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[Subpar Spatula]

And the other threads?


It’s not your fault, it’s the sites.

Not much else discussion going on. Plus, the forum is full of questionable to vile things. Makes sense the conversation would lean that way, plus, I don't play many video games anymore -- kind of boring.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Not much else discussion going on. Plus, the forum is full of questionable to vile things. Makes sense the conversation would lean that way, plus, I don't play many video games anymore -- kind of boring.

You just come to Gaf and troll

You could start threads and be a productive member. You choose to be shitty. If nothing is going on here, maybe try to help that instead of contributing to the problem you see. You are as vile as anyone else here. You contribute nothing here but vile.

You could change and be better.

 

[Arkhan]

2018 called the majority decided that anyone besides black people using the N word is racist.

You can believe this and discuss why, but throwing it at other members stops now. You don't get to attack other members because of your beliefs, especially when you say:

Intent doesn't matter.

Intent matters in everything we do, socially and legally just about everywhere in the world. From how I interpret your posts on NeoGAF, to the penalty you face for murdering another human being. If you are immovable in a discussion and unwilling to listen to others without labeling them, then leave the discussion. If you are just here to shit post, then freely admit it like your mum, and we can save some time for members that want an actual discussion and are addressing your posts.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

No one is actually calling someone racist for no reason. Racists just don't want to acknowledge their racism so it's easier to argue they're not racist because a discussion to them automatically means an unclear answer.

Like, it's a simple tactic but it works well: worked for climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, anti-GMI, anti-abortion, etc. Create a conversation and the world believes it's unclear. No point in arguing whether or not people are racists for weaseling around defending a white person saying the N word, you're just racist. Acknowledge and fix it and move on, or dig deep, argue, and eventually lose more than just your pride and ego 'cause let's face it, racism isn't a good look in public and y'all know that (which is why you argue online instead of public places IRL).

Most of the 'isms have specific definitions. These definitions are being warped though because crying wolf gets the outraged a lot of power. They don't wan't to lose that power, and luckily they have allies in the media who help to feed their power addiction. If you simply disagree with a "person of color" these days you might as well be a card carrying KKK member these days.

Offending someone or calling them a name isn't racism. It's mean, and being a shithead, but it isn't racist. Saying that breaking immigration laws is a bad thing isn't racism. Pointing out crime statistics isn't racist. Wearing other culture's clothing isn't racist. Wearing hoop earrings isn't racist. Having dreadlocks isn't racist. Not having black people in Dunkirk the movie isn't racist. I can go on and on pointing out things that are called racist these days that are not.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

You can believe this and discuss why, but throwing it at other members stops now. You don't get to attack other members because of your beliefs, especially when you say:



Intent matters in everything we do, socially and legally just about everywhere in the world. From how I interpret your posts on NeoGAF, to the penalty you face for murdering another human being. If you are immovable in a discussion and unwilling to listen to others without labeling them, then leave the discussion. If you are just here to shit post, then freely admit it like your mum, and we can save some time for members that want an actual discussion and are addressing your posts.

Calling out racism is now an attack?

If I was to hit a person with my car and they die, but I didn't mean to does that mean I didn't do anything wrong?

Also, a discussion? Do you think any of my responders actually listen to what I have to say? They seem entrenched too. Why not scold them as well?

 

[Arkhan]

Calling out racism is now an attack?

If I was to hit a person with my car and they die, but I didn't mean to does that mean I didn't do anything wrong?

Telling other members explicitly they are racist based on a difference of opinion is an attack, yes.

The intent is absolutely relevant in determining what level of wrong occurred, again, both socially and legally. That is a fact everywhere, and not a matter of debate. Intent matters in legal definitions of racism and hate speech, the very thing being discussed along with their punishment. You obviously know this, otherwise you would be expecting to see a vast array of musicians in prison for hate speech when they appear on stage. Regardless, either take part in topics civilly or do not. I won't be debating the details of what that entails as I'm sure you can work it out.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Telling other members explicitly they are racist based on a difference of opinion is an attack, yes.

The intent is absolutely relevant in determining what level of wrong occurred, again, both socially and legally. That is a fact everywhere, and not a matter of debate. Intent matters in legal definitions of racism and hate speech, the very thing being discussed along with their punishment. You obviously know this, otherwise you would be expecting to see a vast array of musicians in prison for hate speech when they appear on stage. Regardless, either take part in topics civilly or do not. I won't be debating the details of what that entails as I'm sure you can work it out.

If their opinion is racist then it's still an attack? Seems strange there's a gag policy on calling out bad behavior because it is perceived as an attack by the bad person.

Let's say I use "gay" for stupid. My intent isn't to be homophobic but I am making a homophobic remark. If I don't correct myself after being called out, I am not a homophobe?

