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|OT| Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

hemo memo

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Should I go full evil and sell my second PS5 pre-order? I only got it because I don’t trust Amazon to deliver anything on time.

Or should I throw it back into the pond and let another catch it....

Money or sleeping well at night. Tough choices.

Back into the pond. Sleep well at night. Capitalism is worse enough.
 
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MrS

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Should I go full evil and sell my second PS5 pre-order? I only got it because I don’t trust Amazon to deliver anything on time.

Or should I throw it back into the pond and let another catch it....

Money or sleeping well at night. Tough choices.
Just do it. There is money to be made here. Wish I had a second one to sell.
 
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Is it already know when the NDA for PS5 materials is going to be lifted, since so many people have recently received it?
 

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Should I go full evil and sell my second PS5 pre-order? I only got it because I don’t trust Amazon to deliver anything on time.

Or should I throw it back into the pond and let another catch it....

Money or sleeping well at night. Tough choices.

If you don't need or want it, sell it for a MODEST profit. Don't try to just rip someone off and make ridiculous money off of it. Capitalism is great, but needs to be moderated with a conscience. Otherwise it's just plain, selfish greed.
 

hemo memo

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Is it already know when the NDA for PS5 materials is going to be lifted, since so many people have recently received it?

Nope. Probably unboxing of hardware and accessories next week and game previews and UI the week after and full embargo lift on 10 of November.
 

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But why? Where do you live?

Live? Well right now to answer that I’d say near Hong Kong.

However that’s right now.... I’ve lived in the UK and US recently which are the 2 places with EBs.

And in neither of those countries would I recommend anyone go to EB or one of the associated stores to buy a PS5. Or anything except to trade in used games maybe.

Why wouldn’t a person go with a major retailer? Walmart, Best Buy, Amazon - those are the kind of companies that will get stock.
 
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I was actually dealing with their customer service earlier, but they have very rude responses. I initially wanted to cancel the skins when I found out about the faceplate customization, but then sent back another email saying to keep the order intact in case. This was done after hours. And then I get this





Tread lightly with them if you decide to buy one.
I’d cancel straight away after that. Asswipes.
 

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I was actually dealing with their customer service earlier, but they have very rude responses. I initially wanted to cancel the skins when I found out about the faceplate customization, but then sent back another email saying to keep the order intact in case. This was done after hours. And then I get this





Tread lightly with them if you decide to buy one.
You're a pain in the ass Mike
 
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Are you Brazilian? I haven't decided yet what to do. I'm living in Ireland at the moment but I will move back to Brazil next year, depending on the prices in Brazil I might buy mine there.
Well, there are the prices. Tbh, I don’t know if you’ll have to pay taxes if you buy there and bring it here but the Brazillian PS5 is the 2nd most expensive in the world.
 
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I was actually dealing with their customer service earlier, but they have very rude responses. I initially wanted to cancel the skins when I found out about the faceplate customization, but then sent back another email saying to keep the order intact in case. This was done after hours. And then I get this





Tread lightly with them if you decide to buy one.

Just tell them that you will pay them in aspirin.
 

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Well, there are the prices. Tbh, I don’t know if you’ll have to pay taxes if you buy there and bring it here but the Brazillian PS5 is the 2nd most expensive in the world.

I can enter Brazil carrying 500 euro/dollars without having to pay taxes. Probably it'll be cheaper for me to buy here in Ireland, I don't see Brazilian Real getting stronger any time soon.
 

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Oh, I am sure that AngryJoe will cope with it and just go on with his life. As far as I understood (I am not too much of a fanboy) he got his PS5 secured but not hix XSX. Anyhow the guy gets pretty much no goods from anyone, as far as I am aware, so he can still go around and brag that he is independent in his take.

I believe that the guy is right on a number of issues, thought. He is right about corporate greed and he is right in advocating more value for the money spent and death to loot boxes, pretty much like Jim Sterling. The problem that I have with him (and pretty much every one else out there) is when they mix gaming and politics, and AngryJoe is very vocal on polical issues.


If you can afford it, do this:
  1. get a big ass external HDD (4TB should be at around 100 bucks or less);
  2. dump everything on the HDD: games, saves, trophies, etc;
  3. if you have PS+, save all saves on the cloud
  4. deactivate from primary, wipe the PS4Pro and sell it
Once you get a PS5 you can hook up the drive to it so that you can pla all PS4 games directly from it or use it as a cold storage to move games in and out of the SSD. The save files can be restored from the cloud or the HDD, which ever works best for you.

