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"I Need a New PC!" 2021. Sold Out Edition.

rofif

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I don't think ddr5 matters.... memory never "really" matters.
I am not sure why pcs have not moved to unified memory. 16gb of system ram is now a standard for years and years. Still 32gb is not needed.
btw - I did noticed quite a bit bigger electricity bill in last year. 330w 3080 is not a good idea. these cards use too much energy.
While 300W is still somewhat acceptable... rumors of new 500w ?! cmon
 
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There is no future proofing with computers. By the time you see any payoff in performance for paying that premium you will be looking at upgrading the whole damn thing anyway. Just focus on 10th gen Intel and get a DDR4 platform, and save the $$$ now and worry about buying the next level of X parts when they become standard not the bleeding edge of technology.

I bought a Pentium 4 w/ RAMBUS when Intel had its fall in early 2000s. That was a mistake. Don't be me. Buy what is the best performing value proposition now. Enjoy it for 4-5 years and look for the next upgrade.

DDR5 is stupidly expensive as of now. I would skip.

Like the other guy said, buy a 12700k or a 5800x/5900x whatever floats your boat, get 32gb of memory 2x16 and a 7gbps SSD. and u are good to go for the next 5 years.

With 12700k some boards have ddr4 + pci-e 5.0 for the GPU, so u could get that going to get some more gpu bandwidth ( not like u actually need it but whatever ).
Thanks for the advice. The 12700k is currently 130€ more than the 12600 over here.

EDIT:

Btw, which mobo would choose between the two?

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/PRIME/PRIME-Z690-P-D4/techspec/

 
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My computer is using:

Ryzen 7 3800x
2x 8GB RAM
Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite
Nvidia Geforce 2060 Super
1x 250GB a2000 Kingston nvme (OS drive)
1x 1TB a2000 Kingston nvme (games/apps)

My plan is to replace the 1TB with a 2TB however if I could still use the 1 TB as extra storage without using to many pcie lanes so the gpu goes from 16 lanes to 8 lanes I'd like to do that, but trying to get the fact straight on what will/would happen just makes my head hurt...

So the question is.
Could I add a pcie nvme adapter for a 3rd nvme without getting pcie lane downgrade?
 

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Ordered the Dell SG2127DGF at the weekend, arrives tomorrow or Wednesday. 27", Nano IPS, 1440 and 165hz, Freesync and G-Sync Compatible.

Can't wait. Been stuck at 60hz and 75hz monitors respectively for years so it's nice to get a budget friendly upgrade, particularly after the Cyber Monday discount (and a Bluelight discount on top of that too).

My VX3276 even running at 75hz suffers badly from ghosting, making it a colossal waste of money in the grand scheme of things for gaming.
 

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Ordered the Dell SG2127DGF at the weekend, arrives tomorrow or Wednesday. 27", Nano IPS, 1440 and 165hz, Freesync and G-Sync Compatible.

Can't wait. Been stuck at 60hz and 75hz monitors respectively for years so it's nice to get a budget friendly upgrade, particularly after the Cyber Monday discount (and a Bluelight discount on top of that too).

My VX3276 even running at 75hz suffers badly from ghosting, making it a colossal waste of money in the grand scheme of things for gaming.
I have the older version of that monitor. Its wonderful
 
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My computer is using:

Ryzen 7 3800x
2x 8GB RAM
Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite
Nvidia Geforce 2060 Super
1x 250GB a2000 Kingston nvme (OS drive)
1x 1TB a2000 Kingston nvme (games/apps)

My plan is to replace the 1TB with a 2TB however if I could still use the 1 TB as extra storage without using to many pcie lanes so the gpu goes from 16 lanes to 8 lanes I'd like to do that, but trying to get the fact straight on what will/would happen just makes my head hurt...

So the question is.
Could I add a pcie nvme adapter for a 3rd nvme without getting pcie lane downgrade?
I in this situation purchased a 4tb hdd and use Store MI. which apart from a cpu usage issue with the last point release(now fixed in latest) has been a good cheap alternative to a bigger ssd.
 