Intent means to the deplorable that you can do bad thinga and walk away without reprecussions. Fyi, IcePoesidon's -- a racist streamer -- intent isn't to be racist but he does do racist things. Your logic doesn't work out in terms of the real world and clear examples showing you the opposite.

 

[Lionel Richie]

See, you say all this but it's quite clear you do value their opinion or else you wouldn't even bother with them.

Y'all can't say you don't fuck with it but then try to fuck with it all day. It doesn't compute on any level.

Sorry man, I'm not that insecure. I don't really value their opinion, I feel bad that such a big gaming community isn't about gaming and isn't even really about being a community in the first place. It's like watching an Animal Planet doc where you see an insect eating a smaller insect and you feel befuddled at what's happening. It's not that you particularly care about insects, but why should you avoid discussing them to prove so?

 

[HStallion]

People do realize that the vast majority of old users who left this forum for the other did so because they actually like that kind of moderation, that general, the more liberal leaning and so on right? A lot of posters didn't want to see topics about how only red heads can say ginger and aren't going to return with that kind of stuff popping up over and over again. On top of that many of those people who so many here seem to despise were often the most prolific and best content creators for the site.

 

[Arkhan]

If their opinion is racist then it's still an attack? Seems strange there's a gag policy on calling out bad behavior because it is perceived as an attack by the bad person.

Let's say I use "gay" for stupid. My intent isn't to be homophobic but I am making a homophobic remark. If I don't correct myself after being called out, I am not a homophobe?

Intent means to the deplorable that you can do bad thinga and walk away without reprecussions. Fyi, IcePoesidon's -- a racist streamer -- intent isn't to be racist but he does do racist things. Your logic doesn't work out in terms of the real world and clear examples showing you the opposite.

I think I've been fairly clear with you, and I'm not interested in being drawn into a debate regarding obvious factors in life, just so that you can justify a frankly unintelligent comment. I do not much care for your opinions of different people, but I do care how you engage with other members on this forum. Conduct yourself accordingly please.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

People do realize that the vast majority of old users who left this forum for the other did so because they actually like that kind of moderation, that general, the more liberal leaning and so on right?

There is some serious doublethink going on when someone wants heavy handed moderation but self-identifies as a liberal.

 

[Dr. Claus]

People do realize that the vast majority of old users who left this forum for the other did so because they actually like that kind of moderation, that general, the more liberal leaning and so on right? A lot of posters didn't want to see topics about how only red heads can say ginger and aren't going to return with that kind of stuff popping up over and over again. On top of that many of those people who so many here seem to despise were often the most prolific and best content creators for the site.

Depends on who you talk to. From my experience and communication with, the majority of members that were formerly here and moved over to ResetEra did so because that is where the communities moved to, not because they enjoyed the moderation (it was usually in spite of the moderation). Those people only ever speak in those handful of communities and occasionally in the gaming side (with the few threads devoid of political ideological pushing).

Also that is highly debatable that the "despised" were the "most prolific and best content creators for the site". There is also a major difference between "general liberal leaning" and "authoritarian left", the latter of which is what ResetEra is.

 

[HStallion]

There is some serious doublethink going on when someone wants heavy handed moderation but self-identifies as a liberal.

As I said in the part of the quote you didn't bother posting a lot of people don't really want to have to see topics about comparing red heads saying ginger with black people being able to say the N word, even jokingly.

 

[HStallion]

Depends on who you talk to. From my experience and communication with, the majority of members that were formerly here and moved over to ResetEra did so because that is where the communities moved to, not because they enjoyed the moderation (it was usually in spite of the moderation). Those people only ever speak in those handful of communities and occasionally in the gaming side (with the few threads devoid of political ideological pushing).

Also that is highly debatable that the "despised" were the "most prolific and best content creators for the site".

I'm in a ton of community threads as well, even some obscure ones and if anything many of them are asking for the moderators to be even harder on a lot of the shit posting, the drive by posts, the veiled racist/sexist/hateful BS and so on. Maybe they weren't all despised but many of the most prolific OT creators, thread starters and others are long gone from here and I think that's rather obvious.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

As I said in the part of the quote you didn't bother posting a lot of people don't really want to have to see topics about comparing red heads saying ginger with black people being able to say the N word, even jokingly.

I don't really care to see a "Pegging 101: Your Guide to Girl-dick On Man-butt Interactions" thread either, but I am not going to be so offended as to call for it's removal or closure or stop coming to the site over it.

 

[HStallion]

I don't really care to see a "Pegging 101: Your Guide to Girl-dick On Man-butt Interactions" thread either, but I am not going to be so offended as to call for it's removal or closure or stop coming to the site over it.

