TrebleShot
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Embarassingly bad and late to the market, get SD OLED instead of this trash and any other PC handheld running windows trash.
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MSI to launch gaming handheld device at CES 2024
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Senua
Member
Trash is rather hyperbolic
FingerBang
Member
Can't wait to see another handheld with the same performance (or worse), a ton of useless features and without goddamn VRR.
The ROG Ally remains unbeatable
The ROG Ally remains unbeatable
TrebleShot
Member
Nah. ive had them all mate, they are trash, utter gutter level experiences.
Holammer
Member
MSI CLAW gaming handheld leaked, features Intel Core Ultra 7 155H with Arc graphics and 32GB memory - VideoCardz.com
MSI handheld leaked MSI to compete with ASUS and Lenovo with a brand-new handheld. MSI CLAW, Source: @wnxod Less than 24 hours since MSI’s first teaser on social media and we now have a picture, name, and full specs of the upcoming device. This gaming handheld is called CLAW, and it will be...
videocardz.com
diffusionx
Gold Member
I don't understand why anyone who wants a handheld PC would buy anything but the Steam Deck, especially with the OLED. Yea, they offer somewhat better performance but at tremendous costs in battery and usability. If anyone expects MSI to make a better device than Asus or Lenovo, lol.
I really hope one of these handhelds normalizes eGPUs eventually. The CPUs in all these handhelds (except the Steam Deck) is really good enough to replace a mainstream gaming computer with e.g. a R5 7600/14600K if only you had access to a external GPU. Would be a huge win for handheld/laptop gaming.
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Magic Carpet
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Up to 32 Gig of memory?
This reminds me of China phone makers putting obscene amounts of memory in their cell phones because more is better in marketing.
Memory prices shot up because of this waste. The phones were not even using it.
This reminds me of China phone makers putting obscene amounts of memory in their cell phones because more is better in marketing.
Memory prices shot up because of this waste. The phones were not even using it.
skyfall
Member
Eh I don’t know why any would buy a steam deck
It’s very underpowered compared to the competition
Has limited os- can’t use it as a windows tablet
Has very limited game compatibility, not every steam game is compatible, let alone can’t use your uplay/origin/gog/epic games
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Kinda ugly imo
Shakka43
Member
You can.
About the asymmetrical sticks, as a symmetry advocate for controllers I actually think asymmetrical works better for big handhelds like these, unless they go for a uniform style like the Steam Deck. For smaller handhelds like Switch and below I would go for symmetrical all the way.
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Topher
Gold Member
Details on the processor:
Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel
Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
www.intel.com
That extra power comes at the cost of battery life. I had the Rog Ally and yes, it is more powerful, but I basically had an hour of gameplay at a time. Not ideal.
Linux is not a limited OS. Why in the world would anyone use a gaming handheld as a tablet? Just buy a tablet.
As
Shakka43
pointed out, you are wrong about not being able to play games from other launchers. The exception is games from the Windows store and Game Pass. You would have to use streaming for those, which you can. But most are going to be playing games from the Steam library and that works very well.
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Topher
Gold Member
Explain what you mean by "gutter level experience". Just saying they are "trash" doesn't really mean much.
Isn't 32 GB RAM overkill for a handheld?
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Gamezone
Gold Member
Probably, but the Steam isn't being sold here, and is weaker than the Z1 Extreme.
diffusionx
Gold Member
not sure why people are coming at me with “but muh power” when I addressed that in my post. If you want power buy a laptop or a desktop. By getting marginally more power with one of these other devices you’re getting a worse handheld experience, dodgy software like the armor crate shit, using an OS that is not designed for this form factor, etc. as a handheld device, Steam Deck is just unquestionably superior and Valve/community is putting a lot of resources into it, software, compatibility, etc. it’s just a much better handheld device.
Topher
Gold Member
Power has been addressed, but yeah.....if it ain't available in Norway then your options are limited to the Windows handhelds. Personally, I'm looking forward to Valve releasing Steam OS for other manufacturers to use. Would be nice if companies like Asus, MSI and Lenovo offered either Steam or Windows as a choice.
Gamezone
Gold Member
But how do Power intend to replace parts on these things?
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Not if your maxing out the gpu with 8 or more gb for ram! Most handhelds start at 4gb which hampers the gpu in modern games.
Topher
Gold Member
I don't understand your question
Topher
Gold Member
They are all looking at the trend-setter.
Switch didn't set the trend of asymmetrical thumbsticks
Zathalus
Member
GameCube did!
