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|OT| Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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My guess here is most of this is down to PS4 dev tools being updated to use Oodle compression?

ETA: And that ND have updated TLOU to take advantage of it.

No idea but it's only a small patch, no redownload or anything like that so I dunno if it's related to compression tech. Would be cool to learn what they actually did.

I think it's more that at the time the engine was kinda "shit" to run on PS4 and they updated it to take advantage of what they learned since then (it's been 6 years).

Very nice update for the new people coming into playstation consoles/exclusives.
 

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Hmm ... you might on to something here.

So much for the HDDs being slow, incompetent little fucks.
you are probably being sarcastic but that's my take on this. 13 seconds vs 2 mins is ridiculous for a ps3 game on ps4 and shows they didn't do a good job porting it in the first place.

I played tlou2 for a bit yesterday and i swear it took well over a minute to load a level. For a mostly linear game like tlou2, that's pretty unacceptable.
 

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Wont the majority of developers use the AMD route/technique in Ray Tracing and their iteration of AI super sampling? Consoles being the largest base and common denominator.

or maybe I'm wrong and developers will code for both.

We dont know about upscaling yet, and lets face it DLSS is on about 12 games so its only ones specfically supported by Nvidoa, there are 4000 + games last gen on ps4 alone. I hope an upscaling method is used that applies to all games, I would take a lesser more generic version anyday. lets see.

Ray tracing is api driven, and yes if consoles have it more pC games will have it but obviously more detailed resolution etc. At the moment some Nvidia supported games, it would be nice if it was broader.
 
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The loads are going to be like 1 or 2 seconds on PS5.

How is that even possible?! 😳
 
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Wait wasnt Osiris the 'insider' that basically admitted he was bullshitting before dissapearing from the forum?. Its been a while so i may be getting him mixed up with someone else.

I think that was FCRC. He's the one that photoshopped a PS5 dev kit. Then there was TommyFisher who was said to be an alt from someone from that Discord group.
 
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How is that even possible?! 😳
good programming. I code for a living and have reduced processing times for many different applications over the years by a magnitude. Sometimes it's poor coding, sometimes it's newer APIs that help us upgrade a 40 year old backend. Sometimes it's optimization to simply throw away things we thought we needed but we don't.

Tlou was running on a 256 mb vram on ps4, that's a 5 second load time of they had done a straight port. My guess is that they added higher quality textures and that took up almost 4 gb of vram" the ps4 and now they are going back and reworking how those textures are loaded.
 

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I played tlou2 for a bit yesterday and i swear it took well over a minute to load a level. For a mostly linear game like tlou2, that's pretty unacceptable.
But completely understandable for a hard drive which loads 50-100 MBs per second.

My personal opinion is that the PS4/X1 generation should have been optimized with a 'standard' SSD (500 MBs per second), while the PS5/XSX generation went just fine with a Nv2 SSD.

The PS4/X1 gen going with a mere HDD was a clusterfuck and it shows.
 

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you are probably being sarcastic but that's my take on this. 13 seconds vs 2 mins is ridiculous for a ps3 game on ps4 and shows they didn't do a good job porting it in the first place.

I played tlou2 for a bit yesterday and i swear it took well over a minute to load a level. For a mostly linear game like tlou2, that's pretty unacceptable.
You tell em Snakey! Unacceptable! Bad dogs!

Fix that shit now ND, or else SlimyKaren will keep playing your game!
 

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I think that was FCRC. He's the one that photoshopped a PS5 dev kit. Then there was TommyFisher who was said to be an alt from someone from that Discord group.
One of our 'insiders' did a post like this 'you know you guys shouldnt believe everything you are told, especially from me! lol. On with the show'. A few mins before Cerny did the PS5 reveal thing.
I'm sure it was Osiris.
 
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One of our 'insiders' did a post like this 'you know you guys shouldnt believe everything you are told, especially from me! lol. On with the show'. A few mins before Cerny did the PS5 reveal thing.
I'm sure it was Osiris.