And amazingly enough a lot of the black community is tired of having the same stupid conversation about the N word especially having it played off as a joke. Same for other minority groups like the trans community who don't want to constantly have to defend or explain who they are or to become the butt of jokes. I'm not even sure why being liberal equates to infinite free speech or lack of hard moderation.

 

[NickFire]

As I said in the part of the quote you didn't bother posting a lot of people don't really want to have to see topics about comparing red heads saying ginger with black people being able to say the N word, even jokingly.

Bullshit. A small vocal minority doesn't want to see them sure. But if these threads were allowed in 2014 -2017 without instant bans they would have been as active as any others, quite possibly far more so. You know it, I know it, we all know it. And why do you think so many people were banned previously? When I lurked they were almost always for violating the sensibilities of the vocal minority, ie: posting things in line with what is now actually discussed.

Seriously though, after the 2016 election, how can you possibly say those banned people and others would not have engaged and discussed today's sensitive topics if their accounts wouldn't be instant banned. You really doubt the existence of a massive amount of people who are sick and tired of the "silence everyone I disagree with culture?"

 

[HStallion]

Bullshit. A small vocal minority doesn't want to see them sure. But if these threads were allowed in 2014 -2017 without instant bans they would have been as active as any others, quite possibly far more so. You know it, I know it, we all know it. And why do you think so many people were banned previously? When I lurked they were almost always for violating the sensibilities of the vocal minority, ie: posting things in line with what is now actually discussed.

Seriously though, after the 2016 election, how can you possibly say those banned people and others would not have engaged and discussed today's sensitive topics if their accounts wouldn't be instant banned. You really doubt the existence of a massive amount of people who are sick and tired of the "silence everyone I disagree with culture?"

Maybe the popularity and activity of such threads are one of the reasons they're not looked kindly on. As I said a lot of minority communities were tired of these kinds of topics and wanted nothing to do with them. They're exhausting and draining and often grow ugly for those directly involved.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I'm in a ton of community threads as well, even some obscure ones and if anything many of them are asking for the moderators to be even harder on a lot of the shit posting, the drive by posts, the veiled racist/sexist/hateful BS and so on. Maybe they weren't all despised but many of the most prolific OT creators, thread starters and others are long gone from here and I think that's rather obvious.

One can hardly blame the content creators/thread starters for leaving when the majority of the forum was unusable for such a long time. Between the loss of OT and the continued childish actions by certain members and moderators killing their accounts by posting porn/gore/actual racist/sexist rhetoric (funny how a group that was so full of "progressive" mindsets devolved into such actions), people couldn't really speak or have discussions without being drowned out. However, the assumption that those people are the "despised" or that the "despised" were the "best content producers" is a silly claim.

As for the people within communities asking for "harsher" moderation - even within the majority of communities, those people are small in number. Most tend to just want to talk about what the community is based on (Sports, specific game franchises/releases, etc). However, we also know from experience that there is a major authoritarian left push and forced political ideologies from those vocal small groups and the moderators. Those who are counter to that idea, tend to be banned (as can be seen via the bot and quick google searches) or simply keep quiet to avoid being banned. As an example, I can name a handful of those same authoritarian left people in the Easy Allies community thread and five times as many who just want to talk about Easy Allies content.

(Sorry if things are coming across as confusing, medication just kicked in)

As an aside, there are plenty of shitty/joke threads that existed on pre-split oldgaf and Era. People can ignore them and move on instead of crying/whining about how they are making them feel "uncomfortable".

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Maybe the popularity and activity of such threads are one of the reasons they're not looked kindly on. As I said a lot of minority communities were tired of these kinds of topics and wanted nothing to do with them. They're exhausting and draining and often grow ugly for those directly involved.

Easy answer to that. If you don't like the thread, don't involve yourself in it.

 

[NickFire]

Maybe the popularity and activity of such threads are one of the reasons they're not looked kindly on. As I said a lot of minority communities were tired of these kinds of topics and wanted nothing to do with them. They're exhausting and draining and often grow ugly for those directly involved.

This century has turned this country soft. People are exhausted and drained because people disagree with them online? Said no working man ever.

 

[HStallion]

Easy answer to that. If you don't like the thread, don't involve yourself in it.

This thinking and attitude is exactly why those groups won't return.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

This thinking and attitude is exactly why those groups won't return.

Their way or the highway?

 

[Cybrwzrd]

This thinking and attitude is exactly why those groups won't return.

Well, seeing what sort of contribution those groups are making to ResetERA, nothing of value was lost.

 

[NickFire]

This thinking and attitude is exactly why those groups won't return.