Just get an external SSD, would be much faster to transfer back and forth, including PS5 games. The speed will be more important in the long run i think instead of storage size. Its great to put 50 games on a 4TB HDD, but may be better to get 1TB SSD and be able to transfer a game over in 2 mins instead of 20.
 

danielJackson

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sell your 2nd ps5 to someone with small profit. like 550$/€ that way u can make sure no scalper is buying it and you got some cash for it as well.

600€ would be fair imo.

Depending of the country, disc edition costs varies. Here it is 529-549€.

Complicated matter, because there would not be launch units for everyone anyway, so some late/lazy people wont get theirs, unless someone whom spent maybe days on research + checking sites for hours sells theirs.

Like lets say someone spent modest 10 hours (if counting every hour of looking up info, checking launch dates, checking rumours, forums etc. It cane easily be 100-300 hours) to get preorder in, time is money and asking 100€ extra is cheap, only 10€/h of "salary"

Yeah it sucks to be the buyer, but when someone is willing to pay 100€ extra because they didnt want to do the research and stalk sites for hours to hit that 20s - 10min window when they were available, then it is fair. They offer money for people whom did the shitty part on their behalf.

There are rich people whom dont care if it is 500€ or 1500€, it is their money to spend. And us poorer people just have to wait or spend time to rush in preorder.

If people start to pay like 1000€ or more for units, of course I would sell mine.

In the end it is just a console and nobody forces others to buy it on high price, real problems are essential things like expensive insulin on US, people should rage about that. Insulin is free/almost free on many countries.

Everyone have the option to wait and paying more than you can afford is just buyers fault.

But I agree that people whom buy like 10-100 units just to sell them go over the border of "taking my chances vs making a business"
 

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I'm selling my ps4 pro on Friday, is copying my save files on usb enough to be ready for ps5 ?
do I have to make my ps4 pro not primary console or can I just delete everything.
I thought about also copying those pictures connected to trophies

Yes, as other recommended, PS+ for it's backup, but also make your own backup to play it safe. Make at least two backups.
 

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he can sell the console at whatever price he desires. i for one, while being able to technically afford it, wont buy the ps5 for 501€.
luckily i have a preordered console from MediaMarkt Germany. hopefully they deliver. but if they dont, i will wait for msrp.
 
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So.... OsirisBlack OsirisBlack if your back....

Any thoughts on what went wrong with sources or info?

I wasn't a member yet but was reading.

Also I used to have an account many years ago, ps4 launch time, cant even remember what name, but I do remember you giving info was it gamestop sales info?

No hate from me about info that wasn't right but interested to know your thoughts on what happened.

Now were seeing PS5 and series X 'unexpectedly' for some performing the same on all games so far, does this play into any teraflop guesses at the time, given how focused people were on teraflops at the time. If Sony was getting amazing performance in ways we haven't expected could it have been wrongly linked to a higher TF number? Or was it just wrong info like a lot seemed to have?

I believe there was also something you apparently saw running that hasn't come to pass, any explanation?

Thanks.

yes several other forum users and I had several private conversations about it. I will say that Heisenberg was 100% right and I know why I was given the numbers that I was. I will not speak on anything as I am just a forum member and will not be speaking as an insider. I will say that they were 100% correct on the games and time frames even though capcom and Sony outright denied resident evil 8 and god of war ragnarok. Outside of that I am just as excited as you all are for the next consoles and would suggest that you all hold on to your socks.
 
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yes several other forum users and I had several private conversations about it. I will say that Heisenberg was 100% right and I know why I was given the numbers that I was. I will not speak on anything as I am just a forum member and will not be speaking as an insider. I will say that they were 100% correct on the games and time frames even though capcom and Sony outright denied resident evil 8 and god of war ragnarok. Outside of that I am just as excited as you all are for the next consoles and would suggest that you all hold on to your socks.


Well welcome back it's good to see you posting again. It's been a wild ride but thankfully it's almost over.

I'm still glad that your excited for these systems. After what happened I thought we might not see you again here.
 

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I wish these “influencers” and game press could at least say when they can do ps5 coverage.
I’d imagine it will be flooded with unboxing videos and eventually a few specific games and the UI.

But surely let them say what dates these will happen as the only people who will see the information is the hardcore gamers who care!!
 