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Do you guys think it is worth paying the DDR5 premium for future-proofing a 12600K build currently? First and foremost, I'll use it for gaming and the current benchmarks I've seen don't show a significant increase in performance, if any. But I guess that could change with future games?
No. It would be the absolute stupidest investment you can make. By the time DDR5 becomes affordable a new platform will be out and it will make sense to go then.

You need something now, go with a DDR4 system. DDR5 is a stupid waste of money.
 

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I in this situation purchased a 4tb hdd and use Store MI. which apart from a cpu usage issue with the last point release(now fixed in latest) has been a good cheap alternative to a bigger ssd.
Interesting.

Will look into it, see if it could be a viable option if i need even bigger storage space in the future.
 

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My computer is using:

Ryzen 7 3800x
2x 8GB RAM
Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite
Nvidia Geforce 2060 Super
1x 250GB a2000 Kingston nvme (OS drive)
1x 1TB a2000 Kingston nvme (games/apps)

My plan is to replace the 1TB with a 2TB however if I could still use the 1 TB as extra storage without using to many pcie lanes so the gpu goes from 16 lanes to 8 lanes I'd like to do that, but trying to get the fact straight on what will/would happen just makes my head hurt...

So the question is.
Could I add a pcie nvme adapter for a 3rd nvme without getting pcie lane downgrade?

https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_x570-aorus-elite-wifi_1002_e_v1.pdf

If you look in the manual for your motherboard (page 5, 7-8) you can see how the PCIe lanes are arranged.

Ryzen 3800x has total of 24 PCIe lanes, 16x for graphics, 4x for a M.2 slot, 4x for the chipset. In your case the top 16x slot is always 16x and directly connected to the CPU. The bottom slot is only 4x even though it's a 16x mechanically and connected to the chipset. So if you put a PCIe M.2 adapter in that slot it'll share the PCIe lanes with the bottom M.2 slot through the chipset.
 
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I bought a 10900x 18 months ago (dual boot gaming PC and music DAW with lots of SSD's so needed the 48x PCIe lanes and quad speed memory) , was thinking about upgrading to a 12900k and then I seen the price of all the bollocks that you pay to go with it. So £560 for CPU, then a motherboard with enough USB is another £400ish and then £450 for 32gb DDR5. The newer CPU bundles aren't exactly pocket friendly.

Or I can just get a 10980xe for £750 which is about 85% the speed of the 12900k and swap it out.

It's a hard one.
 
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https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_x570-aorus-elite-wifi_1002_e_v1.pdf

If you look in the manual for your motherboard (page 5, 7-8) you can see how the PCIe lanes are arranged.

Ryzen 3800x has total of 24 PCIe lanes, 16x for graphics, 4x for a M.2 slot, 4x for the chipset. In your case the top 16x slot is always 16x and directly connected to the CPU. The bottom slot is only 4x even though it's a 16x mechanically and connected to the chipset. So if you put a PCIe M.2 adapter in that slot it'll share the PCIe lanes with the bottom M.2 slot through the chipset.
So would the bold mean.

NVMe on motherboard x4 + PCIe M.2 adapter x4 <OR> NVMe on motherboard x2 + PCIe M.2 adapter x2
 

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So would the bold mean.

NVMe on motherboard x4 + PCIe M.2 adapter x4 <OR> NVMe on motherboard x2 + PCIe M.2 adapter x2

The 4x chipset lanes are shared for all peripherals so you should get the full bandwidth reading from either drive individually, but if you're reading/writing with both at the same time it's multiplexed. I'm not 100% certain exactly how the PCIe muxing works on X570, but to me it seems like it should only really be an issue if you want to use two PCIe 4.0 SSDs over the chipset at the same time, so you get capped to ~3.5GB/s read for each essentially.

 

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The 4x chipset lanes are shared for all peripherals so you should get the full bandwidth reading from either drive individually, but if you're reading/writing with both at the same time it's multiplexed. I'm not 100% certain exactly how the PCIe muxing works on X570, but to me it seems like it should only really be an issue if you want to use two PCIe 4.0 SSDs over the chipset at the same time, so you get capped to ~3.5GB/s read for each essentially.