Come on, that's just making shit up now. The vocal minority won't return because either they or their friends have admin / mod powers over there. They aren't going to leave a place where they feel like online gods because of the power they have to purge wrong think. As for the normal people, if they stay its due to activity and where their friends are.

 

[HStallion]

Their way or the highway?

Isn't that the same general thinking of what people want here?

 

[HStallion]

Come on, that's just making shit up now. The vocal minority won't return because either they or their friends have admin / mod powers over there. They aren't going to leave a place where they feel like online gods because of the power they have to purge wrong think. As for the normal people, if they stay its due to activity and where their friends are.

Yeah this is more or less the point i'm making outside the online gods and all that. The most vocal people drive the tone of the forum and most people are more than cool with that tone. The site would have long since stagnated if people truly didn't want to be apart of that.

 

[NickFire]

Isn't that the same general thinking of what people want here?

No. Not at all. Not even a little. What people want is to actually discuss video games, social issues, and current events. As in actually discuss and even argue, instead of finding new ways to agree with 6 or 7 people to participate without being banned. Regarding your last reply to me, I think people tolerate the tone more than they are cool with it. We'll know more in 6-12 months I suspect once this place develops a longer term reputation for being neutral politically in terms of moderation.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Isn't that the same general thinking of what people want here?

I don't think anyone here cares if someone has a contentious voice. I think we are all pretty accepting of opinions contrary to our own as long as they aren't coming from known trolls who are looking to stir up shit for lols. Disagreeing with someone isn't the same thing as not being willing to give them a platform.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Isn't that the same general thinking of what people want here?

Do you think that not allowing dissident opinions is the same as refusing to do so in order to theoretically please a certain crowd? Come on man.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Isn't that the same general thinking of what people want here?

I can only speak for myself. No. I never wanted it that way.

I think many have shown here in the last 6 months that they want or wanted to speak their mind... not stop others from doing the same.

 

[TrainedRage]

Sorry if you all mentioned it but what was CreamCream banned for? I must have been asleep.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Sorry if you all mentioned it but what was CreamCream banned for? I must have been asleep.

Well, I am pretty sure the rules state that you aren't allowed a second account after being permabanned for one....

 

[Corrik]

Also, I would love to know your thoughts on why men are allowed to say the words"bitch" "ho" "skank" or whatever else demeaning to women word they may say in their music. Or in retrospect, why men are allowed to say them when singing songs by women who say them about their own sex.

That does make you racist. Your lack of insight is why you prob are banned there. 2018 called the majority decided that anyone besides black people using the N word is racist.

Like, if you're banned there then you deserved it if this is how you act.

Not banned there, bud. Nice try.

I have eaten 3 bans (2 1 weeks and 1 1 month - notice no 3 dayers?)

1. For saying I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton and that I was a moderate on issues. Listing issues on both sides I support. I said I did not fully support the LGBT cause however. Ban 1. "Sexist and transphobia".

2. Defending cops in a topic where hundreds were just saying fuck the cops over and over and nothing else. I said stereotyping someone on their profession was the same as stereotyping someone on their race, sexual preference, etc. Stereotyping is stereotyping.
Ban 2. "Equating a job to racial stereotypes"

3. Saying a person who wouldn't hang out with their father in public because his father was wearing a "The Don" shirt was ridiculous. How I thought it was sad that someone could call their father a racist for wanting to wear that shirt and ostracize or talk bad about him when you live in that very father's house (he self admitted) seemed completely uncalled for. 19 people jumped on me to say Trump is racist. I said I had an open book on him but did not see a definitive case of him being racist and that labeling someone that term should not be jumped to. Ban 3 - 1 month- arguing disingenuously.

So, now, I just say my piece and leave the topics. I have learned how the ResetERA ban system works.

The ban system is crazy, but I like the video game side and the speed of the forum. So, I stay there and supplement it with NeoGAF and gamefaqs and even teamliquid from time to time. Ironically all places I never have bans from.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

I think I've been fairly clear with you, and I'm not interested in being drawn into a debate regarding obvious factors in life, just so that you can justify a frankly unintelligent comment. I do not much care for your opinions of different people, but I do care how you engage with other members on this forum. Conduct yourself accordingly please.

It is obvious, you just choose not to acknowledge it. When someone says, "Black people are just looking for ways to be offended" in a topic about a white person saying the N word on stage while singing to the lyrics, it's really offense, racist -- the person knows what they're doing. You should care about the opinions of others because they shape the landscape you are part of and that's NeoGAF. People say racist things? Well, people will call the place... that's a fact of life. Trying to hide it as a difference of opinion is frankly disturbing because it just shows just how much toxicity and racism in general is given leniency.

