Why don‘t you have masks in supermarkets like we have in Germany though? People were crammed into Albert Heijn and didn‘t give a fuck last week when I was there. I was happy I had my FFP2 mask on.
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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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Deleted member 17706
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As soon as masks became mandatory here in Washington state, it seems like everyone just said fuck it to social distancing and limiting store capacity. I went to Costco a week ago and the place was packed. Everyone had masks, but no one tried to stay clear of each other even if there was enough space, which there often was not.
OuterLimits
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I think you bring up a valid point. I'm in favor of masks, but I have noticed the same thing here in Virginia. People assume the mask will stop the virus. It helps, but if people are packed together, the virus is spreading.
Plus a ton of people wear masks fucking incorrectly anyway.
DeepBreath87
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I have always been skeptical of 2 week out predictions. But the Hispanic populations in my area of PA have disproportionately been impacted. I don’t know if that comes from some kind of genetic susceptibility or lack of overall health. We will see where it goes. If I lived in these places and I was elderly or had diabetes, I’d be taking extra precautions."The number of people who are getting sick and going to the hospitals has exponentially increased. The number of people in our ICU beds has exponentially increased," Turner said on CBS's "Face The Nation."
Coronavirus on track to overwhelm Houston hospitals in two weeks, mayor says
Hospitals in Houston, Texas are on track to be overwhelmed in approximately two weeks as coronavirus cases mount, Mayor Sylvester Turner said on Sunday.www.cnbc.com
In Houston, the percentage of tests for the virus coming back positive has risen to nearly 25%. Turner said that people of color were being disproportionately impacted, particularly Hispanic residents.
Also Mexico has been seeing like a 50% positivity rate on test results. I wonder whether proximity to the border is playing a role.
cryptoadam
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White people in the USA are under represented in hospitilizations. They only accoubt for 33%. Blacks and hispanica are more than half. Any increase in hospitals is because of the virus hitting those communities. I wonder why hmmm. Actually if your younger than 65 and white you make up less than a quarter of the hospitlizations. Only at 65 do white people hit 40% of hospitlizations.
iBleedSilverNBlue
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What happened to this forum 
Jooxed
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What happened to this forum
Last time I checked , nothing. we are still going strong. What do you mean friend?
Smiles and Cries
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US will reach 3 million tomorrow
www.worldometers.info
Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,949,997 Cases and 2,852,987 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
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cryptoadam
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People are fed up its not just Drumpf
The hypocrisy broke people.
The hypocrisy broke people.
DeepBreath87
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We have long since past 3 million actual cases. The CDC has been saying for every positive test there may be as many as 10 actual cases.US will reach 3 million tomorrow
Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,949,997 Cases and 2,852,987 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
cryptoadam
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Israeli technology that can 'sniff out' COVID-19 infections begins trials
Nanoscent's method itself was previously and successfully tested by researchers at the Technion University in conjunction with medical researchers at the Rambam Health Care Campus back in mid-March.
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diffusionx
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Smiles and Cries
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Sure I get the idea and would believe it to be true, just like I understand the estimate that China has 2.2 million cases. This is just the reported numbers, I think the reported and estimates are just different ways to consider what is going on.
There are negatives and positives to both. Reported numbers can be held back by a government hidding their numbers or faking them. While the other number is a educated guessing game.
We can report both.
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The fact that positive results are *not* increasing in New York despite increased testing makes me think that this virus burns through the population (reaches a sort of herd immunity) a lot quicker than we thought.
They went from a 50% positive test result to total tests performed ratio, but have been flat at around 1~2% for a long time now.
Daily Testing Trends in New York - Johns Hopkins
See daily changes in tests performed and positivity rates in New Yorkcoronavirus.jhu.edu
Sorry to quote myself, but I saw someone mention "probable cases" being included in the total positive results (total cases) and thought they were just going off on some crazy conspiracy theory, but...
Cases, Data, and Surveillance
Cases, data, and surveillance to track and analyze COVID-19.
Yo, what the hell is going on? How long has this been happening and what kind of numbers are we talking about?
edit: nevermind, looks like this has been happening since April. I must have just forgotten.
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Cunth
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The doctors themselves? This is just some guy on twitter bro
Chittagong
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What happened to this forum
We disagree about the severity of the virus. Some of us think that it seems like a potentially pretty dangerous virus with all the blood clotting symptoms and all. Others think the danger is massively overplayed for political and financial reasons. Then we debate freely.
Truly a trashfire of freethinkers
Dr.Guru of Peru
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Depends on the hospital, but in most hospitals things like high flow oxygen, bipap, continuous renal replacement therapy, vasopressors can only be provided in the ICU.
