Nobody should forget to give this another watch as well in light of the recent announcements:
what he talked about was corridor designed games, it was if open world games didn't already exist tbh.Not denying that, but that’s part of what Cerny was talking about:
The idea behind it is to allow for very different ways of gamedesign.
That's the entire issue right now, Sony hasn't provided anything concrete to back up the talking points.
And what I'm mostly curious about, is how this will relate to VR.
Because as far as I can follow the discussions on all the tech, it seem that the PS5's design can have a major impact on the VR experience.
It’s like you can’t let your mind imagine an open world game, but with the detail of a cutscene in front of you wherever you look.what he talked about was corridor designed games, it was if open world games didn't already exist tbh.
Even in open-world games there are a lot of tricks.what he talked about was corridor designed games, it was if open world games didn't already exist tbh.
Still the same BS from you?SSD>TF - Mark Cerny
what he talked about was corridor designed games, it was if open world games didn't already exist tbh.
Agree but then you have games like GTA and forza horizon 4 are true open world. Yeah they gonna look much much better next gen can’t waitEven in open-world games there are a lot of tricks.
Just look at HZD for example, which is open world but has a lot of areas that are basically "corridors".
Most open-world games have these sections.
They also use the same tricks, probably just hiding it differently. Especially in urban environments.Agree but then you have games like GTA and forza horizon 4 are true open world. Yeah they gonna look much much better next gen can’t wait
Agree but then you have games like GTA and forza horizon 4 are true open world. Yeah they gonna look much much better next gen can’t wait
Only on PS5 (tm)Imagine... Pubg where the buildings actually load before you land. Heaven.
XSX will have 4k/120fps pop-up though.Only on PS5 (tm)
Do you even understand how much faster Ram is compared to the SSD ? Do people even understand what kind of BS they are trying to pass off as facts ? Really feels like the twilight zone....I understand why some say "it's the most impressive hardware in 20 years"
Putting to the max every aspects of the hardware and this SSD tech at the very heart of the console is REALLY IMPRESSIVE. I understand it like that: the SSD is the RAM were the game is and the PS5 its, let's say, Super FX. It is the opposite of XBOX, force power VS full speed (like the light).
AMD, SONY and Mark Cerny have changed the game industry with PS5.
Do you even understand how much faster on chip cache is compared to the RAM ? Do people even understand what kind of BS they are trying to pass off as facts ? Really feels like the twilight zone....Do you even understand how much faster Ram is compared to the SSD ? Do people even understand what kind of BS they are trying to pass off as facts ? Really feels like the twilight zone....
O.k, keep waiting for the SSD to be the new Ram , the OS to be stored in there and every other piece of BS , insane stuff we have been seeing in the last few days.Do you even understand how much faster on chip cache is compared to the RAM ? Do people even understand what kind of BS they are trying to pass off as facts ? Really feels like the twilight zone....
Lol
See how that works, multiple layers of a storage subsystem, each one slower but larger.
Cache -> ram -> ssd
But the 3rd tier has finally seen an astronomical leap from the decades of platter based physical spin. All working in unison. Freedom!
But what are you arguing against exactly? I’m sure you acknowledge that hard drives are used to store game assets and stream them to the ram for a long time now. The slowness has been a massive bottleneck because it’s fucking slow. If this becomes 100x faster, then surely it’s obvious it will have substantial effect?? Or not so obvious?O.k, keep waiting for the SSD to be the new Ram , the OS to be stored in there and every other piece of BS , insane stuff we have been seeing in the last few days.
Do you even understand how much faster on chip cache is compared to the RAM ? Do people even understand what kind of BS they are trying to pass off as facts ? Really feels like the twilight zone....
Lol
See how that works, multiple layers of a storage subsystem, each one slower but larger.
Cache -> ram -> ssd
But the 3rd tier has finally seen an astronomical leap from the decades of platter based physical spin. All working in unison. Freedom!
You should do better. Seriously.Do you even understand how much faster Ram is compared to the SSD ? Do people even understand what kind of BS they are trying to pass off as facts ? Really feels like the twilight zone....
I don't think anyone is claiming that the SSD is making PS5 equal in power.Comments, people said its a Sony developer.? SSD is still only a hard drive,. It not going to change the fact Xbox series is more powerful.
I don't think anyone is claiming that the SSD is making PS5 equal in power.
Good point, forgot about the DVR functions. That probably needs a good chunk of ram reserve, just like today.I'm pretty confident you'll still want to keep some things in ram. Last minutes of recorded play, friends and comms, security stuff, buffers for overlays, software for sharing stuff to social media etc. It's not just about speed, it's also about using up writes to a flash drive that you can never replace.
I'm actually expecting a pretty similar 2~3GB of OS reserve for PS5. The SSD isn't that much faster than the XSX in terms of running a real time OS and I think MS have already squeezed the reserve back about as much as practical.
But he didn't say thatSSD>TF - Mark Cerny
As far as I can tell, nobody is saying the SSD benefits will "fix" the power difference.Hope so? There are advantages to having a faster SSD, but its minimal advantage that most people will not care about. Sony will have less time loading screen, it may help with LOD pop in, other than that it not fix the power difference.
what he talked about was corridor designed games, it was if open world games didn't already exist tbh.
There is a misconception I believe of the PS5's SSD advantage.