I don't think anyone here cares if someone has a contentious voice. I think we are all pretty accepting of opinions contrary to our own as long as they aren't coming from known trolls who are looking to stir up shit for lols. Disagreeing with someone isn't the same thing as not being willing to give them a platform.

You aren't accepting of difference of opinion. You guys clearly don't accept mine which is why I'm being -- what's that term? -- dogpiled (the one y'all seem to think happened all the time before NeoGAF got great). Like, even after I say that you'll say that's not true even though I get responded to by many people here about my stance (and it seems y'all have the exact opposite).

No. Not at all. Not even a little. What people want is to actually discuss video games, social issues, and current events. As in actually discuss and even argue, instead of finding new ways to agree with 6 or 7 people to participate without being banned. Regarding your last reply to me, I think people tolerate the tone more than they are cool with it. We'll know more in 6-12 months I suspect once this place develops a longer term reputation for being neutral politically in terms of moderation.

Video games don't exist in a vacuum. Your hobbies don't exist in a vacuum. It all intersects at different levels. People from all different walks of life partake in video games and your hobbies, their perspectives aren't invalidated because yours is the default. It's like when people say, "video games are getting too political" -- they've always been political on some level because culture helps dictate the politics and vice versa.


Like, y'all want these differences of opinions, arguments, debates, and "civil" discussions but you guys won't even admit you want to discuss things that have already been deemed offensive by the majority of people. It's really difficult to convince anyone you guys want an actual discussion, it's quite obvious that you just want the freedom to say whatever and guise it as a debate or whatever. Like, you guys are as entrenched as me and you call foul?

Also, I would love to know your thoughts on why men are allowed to say the words"bitch" "ho" "skank" or whatever else demeaning to women word they may say in their music. Or in retrospect, why men are allowed to say them when singing songs by women who say them about their own sex.
Not banned there, bud. Nice try.

I have eaten 3 bans (2 1 weeks and 1 1 month - notice no 3 dayers?)

1. For saying I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton and that I was a moderate on issues. Listing issues on both sides I support. I said I did not fully support the LGBT cause however. Ban 1. "Sexist and transphobia".

2. Defending cops in a topic where hundreds were just saying fuck the cops over and over and nothing else. I said stereotyping someone on their profession was the same as stereotyping someone on their race, sexual preference, etc. Stereotyping is stereotyping.
Ban 2. "Equating a job to racial stereotypes"

3. Saying a person who wouldn't hang out with their father in public because his father was wearing a "The Don" shirt was ridiculous. How I thought it was sad that someone could call their father a racist for wanting to wear that shirt and ostracize or talk bad about him when you live in that very father's house (he self admitted) seemed completely uncalled for. 19 people jumped on me to say Trump is racist. I said I had an open book on him but did not see a definitive case of him being racist and that labeling someone that term should not be jumped to. Ban 3 - 1 month- arguing disingenuously.

So, now, I just say my piece and leave the topics. I have learned how the ResetERA ban system works.

The ban system is crazy, but I like the video game side and the speed of the forum. So, I stay there and supplement it with NeoGAF and gamefaqs and even teamliquid from time to time. Ironically all places I never have bans from.

I don't believe men should be writing those lyrics and so do some women. Unfortunately, some artists don't care, and a lot of the base doesn't care. It's a slow change.

You went into a thread and said you didn't support LGBTQ? Like, you need some solid fucking reasoning to say that to people who take it seriously because LGBTQ rights are a BIG issue.

You equated a job to racial stereotyping. You can always take off the uniform. Like, it doesn't take much to see why you're wrong there.

You said you're not sure if Trump is racist. Like, you gotta be trolling at that point.

Your bans don't seem wrong.

Well, you just suppressed your beliefs. Plenty of people bite their tongues and stay low to hide from the ban. You're smart to not speak up on issues of racism, sexism, rights, etc because it seems your beliefs don't align with those who want to do better in the world.

 

[Dr. Claus]

It is obvious, you just choose not to acknowledge it. When someone says, "Black people are just looking for ways to be offended" in a topic about a white person saying the N word on stage while singing to the lyrics, it's really offense, racist -- the person knows what they're doing. You should care about the opinions of others because they shape the landscape you are part of and that's NeoGAF. People say racist things? Well, people will call the place... that's a fact of life. Trying to hide it as a difference of opinion is frankly disturbing because it just shows just how much toxicity and racism in general is given leniency.


You aren't accepting of difference of opinion. You guys clearly don't accept mine which is why I'm being -- what's that term? -- dogpiled (the one y'all seem to think happened all the time before NeoGAF got great). Like, even after I say that you'll say that's not true even though I get responded to by many people here about my stance (and it seems y'all have the exact opposite).



