arglebargle
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for anyone reading through the thread, this is no longer true. the quest for glory series is now available on gog.
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Point-and-Click Adventure-GAF of LucasArts, Sierra, and hair-pulling puzzles
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for anyone reading through the thread, this is no longer true. the quest for glory series is now available on gog.
The Dream Machine was recently updated with high-resolution assets. The native resolution went from 900x600 to 1800x1200. Looks good!
Family Fry
Member
forgeforsaken
Member
It's been some time but I thought Out of Order was a pretty decent little independant game that was released for free quite some time back
http://outoforder.adventuredevelopers.com/
http://outoforder.adventuredevelopers.com/
JumpingTheGun
Banned
Subscribed. I'm doing a LucasArts binge this summer of all the old school adventures of the 90s. What a rush. I finished Full Throttle already and am currently running through The Dig. I'm ordering DOTT and Sam and Max tomorrow.
So good.
So good.
So I tend to find very few of these games other than Day Of The Tentacle stand up from a design point of view. That game was an intricate and logical machine to solve (sole "game designer logic" moment was the washing the car thing). Are there any other titles with core design that brilliant and not-obtuse logic wise?
JumpingTheGun
Banned
I'd say play the Monkey Island titles, but only 1 through 3, as well as Sam & Max Hit The Road. You might also like Grim Fandango or Full Throttle (although the latter can be finished in only a few hours, but it's a legendary few hours)
Sorry, I should specify I've done all the Lucasarts. And the Broken Swords (first one had fairly good puzzle design, the more action-y sequences aside)
And I very much do not consider Sam & Max well-designed like Day of the Tentacle. So many instances of "adventure designer logic" puzzles. Grim Fandango, too. That early puzzle involving the balloon and cement (I think it was cement?) was atrocious. I still love them for the characters and jokes, but design-wise they're asinine at times.
And I very much do not consider Sam & Max well-designed like Day of the Tentacle. So many instances of "adventure designer logic" puzzles. Grim Fandango, too. That early puzzle involving the balloon and cement (I think it was cement?) was atrocious. I still love them for the characters and jokes, but design-wise they're asinine at times.
Family Fry
Member
Don't forget the fantastic book, handily on Kindle store.
772 pages covering over 300 games, including interviews with some of the developers.
Hardcoregaming101.net Presents: The Guide to Classic Graphic Adventures
Absolute MUST read if your into your point n clicks, seriously in-depth.
ALSO hope people don't mind me pimping my thread in here too, 2012 point n clicks. Feel free to contribute if anything has been missed, just doing it as I go at the moment.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468118
772 pages covering over 300 games, including interviews with some of the developers.
Hardcoregaming101.net Presents: The Guide to Classic Graphic Adventures
Absolute MUST read if your into your point n clicks, seriously in-depth.
ALSO hope people don't mind me pimping my thread in here too, 2012 point n clicks. Feel free to contribute if anything has been missed, just doing it as I go at the moment.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468118
arglebargle
Member
hey, its you. i posted like ten times in your full throttle thread. besides the dig, the only other lucasarts games i know of that are available on digital distribution services are indiana jones and the fate of atlantis, indiana jones and the last crusade, and loom. fate of atlantis is definitely worth playing. i havent played the last crusade or loom, but i have heard loom is worth it.
for the grim fandango puzzle, do you mean
the one where you have to fill the balloon with something and use it as an explosive? i dont think its cement
if you liked broken sword, try beneath a steel sky, as it had the same developer. if you dont like unfair puzzles avoid gabriel knight. i just played through the first one and there are a few puzzles in there that i still dont know how i was supposed to figure out.
Dog Problems
Banned
Yeah, that's a great book.
Well, you've just met someone
I've played it and actually finished it... with a walkthrough, because, as you said, many puzzles were really obscure. For example I remember there was a puzzle where you had to use a kite to fly up the prison tower. To do so, you first had to listen to the forecast and wait for the moment when the forecaster announced a strong wind. The problem? You had to listen to the forecast while you were standing in the location you were supposed to use the kite. The walkthtrough I was using (and this was before I had access to the Internet, YT and GameFAQs) didn't mention that. I left the game for few months thinking, there's a glitch or something :/
And yeah, the game was a little bizzare. The world and the overall art design was really interesting, but the idea that you were playing as an artificially grown-up toddler was really, really disturbing.
