Bombolone
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Richard Leadbetter (Digital Foundry) calls out AMD, Nvidia and AIBs for allowing GPU price gouging
- Thread starter SlimySnake
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Pretty much it's econ 101. I'm still surprised at the number of people that think price is objective when it's subjective. (IE people really should just take econ 101 and 102.)
Topher
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As you say, Econ 101. Probably the best course I took in college (30 years ago...lol).
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Imru’ al-Qays
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PC gamers by definition aren't interested in bang for your buck - if they were they'd be buying consoles. Obviously this is the easiest market in the world to price gouge.
Come On Tars
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No way to solve it but increase supply or Bitcoin crash
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
AMD started it. When the 6800/6900s launched only the reference cards sold for MSRP or near it, every non reference AIB was 200-400 more while the NVidia AIBs were still MSRP + 30 and up. You could see a Gigabyte card for Nvidia at 60 over MSRP and the AMD equivalent at 250 over MSRP. I guess the issue was the NVidia cards launched before anyone knew how bad it was going to be, but by the time AMD launched, these assholes knew they could gouge and in some sense should gouge ( keep scalping less profitable and take it all yourself)
In theory this makes sense, but in practice next cards will launch sky high and be scalped half way to the moon. This will set the stage for weeks or months of more scalping. The sad/sick part of this all is that so many of us 3xxx / 6xxx owners will probably try to get new cards because of the scarcity.
VFXVeteran
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We'll have to disagree on this one. I really think that scalpers have limits. We just haven't touched on them yet. And consumers have limits too. I won't pay for a $3000 graphics card unless it's literally better than my entire computer with RAM and super-powerful GPU.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Calling Richard Leadbetter Digital Daddy isn't even in the same universe as mocking him.
You have to be some fragile snowflake to think that.
Calling someone an 8yo for making a harmless joke is absolutely you being a condescending douche. It was a joke. If you didn't find it funny, move on. You don't have to try to belittle someone because they don't share your sense of humour. Last I checked humour is universal across people of all ages, but it's also subjective. If a joke is funny, it's funny whether you're 5 or 65, OR it simply isn't, and if it isn't it's just because your sense of humour is different. Not because the person making the joke is juvenile. What you did is gaslighting, for no other reason except that you mistook a harmless jest for mocking; because you seem to have some weird hardon for the DF guys? I have no idea why.
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meanspartan
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Yep. IMO, there is no such thing as "price gouging". What there is, actually, is middle men selling at the real price the market thinks the product is actually worth, becsuse MSRP isn't reflecting that real value.
If their price is too high, it won't sell.
There was 7% overall inflation in the last 12 months. Prices may calm down as supplies improve, but it's unlike we see January 2020 prices again.
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kyliethicc
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1 - You're projecting your victim complex onto old Dicky Leadbetter.
2 - You're not not being a condescending douche.
3 - I wasn't making fun of Digital Daddy.
Get well soon love. Ratchet's pixar fur has you down bad.
VFXVeteran
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Go look at the emojs on my comment and see who sent me a "Praise the Sun" emoji. That very guy you guys look up to and respect. He evidently agrees with my comment? How about actually seeing if it's NOT me but this forum of teenagers? You guys troll DF every chance you get and people are tired of it.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Get a grip dude. It was some light humor. Seeking affirmation from emojis is what teenagers do
DeepEnigma
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Kenpachii
Member
Consoles don't have to compete with miners. complete different situation.
The moment u can mine with those boxes, u won't be seeing 550 ps5's anymore.
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VFXVeteran
Banned
Right. So I'm the teenager now. Got it!
beepboopbopflop
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It's completely fucked right now trying to find a new GPU, my fiance built a pc and we had to salvage an old 980 ti that our roommate had until she can find a gpu. Basically just waiting to hit the newegg shuffle lottery or find one when they get in stock somewhere.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Your constant urge to bitch and moan about PS gamers makes you look like one, yeah
VFXVeteran
Banned
Didn't you get banned recently? I can guarantee you that the reason you got banned is what I bitch and moan about PS gamers. You guys aren't innocent.
Ass of Can Whooping
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I haven't been banned in months. Been working on my attitude
You clearly haven't made any effort though since you came back out of your hole
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kyliethicc
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1 - I don't look up to anyone on the internet lol.
2 - When you're analyzing emojis, you're down bad.
3 - Love you, muffin.
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Pedro Motta
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I bought last week, 2x 3090 for 3000 euros each. I feel robbed but I had no choice..This situation sucks big time, and component shortages just don’t cut it anymore.
Kenpachii
Member
God dam lol
Pedro Motta
Member
Not like this.
Huevos de Oro
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Reizo Ryuu
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The gpu makers should just run ads with the prices, and force the board partners to run at least one ad as well; this way anyone who jacks up the price will have to deal with false advertising.
But AMD and Nvidia don't care so this will never happen.
But AMD and Nvidia don't care so this will never happen.
Reallink
Member
Nvidia and AMD have total control of the chips, it's 100% their design and IP, the AIB's have absolutely nothing without them. If Nvidia and AMD wanted cards to be sold at MSRP, they absolutely would be. They'd simply stop selling chips to AIB who refuse to honor reasonable MSRP's. They could also significantly curtail scalping and mining by forcing retailers (via withholding inventory) to implement a simple customer database that allowed only 1 GPU to be sold per matching billing and shipping address (no business addresses or PO boxes) until inventory is normalized. They do neither of these things cause none of them (Nvidia/AMD, AIB's, or Retailers) give a flying fuck who buys them, they all just want as many thousands of dollars per sell as possible.
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Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
I don't think this is entirely true, because AMD at least does sell their cards at MSRP on their own site, whenever they have stock obviously.
It just doesn't seem like they care at all about board partners honouring MSRP or not.
Reallink
Member
MSI, Asus, Gigabyte, et.al have 0 stake or ownership of Ampere or RDNA. AIB's place batch orders that Nvidia and AMD fulfill at their own discretion. The AIB's abide solely to Nvidia/AMD's terms and demands. If they cared about MSRP they'd give all the AIB's an ultimatum. Either sell at MSRP (+/- $50-$100 to account for coolers/ports), or we'll sell chips solely to your competitors that agree to, or we'll dump all the chips into our first party cards.
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Reizo Ryuu
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Yes, but they sell to distributors, who then sell to stores, really just sounds like everybody is taking a piece of the profits.