Video games don't exist in a vacuum. Your hobbies don't exist in a vacuum. It all intersects at different levels. People from all different walks of life partake in video games and your hobbies, their perspectives aren't invalidated because yours is the default. It's like when people say, "video games are getting too political" -- they've always been political on some level because culture helps dictate the politics and vice versa.


Like, y'all want these differences of opinions, arguments, debates, and "civil" discussions but you guys won't even admit you want to discuss things that have already been deemed offensive by the majority of people. It's really difficult to convince anyone you guys want an actual discussion, it's quite obvious that you just want the freedom to say whatever and guise it as a debate or whatever. Like, you guys are as entrenched as me and you call foul?

If you had made any sort of decent argument, then people would probably have accepted parts of your discussion - except you have yet to do that and instead rely on strawman arguments, petty insults, and making blanket statements such as the claim of"racism" because you dislike someone's opinion. It is either your way or the high way in your arguments. You are the one on the right side of history. You are the one who knows what is offensive by "the majority" of people (will need receipts on that claim).

No one is "dogpiling" you. People are trying to have a discussion that you wave off and make ignorant claims that someone is being a racist or that they are bigots. The one who needs to do better here is you, mate.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

You aren't accepting of difference of opinion. You guys clearly don't accept mine which is why I'm being -- what's that term? -- dogpiled (the one y'all seem to think happened all the time before NeoGAF got great). Like, even after I say that you'll say that's not true even though I get responded to by many people here about my stance (and it seems y'all have the exact opposite).

Dog-piling is when you get 30 driveby posts from instigators and their alts with a quote and calling it "gross", or "that's a bad look" or some other inane virtue signal to call attention to a post to make sure there is enough blood in the water to attract a mod's attention.

You are seeing a conversation here. Yes, I think you are wrong about many things. Thinking you are wrong isn't the same thing as not letting you have your platform to say it. Accepting your opinion isn't the same thing as agreeing with it. That's the beauty of it and why this website has done a 180. We can disagree and no one gets punished for it.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

It is obvious, you just choose not to acknowledge it. When someone says, "Black people are just looking for ways to be offended" in a topic about a white person saying the N word on stage while singing to the lyrics, it's really offense, racist -- the person knows what they're doing. You should care about the opinions of others because they shape the landscape you are part of and that's NeoGAF. People say racist things? Well, people will call the place... that's a fact of life. Trying to hide it as a difference of opinion is frankly disturbing because it just shows just how much toxicity and racism in general is given leniency.


You aren't accepting of difference of opinion. You guys clearly don't accept mine which is why I'm being -- what's that term? -- dogpiled (the one y'all seem to think happened all the time before NeoGAF got great). Like, even after I say that you'll say that's not true even though I get responded to by many people here about my stance (and it seems y'all have the exact opposite).



Video games don't exist in a vacuum. Your hobbies don't exist in a vacuum. It all intersects at different levels. People from all different walks of life partake in video games and your hobbies, their perspectives aren't invalidated because yours is the default. It's like when people say, "video games are getting too political" -- they've always been political on some level because culture helps dictate the politics and vice versa.

You are calling people racist when you disagree or don’t like a comment. It’s a label that (if true) means someone is a pretty rotten person. You are attacking members and the site as a whole. So people responded.

The site is giving you a platform to confront topics, but not attack members. You seem to only be here to say shitty comments about either the site and or it’s members.

Respect the community and be a respectful member. No one would have an issue if you did that.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Dog-piling is when you get 30 driveby posts from instigators and their alts with a quote and calling it "gross", or "that's a bad look" or some other inane virtue signal to call attention to a post to make sure there is enough blood in the water to attract a mod's attention.

You are seeing a conversation here. Yes, I think you are wrong about many things. Thinking you are wrong isn't the same thing as not letting you have your platform to say it. Accepting your opinion isn't the same thing as agreeing with it. That's the beauty of it and why this website has done a 180. We can disagree and no one gets punished for it.

Oh really? No dogpiling. I made 1 post and the next 3 immediately quote me to say I am wrong, that I don't discuss well, etc. Heck, none of my posts get any likes or agreement (ANY part of the posts) from you guys.

I am wrong about many things? You sound entrenched just like me. Are you really here for an actual discussion or someone to agree with you? See. I can use that same tactic as well.

You are calling people racist when you disagree or don’t like a comment. It’s a label that (if true) means someone is a pretty rotten person. You are attacking members and the site as a whole. So people responded.

The site is giving you a platform to confront topics, but not attack members. You seem to only be here to say shitty comments about either the site and or it’s members.

Respect the community and be a respectful member. No one would have an issue if you did that.