Wow, this look really interesting. Will definitively buy.
basic_text
Member
spindoctor
Member
Has anyone played the new Chains of Satinav game on Steam? Is it any good? I'm kind of interested in it but I'd rather not spend 30$ on it if it's a dud.
I'd say all those games have the kind of shitty, "game designer-y" puzzles he wants to avoid. To be fair I haven't played an adventure game that doesn't have any of them (haven't played DotT).
TheNamelessOne
Member
Check out the Giant Bomb Quicklook: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxE6Jy6YjZQ&feature=g-u-u
Doesn't seem very good in my eyes.
spindoctor
Member
I'll do that, thanks for the link.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
That's a hell of a deal. I still have the orginal collectors CD (the originals were lost in a move somewhere), but I'm going to buy this just to support the decision. It may be a long road, but we'll reclaim this land.
discoalucard
i am a butthurt babby that can only drool in wonder at shiney objects
It's a little awkward to control, since it's just emulating mouse controls, but it mostly functions. I can't get Resonance working at the moment since it's the Steam version and it tosses up an error. Metal Dead runs way too slow because I think the resolution is too high for it to handle. Gemini Rue seems to work okay. The game I'm working on at the moment is also functional but the fonts are a little glitchy.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Try Resonance on GOG. Only one puzzle I really consider silly in the whole game. But P&C's with the logic calibre you're looking for only ever really came from the heyday of lucasfilm/arts & Revolution.
Curious, what was your favourite lucasarts game? Day of the tentacle? Fate of Atlantis?
I am about halfway in the game and here is my impressions:
The game to me is a like a porcelain doll, extremely beautiful on the outside but hallow and lifeless on the inside. Don't get me wrong, it is an excellent point and click, it just doesn't seem like it has any life in those wonderful screens you click through. It is like you are playing a painting rather than a living breathing world.
A lot of the issues for me was the fact that the VO is very flat and lacks a lot of emotion (which in an adventure game can make or break it) and thus makes it extremely difficult to be invested in the characters.
I would recommond this game for the graphics alone but I would wait for a steam sale, or the very least try the demo and see how you like it.
basic_text
Member
Ace, cheers for the feedback.
I might try downloading & installing the installer supplied by Wadjet Eye in the confirmation email and see if that version works as opposed to the Steam one.
spindoctor
Member
Thanks for the impressions on Satinav. I guess the poor VA is a localization issue. The original game was in German right?
But yea, I watched the quick look for the game. And while I felt the guys presenting it were a little too harsh on it, it really did seem that there wasn't a lot of depth to the game. And the gameplay consisted entirely of the 'combine 2 absurd objects to make a 3rd object to solve the puzzle' gameplay and I consider that kind of antiquated in adventure games nowadays. I mean, every game still does have it, but there are a lot more complex and interesting types of puzzles as well. The game sure does look beautiful though.
The Whispered World took years to go on a decent sale, so I expect Daedelic won't discount this one much any time soon either
But yea, I watched the quick look for the game. And while I felt the guys presenting it were a little too harsh on it, it really did seem that there wasn't a lot of depth to the game. And the gameplay consisted entirely of the 'combine 2 absurd objects to make a 3rd object to solve the puzzle' gameplay and I consider that kind of antiquated in adventure games nowadays. I mean, every game still does have it, but there are a lot more complex and interesting types of puzzles as well. The game sure does look beautiful though.
The Whispered World took years to go on a decent sale, so I expect Daedelic won't discount this one much any time soon either
Sir_Crocodile
Member
basic_text
Member
Nicely done.
Ugh. Daedalic and their rubbish localisations strike again (can anyone comment on Deponia's localisation?). Have you come across any lines still left in German yet?