Nice. that's how the picture should have been presented in the manual with colored lines and numbers.

My NVMe's will be of the Gen3 variety, Gen4 is still to expensive for my taste, so I guess I'll be just fine.
 

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btw - I did noticed quite a bit bigger electricity bill in last year. 330w 3080 is not a good idea. these cards use too much energy.
While 300W is still somewhat acceptable... rumors of new 500w ?! cmon
This a concern for me. The hidden cost of parts will get you, and I don't want that. I'm happier maintaining a happy medium on more efficient hardware even if it's not as good. My humble 1660ti is 120W, which is a huge difference (although so is the performance)
 
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Quoting myself.
Since my last post, I have tried "resetting" the network by turning all of the computers back to super-private modes, then restarting all of the computers, then making sure I can't see them on the network, then setting them all back up to the proper "share" settings again, then restarting each one. It still doesn't work.


I'm trying to avoid buying a NAS, if I can help it. Even today, on Black Friday, they're ridiculously expensive.
Plus, a NAS wouldn't let me read/write files to each separate computer on my network, as far as I know.


I'd like to just get this fixed through Windows, but I'm open to suggestions.
Does anybody know of some good (free, preferably) software that would allow each of my computers to read/write to any drive on any of the machines on the network?

Quoting myself again.



I can get my home network to reappear if I manually add one more folder to the "Share" list.
The problem is that now I have a random, empty, folder in my list of accessible folders, which annoys me.

An even bigger problem is that the network has died again, after I installed another Windows update.

So, basically, I can get my LAN to work perfectly (albeit with random folders in the listings), but then Windows fucks it all up every time something updates.


Anybody know of any software that will allow me to access all of the files and folders on any of my computers on my own network; without needing to upload everything to a cloud in order to move files from one pc to another?
The setup I'm trying to make permanent, when it works, allows me to stream music/movies from my home server onto any other machine in my house. That's pretty much the only damn thing I want to do; and it seems crazy to me that the only software out there that seems to allow such a thing is hosted on some random Russian website that's full of pop-up ads.


I also recognize that this may not be the best thread for this question, but all of the other options are months/years old.


Anybody have any ideas?
 

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I don't think ddr5 matters.... memory never "really" matters.
I am not sure why pcs have not moved to unified memory. 16gb of system ram is now a standard for years and years. Still 32gb is not needed.
btw - I did noticed quite a bit bigger electricity bill in last year. 330w 3080 is not a good idea. these cards use too much energy.
While 300W is still somewhat acceptable... rumors of new 500w ?! cmon

BF2042 gets scary close to using a full 16GB.
 

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RDNA2 was builded to compete with nvidia on the same power budget of a 2080ti. They never expected nvidia to move to 350+ watt cards to push performance forwards as there halo cards where designed around 300w. If AMD designed there RDNA2 around 350-500w. The performance would be straight up 50% higher already. This is why i said a while ago when ampere just launched that i didn't had the feeling that the 3090 was there halo card, but that they had a 500w or even higher monster card ready if amd would go that route. Instead they cut the card to the point they felt it was fine and competitive + yields high enough for fighting off AMD.

RDNA2 nvidia had lots of options to fight them.
- lower nm
- more watt
- 30% advantage already with turing over rdna1
- DLSS

So my logical conclusion at rdna2 reveal was, nvidia real struggle will start when RDNA3 starts to hit the market. That card will be a pain in the ass to compete against.
Because:
- No performance advantage
- RDNA3 will focus on high wattage also so no wattage tricks anymore ( big chance RDNA3 has a 500w if not a 600w halo card themselves this time around )
- MCM
- DLSS will probably be required to compete.

It's going to be interesting to see how nvidia is going to compete with this.

If i was nvidia i would do the following if hopper wasn't ready yet.