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So it seems the AMD's 6800 XT (RDNA 2) will be on par with the Nvidia 3080 as well as exceeding it a number of games in both resolution and FPS. However the ray tracing of it will be on par with the something like a 2080 Ti which is not bad at all however Nvidia seems to edge out on ray-tracing performance, not surprising as Nvidia have been invested in the ray-tracing technology much longer. Not exactly next-gen related I know but really good results if they are true and would mean the next-gen console GPU's are more promising than expected.
 
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So it seems the AMD's 6800 XT (RDNA 2) will be on par with the Nvidia 3080 as well as exceeding it a number of games in both resolution and FPS. However the ray tracing of it will be on par with the something like a 2080 Ti which is not bad at all however Nvidia seems to edge out on ray-tracing performance, not surprising as Nvidia have been invested in the ray-tracing technology much longer. Not exactly next-gen related I know but really good results if they are true and would mean the next-gen console GPU's are more promising than expected.
I'd assume AMD will talk about something for Ray Tracing on the 28th. Didn't someone mention that the high clocks will help with Ray Tracing? Which is how Sony is attacking it?

I'm excited for the future. AMD is now pushing Intel AND Nvidia. Competition is great for us.
 
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yes several other forum users and I had several private conversations about it. I will say that Heisenberg was 100% right and I know why I was given the numbers that I was. I will not speak on anything as I am just a forum member and will not be speaking as an insider. I will say that they were 100% correct on the games and time frames even though capcom and Sony outright denied resident evil 8 and god of war ragnarok. Outside of that I am just as excited as you all are for the next consoles and would suggest that you all hold on to your socks.

Hey, welcome back, man! Good to see you around!
 

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yes several other forum users and I had several private conversations about it. I will say that Heisenberg was 100% right and I know why I was given the numbers that I was. I will not speak on anything as I am just a forum member and will not be speaking as an insider. I will say that they were 100% correct on the games and time frames even though capcom and Sony outright denied resident evil 8 and god of war ragnarok. Outside of that I am just as excited as you all are for the next consoles and would suggest that you all hold on to your socks.

Welcome back, as an insider you were not as bad as the pigeon guy. :messenger_beaming:

Take a solace in that we still do not know the relative power of the consoles, TF is just one number there is so much more to consider such as caches and architecture. And we still dont know.

In 4 days we are getting a 22 TF AMD card with a super cache (infinity) taking on a 30 TF ampere beast. And nobody is sure who will come out on top for 4k gaming (outside ray tracing)

We will only find out when benchmarks start hitting for 3rd party. Enjoy the ride with all of us.
 
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So it seems the AMD's 6800 XT (RDNA 2) will be on par with the Nvidia 3080 as well as exceeding it a number of games in both resolution and FPS. However the ray tracing of it will be on par with the something like a 2080 Ti which is not bad at all however Nvidia seems to edge out on ray-tracing performance, not surprising as Nvidia have been invested in the ray-tracing technology much longer. Not exactly next-gen related I know but really good results if they are true and would mean the next-gen console GPU's are more promising than expected.
Maybe current RT for games are not optimized for AMD implementation. Nvidia's hardware solution is very different and games are so far based on it.
 

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Wait wasnt Osiris the 'insider' that basically admitted he was bullshitting before dissapearing from the forum?. Its been a while so i may be getting him mixed up with someone else.
 
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So it seems the AMD's 6800 XT (RDNA 2) will be on par with the Nvidia 3080 as well as exceeding it a number of games in both resolution and FPS. However the ray tracing of it will be on par with the something like a 2080 Ti which is not bad at all however Nvidia seems to edge out on ray-tracing performance, not surprising as Nvidia have been invested in the ray-tracing technology much longer. Not exactly next-gen related I know but really good results if they are true and would mean the next-gen console GPU's are more promising than expected.
AMD uses the shaders to calculate the ray tracing and also disables the TMUs while doing so. So when you turn on the RT it will not only decrease its ray tracing performance but it will also decrease its performance for shader calculation.

That is, unless the RT is not the same as in SX that I do not rule it out, I think that when you turn RT the card will be very penalized.

However, its point is that they will be more economical and already falls within what each one values RT, which from my point of view is overrated and a powerful IO controller seems much more essential.

A greeting.
 

