asdasdasdbb
Member
I don't think it will happen but it would be nice if NV shrinked it to N4P at least.
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peish
Member
Yeah... I was holding out for a 5080 Ti. Alas, here we sit.
China just banned 5090 DD, Nvidia may have surplus to make 5080Ti, 384bit 24GB maybe some more disabled shaders.
I believe in Jensen, he wants to keep his gaming roots alive!
Bojji
Member
You can't really count fake frames as performance improvement...
//DEVIL//
Member
for single player games i do count them as such. considering i play with a controller I dont feel the input lag to a point where its bad experience.
in competitve multiplayer games? of course not.
but seeing 240 frames locked on FH6 and other games, yeah ill take it.
Bojji
Member
Yeah, I guess it could be an argument for users of 240-360+ Hz monitors, for regular 120Hz users (I have 4k tv) 2x frame gen is pretty much all that is needed.
If you aren't enabling all the bells and whistles? Sure.
But the RTX 20 wasn't that much of an uplift from RTX 10. It's why Jenson told everyone it's safe to upgrade when they did the RTX 30 announcement. The 3080 was a great price and big uplift from the 2080 which barely moved the needle from the 1080/1080ti.
Bojji
Member
2018 GPU still supports all modern day features (and will do it for the next few years), I bet he was talking about that.
2080Ti with 11GB VRAM is still a very decent GPU.
//DEVIL//
Member
if i remember correctly, you also have a 4090 no ?
that card is perfect. for 4k 120 TV is more than overkill for many gmaes too. honestly as i said, if I knew things would turn out this way, i wouldnt have sold my 4090. I had it for 1600$ Canadian ( 1200 US ? ) used for the FE.
with that being said, few months later everything started going up in price and i ended up selling for good profit towards the 5090 ( i think i made around 900$ canadian profit lol )
delirium trigger
Member
24 gb of vram in a 5070 ti super? Sounds too good to be true.
I am talking about that.
DLSS SR has done wonders for increasing the life span of a GPU.
Just imagine how badly older GPUs would have gamed with no DLSS.
Supports and run well are two very different things. My 12GB 3080ti was struggling with some game at 3440x1440. I'm now on a 5070ti at 4K and it's a big difference.
The RTX 20 cards were meant to do raytracing. But they were dogs at it. It wasn't until RTX 30 that it was a usable feature.
delirium trigger
Member
Everyone brags about the godly 1080/ti lasting for a 8+ years at 1080p but the truth is, the lowly 3060 will probably go 10+ years.
It's perception. It's because it was the flagship and "only" 699$.
Bojji
Member
I have 4070TI Super, it's perfectly fine for 4K gaming with DLSS and (sometimes) FGx2. MFG support would be nice but in most games I would hit that 120Hz wall anyway with not even 3x FG.
They are just changing 2GB memory modules to 3GB memory modules.
RT speed can be poor, but they still perfectly capable for MS, VRS, SFS and DLSS3/4.
Celcius
°Temp. member
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but you're either outright trolling us or you're Jensen's burner account lol.
kiphalfton
Member
Back when memory was affordable, I'd be optimistic it would offer more performance and worst case scenario cost the same as the model one down that it's replacing.
Now...
Now...
I fail to see how taking LPDDR5X from Racks (which limits long context due to KVCache) to give gamers a few more GBs is revenue or earnings positive. So yea he's doing it for PR.
Hawk The Slayer
Member
I instantly knew not to give him the benefit of a doubt. And he's most likely not trolling which is even worse cause some Nvidia defenders are indeed that delusional and crazy.
It's one thing to be okay with the crazy overprice crap but it's another to outright defend them against fellow consumers. I got a amazing deal last year, the powerspec G758 from Microcenter Center. If I add all the parts together than it would actually be even cheaper than getting all those parts at MRSP, even more so since I don't have to build it myself nor pay for it to be build. But just because I got a amazing deal even cheaper than MRSP does not mean I'm going to defend Nvidia. Because the below MRSP I got with my pre built deal SHOULD have been the actual default price in the first place cause even the base MRSP is overpriced for what they bring to the table.