The PS5 / XBX will very rarely be doing tasks to utilise the whole 5GB/s SSD bandwidth. On PC you only ever see peak bandwidth when transferring / reading large files from one hard drive to another.
Whilst in a game most of the big assets will already be loaded. Accessing smaller assets and IOPS /second will very likely be similar and I cannot imagine any ground breaking differences between IOPS of SSD's built in the same year.
There is a misconception I believe of the PS5's SSD advantage.
The PS5 / XBX will very rarely be doing tasks to utilize the whole 5GB/s SSD bandwidth. On PC you only ever see peak bandwidth when transferring / reading large files from one hard drive to another.
Whilst in a game most of the big assets will already be loaded. Accessing smaller assets and IOPS /second will very likely be similar and I cannot imagine any ground breaking differences between IOPS of SSD's built in the same year.
Exactly! most reads fros both SSDs will never reach peak performance as it will be much slower and this will mitigate the difference. Somehow people are expecting all reads to be at 5.5/2.4 GBs/s which is only the sequential read top speed, but most reads will be random.
Also, the notion of running/storing the OS from the SSD is pretty ridiculous as latency is much higher in an SSD than RAM, Dictator from DF already dismissed it in a similar thread in Resetera so I dont buy it...
Even having one part in the kernel and another suspended in the SSD would be impossible as the OS dedicated RAM is already optimized and used constantly while in-game for OS background tasks.
I am arguing that we have entered another round of weird speculation over the benefits of a fast SSD. Now we are at a point where the OS will be stored at the SSD , leaving all the Ram available for games, (even though Cerny never even implied this) and that a faster SSD will generally be used as extra RAM. I honestly can’t even argue such theories, it is like we are back at 13.3 TF/16 GB HBM2 memory ps5.But what are you arguing against exactly? I’m sure you acknowledge that hard drives are used to store game assets and stream them to the ram for a long time now. The slowness has been a massive bottleneck because it’s fucking slow. If this becomes 100x faster, then surely it’s obvious it will have substantial effect?? Or not so obvious?
Yeah annnnd? It’s speculation, it has to be, the systems aren’t here yet. This is a discussion forum???I am arguing that we have entered another round of weird speculation over the benefits of a fast SSD. Now we are at a point where the OS will be stored at the SSD , leaving all the Ram available for games, (even though Cerny never even implied this) and that a faster SSD will generally be used as extra RAM. I honestly can’t even argue such theories, it is like we are back at 13.3 TF/16 GB HBM2 memory ps5.
As far as the video goes , firstly the tone it uses is clearly propagandistic (Sony made the ps5 for developers, while the biggest software company in the world had no input from developers I guess) and the fact that the OFFICIAL Sony spec sheet uses the word «variable» next to its GPU&CPU clock speeds while this video uses the word «actuals». The Leaps of faith the video also takes when describing the RAM set ups is something to behold too.
I thought we were past the point of speculation, the specs are out there ...well mostly (Cerny didn’t say a word about how much RAM the ps5 OS will take)Yeah annnnd? It’s speculation, it has to be, the systems aren’t here yet. This is a discussion forum???
You’re Jamaicanmecrazy!!!
Congratulations, you have a superpowerI thought we were past the point of speculation, the specs are out there ...well mostly (Cerny didn’t say a word about how much RAM the ps5 OS will take)
Things look crystal clear to me.
Has there ever been a graphics card from the same released in the same generation (not sure if you call PC cards generation) eg Nvidia 960 v 970 v 980 or Amd 560 v 570 v 580 etc where the lower TF card has outperformed the higher TF card ?Can we have 1 at least and then let's discuss?
And for your second part here:-
"Anybody knows this, Nvidia tflops are different from AMD as they use different architectures this is well known. Tflops from nvidia are only interesting towards nvidia products. "
This just proves my point AGAIN, if Nvidia Tflops are not the same as AMD Tflops, then Tflops are not 100% accurate for a reference then are they?
Also, I thought this above logic (not mine by the way) states that Nvidia gets more from less Tflops? Which in the tests I did (which are 100% accurate and valid by the way) shows that AMD, in this instance, is getting more from them, further emphasising the Tflop focus issue around it.
Your thoughts please?
Just common sense, exactly how I was writing that the bs info by bs insiders about a super powerful 13+ tf PS5 was just that....bs, and I had no problem to get banned for that and for exposing people like Osirisblack and tommy Fischer.Congratulations, you have a superpower
Yes, the TNT2 M64 was on paper faster than other cards but it was limited by its bandwidth outside of 16-bit depth.Has there ever been a graphics card from the same released in the same generation (not sure if you call PC cards generation) eg Nvidia 960 v 970 v 980 or Amd 560 v 570 v 580 etc where the lower TF card has outperformed the higher TF card ?
Sorry, you are absolutely right, I done goofedAll the posts positively discussing your analysis and you chose to reply to the town dunce. Common son, get with the plan!
Is there anyway you can make a video where you could gimp one machine with the better gpu to another machine with the less powerful gpu and see how they compare.Yes, the TNT2 M64 was on paper faster than other cards but it was limited by its bandwidth outside of 16-bit depth.
The Voodoo cards regulary outperformed better cards due the much better Glide API.
Also a GPU can be limited by the CPU that instructs it, or the RAM it has or the HD it runs on. A system is MUCH more than a GPU alone.