That sounds more like Tommy Fisher to me. He was banned for planting false information here. But since you said all that it's pretty easy to pinpoint who it was.
 

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That sounds more like Tommy Fisher to me. He was banned for planting false information here. But since you said all that it's pretty easy to pinpoint who it was.
No, Stuart360 Stuart360 's more or less correct. Osiris did say some things which didn't come to pass and hurt his credibility bigtime. He *did* have the balls to show up for the massacre afterwards, but left shortly after.

I still love him and want to have tentacle sex with him, though. He's a huge Baldur's Gate / Mind Flayer fan.
 
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No, Stuart360 Stuart360 's more or less correct. Osiris did say some things which didn't come to pass and hurt his credibility bigtime. He *did* have the balls to show up for the massacre afterwards, but left shortly after.

I still love him and want to have tentacle sex with him, though. He's a huge Baldur's Gate / Mind Flayer fan.

What Stuart360 Stuart360 is saying is that OsirisBlack OsirisBlack admitted to spreading false information a few minutes before the Road to PS5 event. I did some research and I couldn't find any comments from OsirisBlack OsirisBlack like that.

One of our 'insiders' did a post like this 'you know you guys shouldnt believe everything you are told, especially from me! lol. On with the show'. A few mins before Cerny did the PS5 reveal thing.
I'm sure it was Osiris.

What Stuart360 Stuart360 is saying is alot different than what you're telling me.
 
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you are probably being sarcastic but that's my take on this. 13 seconds vs 2 mins is ridiculous for a ps3 game on ps4 and shows they didn't do a good job porting it in the first place.

I played tlou2 for a bit yesterday and i swear it took well over a minute to load a level. For a mostly linear game like tlou2, that's pretty unacceptable.

Initial loads are long but subsequent loads on LOUS2 are extremely short. Theoretically if the HDD is 50MB/s that would take 2min 10 sec to load into 6.5GB of RAM.
 

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What Stuart360 Stuart360 is saying is that OsirisBlack OsirisBlack admitted to spreading false information a few minutes before the Road to PS5 event. I did some research and I couldn't find any comments from OsirisBlack OsirisBlack like that.



What Stuart360 Stuart360 is saying is alot different than what you're telling me.
Yeah just checked his post history and cant see anything. I was almost certain it was Osiris, but i'm obviously wrong. Weird.
 

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What Stuart360 Stuart360 is saying is that OsirisBlack OsirisBlack admitted to spreading false information a few minutes before the Road to PS5 event. I did some research and I couldn't find any comments from OsirisBlack OsirisBlack like that.



What Stuart360 Stuart360 is saying is alot different than what you're telling me.
I am not sure whether that was trolling on Osiris' part, or a harmless joke. But I kinda remember him saying something like that. I don't think that Stuart is lying, but he may be a little off-context? Not really sure, it's been half a year.
 

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Looking at the two systems, i would love to know which one is more expensive to produce and which company is taking a bigger more significant hit on cost.

anyone like to take a rough guess at what they think both companies are taking as a hit/lost to get to that 500 dollar mark?
 
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Yeah just checked his post history and cant see anything. I was almost certain it was Osiris, but i'm obviously wrong. Weird.
I am not sure whether that was trolling on Osiris' part, or a harmless joke. But I kinda remember him saying something like that. I don't think that Stuart is lying, but he may be a little off-context? Not really sure, it's been half a year.

I honestly believed it was somebody else. I've seen people banned for spreading fake information like TimDog for example. It has to be one of those people. OsirisBlack OsirisBlack doesn't have a comment like that in his post history.
 

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I honestly believed it was somebody else. I've seen people banned for spreading fake information like TimDog for example. It has to be one of those people. OsirisBlack OsirisBlack doesn't have a comment like that in his post history.
Problem is that there were multiple PS5 related threads people were posting in right before the Cerny show, so it may not of even been in that specific thread. So cant really check. Its bugging me now though lol because i remember multiple people quoting the post and having a go lol.
Its obviously one of the other 'insiders' though as you cant delete your own posts on here.
 