- increase wattage far above what amd delivers so 600w+
- bake dlss into the card itself so it does it automatically in every game without the need of additional software ( because reviewers )
- Drastically focus on DLSS quality improvement ( we already see this with 2.3, it will probably launch with 3.0 which could basically mean 1080p>4k without quality loss, intel also seems to focus on this ) ( that's 2x performance gain right there ), so only 100% increase in performance left needed which they could create easily.
- focus on features such as av1 ( next gen streaming nvenc ), AI, RT performance and a new form of DLSS maybe that is only possible on that gen card + RTX I/O
- Heavy invest into every game developers that matter, they already do this tho.
- hoping that RDNA3 and AMD do not have a DLSS alternative.
- MCM bootleg design, aka 2 gpu's on 1 card.

RDNA4 can be countered with hopper, as nothing about those cards is known.

I think something along the line of this would be the reality.

This is also why i think my 3080 is a dud of a card specially if amd and nviida drop a ton of v-ram on those cards. the 3080 will practically be a 2060 at that point. I will be selling my 3080 off while the prices are still high for sure once the announcement of the cards happen.Even if that means i will be sitting for a few months if not half a year on a 1650 super, to not have 2080ti price drops happening again ( hope mining prices stay high tho )

however the good thing is high resolution high hz gaming will finally be a thing and 8k will finally be achievable.
I thought Lovelace was supposed to be the multi chip design? Have any articles on this? What's Hoppers design?

Also on VRAM, wouldn't DLSS make it irrelevant?
 

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I thought Lovelace was supposed to be the multi chip design? Have any articles on this? What's Hoppers design?

Also on VRAM, wouldn't DLSS make it irrelevant?

Hopper is nvidia's mcm design for sure through leaks however lovelace is most likely not.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce...-cards-ada-lovelace-gpu-tsmc-5nm-2022-launch/

Yes DLSS reduces v-ram consumption, however DLSS is not supported by a lot of games still for the simple reason competition, this could be even more a problem when intel enters the market next year. So having something on the front of NIS would be interesting to chase.

Then on top of it, we don't know if rtx i/o will add extra v-ram consumption and we don't know what next gen game are going to park there v-ram consumption on.

This generation was 3gb lower end, 4gb mid end, 6gb higher end, 8gb top end.
Next generation could very well be 8gb low end, 10/12gb mid end, 16gb high end, and 16+gb top end.

It all depends on the market and how it moves forwards. 10gb isn't a amount any gpu shares so its practically a 8gb card. It's just supported right now well because of nvidia having it as there high end card, the moment there next card comes out the 3000 series has to work with what it got as nvidia will ditch it over night. On top of it they will get developers to push there next card + v-ram for the simple reason it will make pc gamers upgrade as they can't max stuff out anymore. Nvidia is known for this and amd is easy to follow because they never gimped there v-ram to start with.

How things will go however is pure speculation, but nvidia screwed its own buyers over many times before with shit like this. Sadly the 3080ti which was better in mine view, is simple a crap from nvidia itself and the price over a 3080 was simple not worth it ( 500-600 ) for performance gains.

Then with the 3080 being super overpriced at this point, and performance gains could be massive with the next generation of gpu's, it could very well be also that the 3080 will tank in price ( if mining also slows down ) real quick what we saw after the 3000 announcements, where 2080ti 1200 was suddently only 500 worth.

I will be selling my 3080 off tho the moment i see the performance and price of those cards and release date that's for sure.

I hope for 2x performance target over a 3080 + better streaming tech + 16+gb of memory.
 

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Here it is .. took me three days to finish this build ( first time ) . Setting it with LG C1 as a monitor and oh my god this is just amazing, trying FH5 and we will see how it goes

Still I'm going to make a better setup but at the moment I want to enjoy the ride
Congratulations on the first build. The first build is always a special one. What's under the hood?
 
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Hopper is nvidia's mcm design for sure through leaks however lovelace is most likely not.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce...-cards-ada-lovelace-gpu-tsmc-5nm-2022-launch/

Yes DLSS reduces v-ram consumption, however DLSS is not supported by a lot of games still for the simple reason competition, this could be even more a problem when intel enters the market next year. So having something on the front of NIS would be interesting to chase.