I call them racist because they said something racist. You're downplaying racist remarks as a disagreement or "don't like a comment". Like, no topic is being confronted. Zero. Y'all don't seem to care about these comments and that's very telling.

I point out shitty things. Is that wrong? I would hope the site would like that 'cause, well, racism is pretty wrong.

All the racist comments show is just how far the site has fallen. Like, when a site endures a comment like, "black tranny" it just shows where its priorities lie similar to when comments like, "black people are just looking for ways to be offended" with regards to a white person using the N word. It's hard not to look at this site and see it has been taken over by the communities that wanted to take down NeoGAF in the first place.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Oh really? No dogpiling. I made 1 post and the next 3 immediately quote me to say I am wrong, that I don't discuss well, etc. Heck, none of my posts get any likes or agreement (ANY part of the posts) from you guys.

I am wrong about many things? You sound entrenched just like me. Are you really here for an actual discussion or someone to agree with you? See. I can use that same tactic as well.

That is what happens when you make a post/claim, people will debate and challenge you on your claims. Three people does not a mob make. Maybe the reason why people aren't agreeing with your stance is that your stance is poor, your arguments hold no water, and your attitude is weak?

 

[zumphry]

That is what happens when you make a post/claim, people will debate and challenge you on your claims. Three people does not a mob make. Maybe the reason why people aren't agreeing with your stance is that your stance is poor, your arguments hold no water, and your attitude is weak?

there are only 150 people online lol

 

[Subpar Spatula]

That is what happens when you make a post/claim, people will debate and challenge you on your claims. Three people does not a mob make. Maybe the reason why people aren't agreeing with your stance is that your stance is poor, your arguments hold no water, and your attitude is weak?

It's because you guys don't lean in a way that wants to engage in civil conversation. You don't want to acknowledge that some of the shit you say or defend is actually bad. That's why this argument isn't going anywhere. I could say that poster who said, "black tranny" is bigoted because of the language, but nothing would happen and y'all wouldn't care. That's a problem, and that's why this doesn't go anywhere.

Like, being banned 3 times for very toxic stuff and then saying it's not justified? Like, what kind of argument do you even want? You just want to be told you're right, we're wrong, we're stupid, you guys are the greatest. It isn't going to happen. I can be banned here but you will still be wrong. Just think, if Voat, KiwiFarms, TheBore and what not talking points are being parroted here, do you really think you're on solid ground?

Like, those sites don't even target NeoGAF anymore because they already know they've won by installing their ideology here. It's like when Germany took over France, they stopped attacking France for the most part because they already won, so they target Britain instead; at some point, you gotta realize you're swimming with some pretty awful people and they're helping shape this forum's discourse.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Oh really? No dogpiling. I made 1 post and the next 3 immediately quote me to say I am wrong, that I don't discuss well, etc. Heck, none of my posts get any likes or agreement (ANY part of the posts) from you guys.

I am wrong about many things? You sound entrenched just like me. Are you really here for an actual discussion or someone to agree with you? See. I can use that same tactic as well.


I call them racist because they said something racist. You're downplaying racist remarks as a disagreement or "don't like a comment". Like, no topic is being confronted. Zero. Y'all don't seem to care about these comments and that's very telling.

I point out shitty things. Is that wrong? I would hope the site would like that 'cause, well, racism is pretty wrong.

All the racist comments show is just how far the site has fallen. Like, when a site endures a comment like, "black tranny" it just shows where its priorities lie similar to when comments like, "black people are just looking for ways to be offended" with regards to a white person using the N word. It's hard not to look at this site and see it has been taken over by the communities that wanted to take down NeoGAF in the first place.

You aren't confronting the issue or topic.

You are finding comments you don't like or disagree with and instead of debating or discussing, you attack the members or the site or the site itself.

So stop attacking the members and site. Or don't. That's up to you.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

You aren't confronting the issue or topic.

You are finding comments you don't like or disagree with and instead of debating or discussing, you attack the members or the site or the site itself.

So stop attacking the members and site. Or don't. That's up to you.

Calling someone what they are isn't an attack. It's only seen as an attack from those being confronted. Don't want people to call you a racist? Don't do or say racist things. Did or said something racist? Apologize and try to do better. They'll forgive ya. That's just reality for ya. Jonah Hill called a person a "fag". People were upset at him, called him bigoted. He agreed it was a bigoted word and that intent didn't matter because the weight of the word has meaning. He apologized. He hasn't done it again. No one thinks of him as a bigot. It's because Jonah Hill is a decent guy who doesn't let his pride get the best of him.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Calling someone what they are isn't an attack. It's only seen as an attack from those being confronted. Don't want people to call you a racist? Don't do or say racist things. Did or said something racist? Apologize and try to do better. They'll forgive ya. That's just reality for ya. Jonah Hill called a person a "fag". People were upset at him, called him bigoted. He agreed it was a bigoted word and that intent didn't matter because the weight of the word has meaning. He apologized. He hasn't done it again. No one thinks of him as a bigot. It's because Jonah Hill is a decent guy who doesn't let his pride get the best of him.