Topher
Gold Member
I move between symmetrical and asymmetrical between Xbox controller -> Dualsense -> 8bitdo Ultimate -> Steam Deck all the time and never blink an eye. I don't think any are "obviously superior". Some just prefer one layout over the other.
Calverz
Member
You just adjust to whatever you play. Personally I prefer asymmetrical and the vast majority of the market has adopted asymmetrical sticks. PlayStation probably would be asymmetrical by now but the symmetrical sticks are kind of part of their identity now I think. Neither are superior.
Zathalus
Member
Oh I have no issues either, it's just the the majority of arguments for either boil down to the following:
Asymmetrical is better because your thumb for movement is in a more natural position.
Symmetrical is better because both thumbs are in the same place and is this more comfortable.
Top placed symmetrical sticks satisfy both of the above requirements.
Personally I can use anything. Just making fun of the argument.
balls of snow
Member
Supposed spec leaked
steamdeckhq.com
Leak: MSI "Claw" Handheld to Use Intel APU with 32gb RAM - Steam Deck HQ
It appears MSI's upcoming handheld could be called the Claw and will use an Intel Core Ultra 7 APU based on this new leak.
steamdeckhq.com
Topher
Gold Member
Supposed spec leaked
Leak: MSI "Claw" Handheld to Use Intel APU with 32gb RAM - Steam Deck HQ
It appears MSI's upcoming handheld could be called the Claw and will use an Intel Core Ultra 7 APU based on this new leak.
| Z1 Extreme | Intel Core Ultra 7 | |
| CPU Cores/Threads | 8/16 | 16/22 |
| Base Clock | 3.3 GHz | 3.8 GHz |
| Boost Clock | 5.1 GHz | 4.78 GHz |
| GPU Cores | 12 | 8 |
| L2 Cache | 8MB | 2MBx2 |
| L3 Cache | 16MB | 24MB |
Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel
Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
www.intel.com
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Gamezone
Gold Member
Never mind, I thought you meant a store named Power, which do sell Steam Deck imports here
cyberheater
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As a recent Steam Deck owner I’m a fan of the form factor. It‘s good that technology is allowing more manufacturers into that space.
The more people gaming the better.
The more people gaming the better.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
GPU and power consumption are the keyAre those two clusters the cores for the CPU and GPU?No...that's not right.
Z1 Extreme Intel Core Ultra 7 CPU Cores/Threads 8/16 16/22 Base Clock 3.3 GHz 3.8 GHz Boost Clock 5.1 GHz 4.78 GHz GPU Cores 12 8 L2 Cache 8MB 2MBx2 L3 Cache 16MB 24MB
Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel
Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 processor 155H (24M Cache, up to 4.80 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
Gamezone
Gold Member
I remember making a thread asking if the Steam Deck would get more competitors because of its popularity, but most users said "no, it's a niche market", yet here we are. The Rog Ally, Steam Deck (with OLED too), Legion GO and MSI Claw. I wonder why all these manufacturers suddenly decided to create their own handhelds so close to each other. They had all time in the world, and now they're all making them.
Calverz
Member
MSI Claw A1M - Grip and Game
MSI Claw A1M, a groundbreaking gaming handheld that marks a new era in portable gaming experiences. Powered by Intel® Core™ Ultra processors and featuring Intel® XeSS technology, ensuring a smooth and immersive gameplay experience even on AAA titles.
www.msi.com
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Cyberpunkd
Member
It has the largest and most user-friendly compatibility out of all handhelds. Way fewer games are compatible for ROG and Legion, etc. since so many require you fiddling with the command prompt settings, etc. Steamdeck is as close to plug&play as you can get.
Hohenheim
Member
I had the Rog Ally, and replaced it with the Legion Go - which is perfect for me. Nothing in this makes me feel like another change is needed for me, but very cool that more companies embrace the handheld PC.
In 2-3 years the new versions of these will be amazing.
Such a great companion for a good desktop PC.
In 2-3 years the new versions of these will be amazing.
Such a great companion for a good desktop PC.
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Eh. Not quite true. The deck loses out on the compatibility front (some of the biggest PC games aren’t even compatible) and certainly is the weakest of the three performance and emulation wise.
It definitely excels in battery and ease of use. My Deck OLED has a fantastic display too.
Looking forward to seeing more performance tests from near final builds of this MSI device. Competition is great, and Intel brings a new variable to the table. Thankfully they went with a big battery compared to the competition.
Looks like a better, more ergonomic ROG Ally to me…with a working SD card slot.