Then on top of it, we don't know if rtx i/o will add extra v-ram consumption and we don't know what next gen game are going to park there v-ram consumption on.

This generation was 3gb lower end, 4gb mid end, 6gb higher end, 8gb top end.
Next generation could very well be 8gb low end, 10/12gb mid end, 16gb high end, and 16+gb top end.

It all depends on the market and how it moves forwards. 10gb isn't a amount any gpu shares so its practically a 8gb card. It's just supported right now well because of nvidia having it as there high end card, the moment there next card comes out the 3000 series has to work with what it got as nvidia will ditch it over night. On top of it they will get developers to push there next card + v-ram for the simple reason it will make pc gamers upgrade as they can't max stuff out anymore. Nvidia is known for this and amd is easy to follow because they never gimped there v-ram to start with.

How things will go however is pure speculation, but nvidia screwed its own buyers over many times before with shit like this. Sadly the 3080ti which was better in mine view, is simple a crap from nvidia itself and the price over a 3080 was simple not worth it ( 500-600 ) for performance gains.

Then with the 3080 being super overpriced at this point, and performance gains could be massive with the next generation of gpu's, it could very well be also that the 3080 will tank in price ( if mining also slows down ) real quick what we saw after the 3000 announcements, where 2080ti 1200 was suddently only 500 worth.

I will be selling my 3080 off tho the moment i see the performance and price of those cards and release date that's for sure.

I hope for 2x performance target over a 3080 + better streaming tech + 16+gb of memory.
Why would nvidia work on dlss so much if they were going to abandon all of their cards minus the 3090 though? Factor in that games are largely limited by consoles and I just don't see it, but you could be right.

I agree that the ti was bad. I expect the 40 series to be as bad or worse.

Thanks for the info. I haven't paid much attention to it at all but I've heard Lovelace and multi-gpu thrown around. Figured the new ones were going to be like that.
 

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Congratulations on the first build. The first build is always a special one. What's under the hood?
RTX 3080 Ti and Ryzen 9 5900X

CPU
>> Ryzen 9 5900X <<
MOBO
>> Asus ROG Crosshair VIII X570s <<
RAM
>> 32GB DDR4 3600 <<
CPU Cooling
>> Kraken X73 360mm <<
GPU
>> MSI RTX 3080 Ti 12GB GDDR6 X TRIO <<
Case
>> LIAN Lancool Mesh II <<
Storage
>> Sam 980 NVMe SSD 1T Gen 4<<
PSU
>> CORSAIR RMx White Series RM850x <<
 

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RTX 3080 Ti and Ryzen 9 5900X

CPU
>> Ryzen 9 5900X <<
MOBO
>> Asus ROG Crosshair VIII X570s <<
RAM
>> 32GB DDR4 3600 <<
CPU Cooling
>> Kraken X73 360mm <<
GPU
>> MSI RTX 3080 Ti 12GB GDDR6 X TRIO <<
Case
>> LIAN Lancool Mesh II <<
Storage
>> Sam 980 NVMe SSD 1T Gen 4<<
PSU
>> CORSAIR RMx White Series RM850x <<
Oh, you just outchea draggin' ya nuts with the top tier hardware. We love to see it.

*firm handshake*
 
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Ok .. yesterday I tried RDR2 for the first time on PC and it was just beautiful BUT I'm not an expert when it comes to playing with settings so let me tell you what I did. First I used the Nvidia Experience to utilize the best setting for my hardware and applying it on RDR2 , almost everything was on ultra beside DLSS activated on Quality but I changed the Far Shadow Quality from High to Medium, Running on 3840 x 2160 with refresh rate up to 120hz ..

the actual gameplay I noticed the max is 70 FPS and the min is 56 FPS .

my question is .. is there any useless settings I can downgrade to achieve more FPS ? yes I know its running great but I heard that some settings can take more load without any real use ..

care to help a friend ? I mean I see alot of settings but most of them I don't know if its needed to be on ultra?!
 