Right ok.

And attacking the site as a whole?

 

[Cybrwzrd]

It's because you guys don't lean in a way that wants to engage in civil conversation. You don't want to acknowledge that some of the shit you say or defend is actually bad. That's why this argument isn't going anywhere. I could say that poster who said, "black tranny" is bigoted because of the language, but nothing would happen and y'all wouldn't care. That's a problem, and that's why this doesn't go anywhere.

Like, being banned 3 times for very toxic stuff and then saying it's not justified? Like, what kind of argument do you even want? You just want to be told you're right, we're wrong, we're stupid, you guys are the greatest. It isn't going to happen. I can be banned here but you will still be wrong. Just think, if Voat, KiwiFarms, TheBore and what not talking points are being parroted here, do you really think you're on solid ground?

Civil conversation doesn't mean people can't say things that aren't offensive. It is fundamentally impossible to have a discussion without risking offending the person who you are debating. That's the difference between my beliefs and yours it sounds like. You think conversation should be curated to prevent any hurt feelings.

You are debating a strawman of what you think we are versus what we are saying at this point though.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Right ok.

And attacking the site as a whole?

Does "Right ok." mean you agree with me?

Attacking the site as a whole? It's pretty obvious how infested the place is with folks who just want to be offensive. It's not wrong to call that out. It's good for the site because you can't let it fester.

 

[Corrik]

You said you're not sure if Trump is racist. Like, you gotta be trolling at that point.

Like, being banned 3 times for very toxic stuff and then saying it's not justified?

And, here is the problem with ResetERA and some of its members.

"You do not agree with me so what you are saying is toxic"

It is much more toxic to label someone you know nothing about as a racist than to say you are keeping an open book someone could be racist but that you do not think there is enough evidence to support that currently.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Civil conversation doesn't mean people can't say things that aren't offensive. It is fundamentally impossible to have a discussion without risking offending the person who you are debating. That's the difference between my beliefs and yours it sounds like. You think conversation should be curated to prevent any hurt feelings.

You are debating a strawman of what you think we are versus what we are saying at this point though.

You can have a discussion without offending someone. If you offend someone, apologize, and the conversation goes on.

Also, "offended" is a blanket term. You have to be more specific. Let's say I was discussing racism with another person (who happens to be black), I constantly drop the N-word. Do you think that's just something that should be overlooked because we're having a "civil" conversation?

Saying, "people will always be offended" is just an easy way to saying, "I want to say anything without consequence."

And, here is the problem with ResetERA and some of its members.

"You do not agree with me so what you are saying is toxic"

It is much more toxic to label someone you know nothing about as a racist than to say you are keeping an open book someone could be racist but that you do not think there is enough evidence to support that currently.

"... agree with me"? No. You got this wrong. The community agreed it was bad. So did a lot of the world. Like, imagine going outside in America and having a legit conversation with someone about whether or not Trump is actually racist? You are either trolling, willfully ignorant (HIGHLY UNLIKELY IF YOU'RE DISCUSSING POLITICS), or just straight up racist.

Like, if you get called toxic by a community of people then you may need to step back, reflect on what you said or did, and try to nudge your pride out of the way, and confront yourself on your behavior. Entrenching yourself doesn't work long term. Like, do you think they will hold a grudge against you if you make an effort to do better? No.

Why is it so difficult for you guys to admit any actual wrong doing? Like, do you truly believe they are 100% in the wrong and you are 100% right?

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Does "Right ok." mean you agree with me?

Attacking the site as a whole? It's pretty obvious how infested the place is with folks who just want to be offensive. It's not wrong to call that out. It's good for the site because you can't let it fester.

No I don't agree with you. A poster posting a racist comment for example doesn't mean the site is racist. No more than you trolling means the site is full of trolls.

I see, you think you are just doing your duty and keyboard battling scum...

Nope. You are just here to cause an issue. Exactly why you have posted more here in the last 24 hours than you have for 6 months. You are trying to get banned, but banned your way.

You say the site is worse. But what you are doing shows exactly why it isn't. Had you come her before and spoke so hatefully against the site and it's members, you would have never been allowed to make so many posts. Your warning would have been a ban, not a conversation with a mod and the community. Even though people are pretty certain of your intentions, they have given you more then enough time to change your attitude. We have given you way more then you have given us.

Thank you for proving yourself wrong.