view. I said from Sony's business pov. You can't even say "oh go-on, be fair, papa Sony", they're gonna turn round and say "but we have most market share, if they want to play together then the person on XB or whatever platform should get a PS". Why should Sony hurt themselves and give a free boon to their direct competition, and not at least get some financial compensation for it?

... Because people cry on twitter?

Cross play and cross gen/PS-PC all devalue the reasons for needing to get Sony's latest and greatest machine, but that's a wider conversation for a later time.
 
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Well yeah, but that's somewhat irrelevant. Sony have long done PS2-PC, PSP-PS3, VITA-PS4, and I believe PS4-PC, PS4-PS5 and PS5-PC initiatives like cross platform play, cross gamesave usage, and cross buy.

I didn't say from the user's point of view. I said from Sony's business pov. You can't even say "oh go-on, be fair, papa Sony", they're gonna turn round and say "but we have most market share, if they want to play together then the person on XB or whatever platform should get a PS". Why should Sony hurt themselves and give a free boon to their direct competition, and not at least get some financial compensation for it?

they shouldn't from a business standpoint, which is exactly why the users will have to demand it and basically threaten them with the possibility of bad PR should they not comply.
because then it does start to affect their business

and you have games that have bigger playerbases on Xbox, Titanfall 2 for example always had a bigger playerbase on Xbox, and would therefore benefit from crossplay on PS4. doubly so because it does have a relatively small playerbase in general.
and games with tiny playerbases benefit on every system. Fighting games are extremely affected by this issue. many have maybe a dozen or so players online at any time if you are lucky... and having crossplay there also benefits Sony because they then might sell more copies because people know that at least the potential pool of players is bigger than if it didn't have crossplay
 
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they shouldn't from a business standpoint, which is exactly why the users will have to demand it and basically threaten them with the possibility of bad PR should they not comply.
because then it does start to affect their business
Right, but this isn't something that acts in a bubble, like Sony suddenly turning around and supporting Backwards Compatability would. That's a feature that many people want, and could cause them bad PR. But people have been botching about Sony's lack of bc since the PS3 took it out.

Talking specifically about enabling cross play, that only serves to help Sony's competitors. No one's able to give a sound reason why Sony should do it. Now the they have a royalty fee attached to the act, something instead of nothing. Sony can justify doing it for whicjever developers want to pony up the royalty fee. And I don't see anything wrong with that, personally? It makes logical sense to me.
 

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Right, but this isn't something that acts in a bubble, like Sony suddenly turning around and supporting Backwards Compatability would. That's a feature that many people want, and could cause them bad PR. But people have been botching about Sony's lack of bc since the PS3 took it out.

Talking specifically about enabling cross play, that only serves to help Sony's competitors. No one's able to give a sound reason why Sony should do it. Now the they have a royalty fee attached to the act, something instead of nothing. Sony can justify doing it for whicjever developers want to pony up the royalty fee. And I don't see anything wrong with that, personally? It makes logical sense to me.
Yes things are not in a bubble. It's about engagement. I'm sure there are Xbox owners that convinced a Playstation owner to buy a game so they could play together. That game purchase and possible DLC wouldn't have happened if crossplay wasn't a thing. It's such a shortsighted view to think Sony (and their users) don't benefit from this.