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my question is .. is there any useless settings I can downgrade to achieve more FPS ? yes I know its running great but I heard that some settings can take more load without any real use ..



These 2 videos from Hardware Unboxed have a great breakdown of every individual PC related setting and performance hit implications of each one. Have fun tinkering with it lol
 
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So. Would you guys say its possible to have a PC (quite capable) be as silent when idling / watching YouTube as an M1 Mac mini? I want to game on my set up but really don't want to loose my silent (it makes no noise at all) set up.
 

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Here it is .. took me three days to finish this build ( first time ) . Setting it with LG C1 as a monitor and oh my god this is just amazing, trying FH5 and we will see how it goes

Still I'm going to make a better setup but at the moment I want to enjoy the ride
Nice setup. I"m hoping to go with the 42 inch oled when they release next year. Care to share where you got that wallpaper from?
 
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Upgrading my rig, new mobo and processor. Now the RAM. Does anyone know where one might procure 32gb (at least) DDR5. Any is fine don't care the brand at this point. Thanks in advance
 

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So guys, apart from the Odyssey G7, is there a 32 inch VA monitor I can buy that wont have bad black smearing?
 

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I'm sorry to keep harping on this, but I feel like you guys are my best chance for success.

I'm totally down for a software solution, if anybody knows of any. Google is not even remotely useful in this department.
Ideally, I'd use built-in Windows features, but it just can't stop itself from fucking up.

I just want to host files on one computer, and then stream/access them from another computer on the same network. The ability to read/write is secondary, though also nice.

When I reformat all of my computers, and have everything fresh, I can set up the file-sharing feature of Windows and every works beautifully.
As soon as one computer updates, though, it just goes to shit.
It's driving me crazy.


In the perfect scenario, I can hold all of my music on my living room computer, but then stream it (without transferring the file to my computer) on my upstairs computer.
I can even rename song files, if I want to. I can move stuff between folders, and even transfer files from one computer to the next. It's absolutely beautiful.
I can do the same stuff with movies, or books, or any file at all. It's like pure paradise.

But as soon as Windows updates, the whole damned thing falls apart.




I know this isn't exactly the right thread to ask in, so I'm asking a few questions:
1) Does anybody know of a better thread?
2) Can somebody please help me?
3) This is more of a plea than a question: I will take any solution at all. I don't care if it's software, or hardware, or buggy, or perfect. Literally anything at all that works will be better than Windows' solution.
 

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I'm sorry to keep harping on this, but I feel like you guys are my best chance for success.

I'm totally down for a software solution, if anybody knows of any. Google is not even remotely useful in this department.
Ideally, I'd use built-in Windows features, but it just can't stop itself from fucking up.

I just want to host files on one computer, and then stream/access them from another computer on the same network. The ability to read/write is secondary, though also nice.

When I reformat all of my computers, and have everything fresh, I can set up the file-sharing feature of Windows and every works beautifully.
As soon as one computer updates, though, it just goes to shit.
It's driving me crazy.


In the perfect scenario, I can hold all of my music on my living room computer, but then stream it (without transferring the file to my computer) on my upstairs computer.
I can even rename song files, if I want to. I can move stuff between folders, and even transfer files from one computer to the next. It's absolutely beautiful.
I can do the same stuff with movies, or books, or any file at all. It's like pure paradise.

But as soon as Windows updates, the whole damned thing falls apart.




I know this isn't exactly the right thread to ask in, so I'm asking a few questions:
1) Does anybody know of a better thread?
2) Can somebody please help me?
3) This is more of a plea than a question: I will take any solution at all. I don't care if it's software, or hardware, or buggy, or perfect. Literally anything at all that works will be better than Windows' solution.
This is not something I have experience with, but it sounds like you would be better served using a NAS or setup some type of file sharing software. Or just a hard drive connected to your router. The last time I looked at a router(probably near 10 years ago) they had USB port that you can plug in a hard drive. There are forums dedicated to stuff like this.
 

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This is not something I have experience with, but it sounds like you would be better served using a NAS or setup some type of file sharing software. Or just a hard drive connected to your router. The last time I looked at a router(probably near 10 years ago) they had USB port that you can plug in a hard drive. There are forums dedicated to stuff like this.