Honestly don't even reply to that crazy delusional Nivida defenders, they are too far gone.
RTX 50 series sold like wildfire. They were already priced very aggressively as is.
RTX 5060 Ti 16GB at 429$ is
pricing.
LavitzSlambert
Member
Yeah, we know it's going to be a large markup. Even the 5070ti AIBs were $850 to $1k to begin with. If the price is reasonable, they are going to be extremely scarce and demand itself will bump market price up. And unless it's expensive enough to begin with, manufacturers are going to get squeezed on the AIBs and pass costs on to their customers.
Definitely pushing the 6000 series back, and not worth it for you. I'd sit and wait. Except for the 5070 Super, it seems like a skip across the board.
- 5060 Super is a downgrade from the 5060ti and marginal upgrade from the base 5060. It's like a gutted 5070, though I guess there's room for it depending on pricing.
- 5070 Super actually gets a huge RAM increase, more cores, speed increase. If it's that good without inflating price too much, I see it as the new value king over the 5070ti. Thing is it might struggle with longevity at 1440p/RT, but if that's fine I can see this as a worthwhile option - finally.
- 5070ti Super is memory capacity increase only, so unless we see 16GB as insufficient, there's not going to be a meaningful performance boost. It's a 1440p card to begin with, not sure it will be quite fast enough for 4K.
- 5080 Super is basically OCed and has the amount of RAM it should have launched with. It's going to be expensive and occupies an awkward spot in the lineup.
Seconded, when 5080 dropped to 899$, High End Real Gamers (e.g., Frame Chasers) perceived it to be so cheap and such value that they bought 3-4 of them LMAO.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I think it's more profit taking coupled with inflation and higher treasuries.
The spend on AI is continuing and we have OpenAI and Anthropic hitting the market at $1trillion shortly. And SpaceX is trying to go for $1.75Trillion.
Plus hyperscalers are spending like crazy on AI and so is China and now Europe.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
The synical side of me wonders if this is a planned reaction to the AI bubble showing some issues. Most major players in AI space co-Pilot, Claude, Gemini services are facing a backlash due to token costs. Many companies are finding out it's more expensive to use AI than to pay people to do the jobs.
They may not want to piss off gamers too much or they will abandon them in case they need to swing back to us for some revenue.
They may not want to piss off gamers too much or they will abandon them in case they need to swing back to us for some revenue.
Imagine being such shameless corporate cuck?
I don't cheer for loser brands (AMD, Intel, etc). Losers suck.
memoryman3
Member
x86 will always be better than ARM in the PC space thanks to compatibility. Only reason to hate AMD post RDNA 5 is whatever state their drivers are in at launch.
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asdasdasdbb
Member
It's possible that Rubin CPX might not be as popular as expected... and they are favoring LPDDR for non-HBM products instead.
Also possible that they convinced the memory manufacturers to move to 3/4 GB GDDR7 faster, which means they have to get off of GDDR6/2 GB GDDR7.
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Hoddi
Member
Feels a bit l late but there are 5120x2160 monitors coming out now. I want to buy the Alienware OLED when it releases but my current 5080 is already feeling quite memory constricted at 3440x1440.
In contrast, nvidia's Blackwell drivers are still awful more than a year later with regular driver crashes and hard freezes on my system. Turing had similar issues at launch but it never took this long to fix them. And my old 2080 Ti is still rock solid running the same drivers.
AMD's drivers are perfectly fine in my experience. People are still latching on to something that was an issue a decade ago on OGL/DX11 but is completely irrelevant on Vulkan/DX12.
In contrast, nvidia's Blackwell drivers are still awful more than a year later with regular driver crashes and hard freezes on my system. Turing had similar issues at launch but it never took this long to fix them. And my old 2080 Ti is still rock solid running the same drivers.
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