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Problem is that there were multiple PS5 related threads people were posting in right before the Cerny show, so it may not of even been in that specific thread. So cant really check. Its bugging me now though lol because i remember multiple people quoting the post and having a go lol.
Its obviously one of the other 'insiders' though as you cant delete your own posts on here.

I would assume that someone admitting to spreading false information would be banned here. Plus I'm sure the mods have a way to pull up deleted comments.

No idea why nothing was done if true.
 
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good programming. I code for a living and have reduced processing times for many different applications over the years by a magnitude. Sometimes it's poor coding, sometimes it's newer APIs that help us upgrade a 40 year old backend. Sometimes it's optimization to simply throw away things we thought we needed but we don't.

Tlou was running on a 256 mb vram on ps4, that's a 5 second load time of they had done a straight port. My guess is that they added higher quality textures and that took up almost 4 gb of vram" the ps4 and now they are going back and reworking how those textures are loaded.
it could definitely be a global WWS initiative on a new asset streaming/loading tech!
 
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The meme was kinda funny 3 months ago and then when they did the stream with the giant Xbox in the background it was like oh that’s funny they acknowledged the meme! But now they’ve been repeating this joke over and over it’s being run into the ground
I call it smart business. Just like capitalizing off of the unfunny Craig meme and even giving it a name. Smart tactics to me 🤷🏾‍♂️
 
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I think... Microsoft is leaning into the meme a bit too hard..

Let's be honest : MS has money to burn. They wouldn't have bought Bethesda and given 343 their 4th chance to get Halo right if they didn't. They might as well lean into the fridge meme to get more buzz for the XSX.
 

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yes several other forum users and I had several private conversations about it. I will say that Heisenberg was 100% right and I know why I was given the numbers that I was. I will not speak on anything as I am just a forum member and will not be speaking as an insider. I will say that they were 100% correct on the games and time frames even though capcom and Sony outright denied resident evil 8 and god of war ragnarok. Outside of that I am just as excited as you all are for the next consoles and would suggest that you all hold on to your socks.

Wait wasnt Osiris the 'insider' that basically admitted he was bullshitting before dissapearing from the forum?. Its been a while so i may be getting him mixed up with someone else.

I can understand why insiders(under the assumption that they are genuine) were relayed the 13TF information by developers and that information turned out to be lies/wrong. It is most likely due to difference in maturity of APIs along with easy-to-use software tools, and dev architectures between Sony and Microsoft. As Microsoft have moved towards new General Development Kit (GDK) software, across multiple platforms like PC, Xbox Series S/X, and Xbox One while Mark Cerny focus on easier development for PS5.

I am going to reserve judgement on Xbox Series X performance until DF's analysis on 3rd party titles. At the moment Sony's PS5 is showing parity and even advantage in some games(Yakuza) over Microsoft's Xbox Series X .

Also Rockstar's next GTA/RDR game would be good indicator for measuring the real world performance difference between PS5 and XBox Series X by then Microsoft too would have mature APIs and Rockstar are considered the best third party developers who are able to extract maximum performance from consoles.
 

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I think... Microsoft is leaning into the meme a bit too hard..


You would think with all the bottomless pit of wasting money they would find one company in the world that could show a game running on XSX with ray tracing would be a more sensible investment.

Their PR department just dont get it, show us something.
 
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You would think with all the bottomless pit of wasing money they would find one company in teh world that could show a game running on XSX with ray tracing would be a more sensible investment.

Their PR department just dont get it, show us something.

The masters of Smoke and mirrors.
 

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It’s not a joke, dude. We quite literally have an extra hour here.

Its a gentle reminder as most people in UK forget to adjust their clocks at midnight by 1 hour, as we have to be out of time skink with Europe as we are diffiuclt like that lol

I always forget, and I did until this post.
 
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Its a gentle reminder as most people in UK forget to adjust their clocks at midnight by 1 hour, as we have to be out of time skink with Europe as we are diffiuclt like that lol

I always forget, and I did until this post.

What's a clock?






slow night, sorry "lollipop_disappointed:
 
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