I've already tried all of that. :messenger_pensive:

A NAS doesn't let you do what I want to do, as far as I know (PLEASE correct me, if I'm wrong! I'm absolutely happy to buy a proper NAS, if such a thing exists!).
My router, even though it's one of the best on the market, doesn't have a USB port which allows for file-sharing.


The thing that kills me is that Microsoft already lets me do exactly what I want.
The problem is when the computer updates. As soon as the computers aren't on the EXACT same copy of Windows, the whole thing falls apart.

I just want a way to get around that one, specific, barrier.
 

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I've already tried all of that. :messenger_pensive:

A NAS doesn't let you do what I want to do, as far as I know (PLEASE correct me, if I'm wrong! I'm absolutely happy to buy a proper NAS, if such a thing exists!).
My router, even though it's one of the best on the market, doesn't have a USB port which allows for file-sharing.


The thing that kills me is that Microsoft already lets me do exactly what I want.
The problem is when the computer updates. As soon as the computers aren't on the EXACT same copy of Windows, the whole thing falls apart.

I just want a way to get around that one, specific, barrier.
That is exactly what a NAS is for. QNAP makes ones where they even have HDMI ports and you jusy connect to a display for video files. They aren't cheap though. I built myself one using old pc parts and a unix based OS called vortexbox. I dont know if that exists still, but there are NAS OS out there where you can build your own.
 

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That is exactly what a NAS is for. QNAP makes ones where they even have HDMI ports and you jusy connect to a display for video files. They aren't cheap though. I built myself one using old pc parts and a unix based OS called vortexbox. I dont know if that exists still, but there are NAS OS out there where you can build your own.

Doesn't a NAS make the computer no longer functional, in terms of desktop computing?
I would no longer be able to use a browser on it, and I would no longer be able to play games on it?

Or does the NAS run in a virtual OS, or something?
Your description makes it sound like it's one or the other: A NAS, or a desktop computer.


Thank you for the help, by the way.

If a NAS is indeed one or the other, I'll keep trying to find solutions.



My workplace has hundreds of computers all on the same network, with the ability to transfer and stream files between any of them, even multiple users at the same time.
So I know it can be done; I just have no idea how they do it.
It might be time to ask the IT folks for some help.
 

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So nice .. I'm tempted

 

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Doesn't a NAS make the computer no longer functional, in terms of desktop computing?
I would no longer be able to use a browser on it, and I would no longer be able to play games on it?

Or does the NAS run in a virtual OS, or something?
Your description makes it sound like it's one or the other: A NAS, or a desktop computer.


Thank you for the help, by the way.

If a NAS is indeed one or the other, I'll keep trying to find solutions.



My workplace has hundreds of computers all on the same network, with the ability to transfer and stream files between any of them, even multiple users at the same time.
So I know it can be done; I just have no idea how they do it.
It might be time to ask the IT folks for some help.

Ask your IT guys for help. I'm sure they would give you good advice. The difference with your home stuff and work is going to be thousands of dollars of software and hardware designed for those functions.

I don't know what info you have on NAS but it sounds like you have some learning to do.

NAS = network attached storage

The thing I built was just a basic computer from spare parts with several hard drives in raid with a specific NAS OS. Three 1TB mechanical drives, that's how old that is - pretty useless now. In that case, yes it's just a NAS device only. If you buy a NAS device like one of the QNAP or Synology boxes. Those 2 brands make good quality, easy to use devices. They are basically mini computers. Small boxes designed to simply hold several hard drives. You connect it to the network and it will act as an external drive for all computers. You access it like your network drives at work.
 
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You connect it to the network and it will act as an external drive for all computers. You access it like your network drives at work.

Yeah, that's my understanding of them, as well.
That also answers the question of whether they can be used as desktop computers.

It's not quite what I'm trying to do, but it might work. Ideally, I could just move files directly between computers. If I have to use a NAS a bridge between the two, that's not the end of the world.