JumpingTheGun
Banned
Whats up buddy I remember you. I'm gonna have to check out Loom. I've always heard the name and the LucasArts affiliation, but I never knew it was one of their p & c's. I'll have to get Fate of Atlantis this weekend through Steam. The only thing I remember about that game is the voice actor for Jones sounding really really close to Harrison Ford.
I'm currently running through The Dig. Sound production is still great and I love the writing, but man is it a slow burn. Also some of the puzzles are downright impossible to figure out without a guide. There's no rhyme or reason to a handful of them it seems.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Fate of Atlantis is the greatest P&C game ever for my money.
basic_text
Member
Yeah, the 3 way arc makes it quite interesting and gives you more bang for buck.
I like the fact that you visit mostly the same places but rarely have to solve the same puzzle twice.
I like the fact that you visit mostly the same places but rarely have to solve the same puzzle twice.
Just a heads up: before you start the game, read the prologue synopsis on Wikipedia. When the game was originally released it came with a 30 minute audio drama that established the world, characters and the main story plot. The Steam version doesn't have it (would it really be that difficult to give us a mp3 file?). When I first played the game the story made almost no sense to me; characters and story elements were popping out of nowhere; the main villain appeared suddenly in the final act; the world was never fully defined; it was never really explained why the character you're controlling is called "loom child" etc. Only after reading the prologue synopsis (and unfortunately I did that only after I had finished the game) I finally understood what the hell was going on.
Dog Problems
Banned
Since you're going through the LucasArts adventure games I recommend playing Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders. It was the only one I hadn't played for a very long time and actually went through it earlier this year. It holds up pretty well, though I'd rank it towards the bottom of of their catalog. Worth checking out for the humor alone.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
It's definitely up there.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
How can it be when Grim Fandango is the best Point and Click game ever?
Grim Fandango isn't even a point & click game >_>
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
What foul stink is this now!?
Well, you don't "click" in the game. You press keyboard/gamepad buttons.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Don't really "point" either.
ohhthegore
Member
does anyone know if theres any digital stores that sell Harvester??
Last Baron
Member
I finally managed to finish the Resonance demo after I found out that you didn't need to hotwire the door to the main hall. Death to that puzzle, I tried so many combinations of pins and still couldn't get it. I probably should have noted the smudges on the keypad before removing it, but still. Ugh.
JumpingTheGun
Banned
Yeah I'll look for it. Suprisingly I never played that either. Thing is, I always remember seeing it in that LucasArts six pack. I probably would've bought it if I ever found it as a standalone game, but I never did.
Wow! I didn't even know they made a LucasArts Vol 3 six pack! Both Monkey Islands on one disc, Full Throttle, AfterLife, Dark Forces AND The Dig. What a collection.
http://www.amazon.com/The-LucasArts-Archives-Volume-III-Pc/dp/B00000K50V/ref=pd_sim_sbs_vg_2
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Because my money is my money and your money is your money.
stay away from my money
also my bins
protonion
Member
Satinav is 39,99 euro on Steam! I'm a huge fan of Daedalic but come on.
Still I'll play it. Puzzle wise I consider their adventures to be some of the only worth playing nowdays. They have tons of content and you can tell they try hard to feel fresh.
Deponia was also released today. I'll grab the boxed version soon.
Still I'll play it. Puzzle wise I consider their adventures to be some of the only worth playing nowdays. They have tons of content and you can tell they try hard to feel fresh.
Deponia was also released today. I'll grab the boxed version soon.
spindoctor
Member
Does anyone know what Deponia will cost on release?
Family Fry
Member
Always pimp my own thread when I see interest. List some of the newer released and upncomibg PnC games.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=468118
As for Deponia, I'm sure a price will pop up today. Wouldn't surprise me if it was full price, UK £24-£29.99.
Family Fry
Member
You got the steam version?
Krappadizzle
Member
Great job on thread OP. Fantastic. I just started playing Grim Fandango with my wife last week and we have been having a blast. Bookmarked to check out the other games for sure.