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yes several other forum users and I had several private conversations about it. I will say that Heisenberg was 100% right and I know why I was given the numbers that I was. I will not speak on anything as I am just a forum member and will not be speaking as an insider. I will say that they were 100% correct on the games and time frames even though capcom and Sony outright denied resident evil 8 and god of war ragnarok. Outside of that I am just as excited as you all are for the next consoles and would suggest that you all hold on to your socks.
Arnold voice: YOU SANAVABITCH!

I have so many questions!

Where the hell were you? Thought we were going to be pissed at you for the 13TFs thingie? Will you buy Dirt 5? Did you laugh at the Halo Infinite gameplay? What was the trailer with the insect/curse thing? RE8? Did you knew about the Bethesda acquisition - hence why you said MS was killing it?

But most importantly ...




Did you come?

I did. And it's still early access. Full of bugs and shit. And yet I came.
 
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I get that anyone can write crap on the internet but at least put some effort into it. I read this like an idiot and he says the PS5 will run it at 1800p because the PS4 Pro ran it at 1800p...That literally his argument. Some people are so fucking stupid, clickbait or not, I don't get how people aren't embarrassed by posting these types of terrible excuse for words and sentences...either side of said console wars.
Unfortunately, these people are smart. They know how to make money by catering to the stupidity and gullibility of people on the internet.
 

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Welcome back, as an insider you were not as bad as the pigeon guy. :messenger_beaming:

Take a solace in that we still do not know the relative power of the consoles, TF is just one number there is so much more to consider such as caches and architecture. And we still dont know.

In 4 days we are getting a 22 TF AMD card with a super cache (infinity) taking on a 30 TF ampere beast. And nobody is sure who will come out on top for 4k gaming (outside ray tracing)

We will only find out when benchmarks start hitting for 3rd party. Enjoy the ride with all of us.
Wont the majority of developers use the AMD route/technique in Ray Tracing and their iteration of AI super sampling? Consoles being the largest base and common denominator.

or maybe I'm wrong and developers will code for both.
 
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Should I go full evil and sell my second PS5 pre-order? I only got it because I don’t trust Amazon to deliver anything on time.

Or should I throw it back into the pond and let another catch it....

Money or sleeping well at night. Tough choices.

i clicked buy on the last console and a second later it said sorry sold out.

NOW I KNOW WHO IS REASONABLE, YOU BASTARD.
 
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Three Jackdaws

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This post if not a dig at anyone but just a thought that crossed my mind, past couple of posts have reminded me how much of a shit show it was earlier in the year (pre-Mark Cerny Road to PS5). So so many leaks coming out left right and centre on the PS5 TF number, crazy how 95% of the people were wrong but dam it was chaos.

Now we are less than 30 days away from launch and everyone (ok almost everyone) is just hyped. How times have changed! :)
 

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This post if not a dig at anyone but just a thought that crossed my mind, past couple of posts have reminded me how much of a shit show it was earlier in the year (pre-Mark Cerny Road to PS5). So so many leaks coming out left right and centre on the PS5 TF number, crazy how 95% of the people were wrong but dam it was chaos.

Now we are less than 30 days away from launch and everyone (ok almost everyone) is just hyped. How times have changed! :)

Agreed. The thing that annoys me the most is the repeated believing of certain things/people even after facts are revealed....

The cycle will start anew quicker than we think too!
 

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What am i missing here, that's a massive difference on the same hardware?

It seems way to good to be true,
This. How the fuck is that even possible. And why was it never patched to run like this on the PS4 before the coming of the PS5 - what the FUCK.

Is it possible they super-compressed the data? Is the game still the same size it used to be on the PS4?
 
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What am i missing here, that's a massive difference on the same hardware?

It seems way to good to be true,

There was an update to the game yesterday. As you can see they massively improved the load times and I suspect it's preparation for PS5 since it's a PS+ Collection game (good for people that never played it before).

This. How the fuck is that even possible. And why was it never patched to run like this on the PS4 before the coming of the PS5 - what the FUCK.

I think it's because:

1) It was ND first game on PS4 to get the engine ready for their next games
2) They now have mastery of the PS4 hardware
3) They're doing some fucking wizardry (probably learned a tip or two from sucker punch lmao).
 
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This. How the fuck is that even possible. And why was it never patched to run like this on the PS4 before the coming of the PS5 - what the FUCK.

Is it possible they super-compressed the data? Is the game still the same size it used to be on the PS4?

is this something all games will take advantage of, i keep thinking maybe its because its a ps3 game that got released again on a ps4 as a remaster.

I keep feeling like i am being lied to lol, the difference is so massive.
 
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