Dr.Guru of Peru
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Good idea. From now on I’ll address each race individually in all of my posts.
Yeah I am for masks, but it’s all political, in the beginning they kept saying masks didn’t help, instead of we don’t have enough. Its pride. I wear them in Germany .
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Not only that but the needed specialized care, turning, monitoring ... there are not enough icu workers in the world.
Dr.Guru of Peru
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For sure.
Master Of Illusion
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Chittagong
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Coronavirus may not have originated in China after all - Oxford expert
Coronavirus may not have originated in China after all, but was instead lying dormant in different parts of the world until environmental conditions allowed for its emergence, an expert has suggested.
www.standard.co.uk
The call is coming from inside the house
BadBurger
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Lots of doctors aren't saying different things. They're unified because viral outbreaks aren't new, and they're seeing the same things in this pandemic all over the globe. This is just one example.
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Nymphae
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Coronavirus may not have originated in China after all - Oxford expert
Coronavirus may not have originated in China after all, but was instead lying dormant in different parts of the world until environmental conditions allowed for its emergence, an expert has suggested.
The call is coming from inside the house
Probably weren't wearing their masks
cryptoadam
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Coronavirus may not have originated in China after all - Oxford expert
Coronavirus may not have originated in China after all, but was instead lying dormant in different parts of the world until environmental conditions allowed for its emergence, an expert has suggested.
The call is coming from inside the house
Interesting that he says high probability that there is fecal transmission. Someone posted something a few days ago about someone saying its spread through shit like Hep A.
BadBurger
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I hope this article isn't true. If so, it means the Trump admin is determined to do nothing even as our country is being rampaged by the virus while most others got it under control:
www.nbcnews.com
These four paragraphs, from a long article, sums up the Trump admin response that has left so many dead:
'We need to live with it': White House readies new message for the nation on coronavirus
The effort to craft a clearer response comes after months of Trump downplaying the health crisis and mixed signals from the administration.
www.nbcnews.com
These four paragraphs, from a long article, sums up the Trump admin response that has left so many dead:
DunDunDunpachi
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Total deaths are going down. I don't foresee another Black Friday-ing of our medical system again.
Total number of cases are still being bandied about as if the number ever mattered and the same people are falling for it again and again.
Total number of cases are still being bandied about as if the number ever mattered and the same people are falling for it again and again.
prag16
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Came across this from May. Guess it got buried along with everything else that doesn't feed the narrative. But it's more I indication that this is a poop virus. Isolated from sewage, but unable to culture it from respiratory aerosols.
www.cidrap.umn.edu
Scientists isolate live COVID-19 virus from feces, detect RNA on surfaces
Insane Metal
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WHERE IS THE VACCINE
PLEASE GOD HELP US
PLEASE GOD HELP US
bRacing
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Sucks, but when you elect morons, you can't expect anything but a moronic response to problems. On the plus side, these screwups are going to cost them the House, Senate and White House. Always look on the bright side, I guess.I hope this article isn't true. If so, it means the Trump admin is determined to do nothing even as our country is being rampaged by the virus while most others got it under control:
'We need to live with it': White House readies new message for the nation on coronavirus
The effort to craft a clearer response comes after months of Trump downplaying the health crisis and mixed signals from the administration.
These four paragraphs, from a long article, sums up the Trump admin response that has left so many dead:
prag16
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There's also this:Came across this from May. Guess it got buried along with everything else that doesn't feed the narrative. But it's more I indication that this is a poop virus. Isolated from sewage, but unable to culture it from respiratory aerosols.
Scientists isolate live COVID-19 virus from feces, detect RNA on surfaces
239 Experts With One Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne (Published 2020)
The W.H.O. has resisted mounting evidence that viral particles floating indoors are infectious, some scientists say. The agency maintains the research is still inconclusive.
When you combine the two, you get to an interesting place.
They can't admit it's airborne if scientists have failed to culture it from respiratory droplets, right? But if it's airborne and potentially not coming respiratory aerosols (if somebody has a study where it COULD be cultured from respiratory aerosols I'm interested in seeing it).... then where's it coming from?
I think they've hidden the truth about the dreaded COVID toilet clouds long enough. Time to bring it into the light. Mandate full coverage toilet seats in all bathrooms today. Perhaps the cases of 20 people getting it at a choir practice actually were caused by the group sharing refreshments during a break, refreshments which had at some point been engulfed partially or completely in a COVID toilet cloud. And if the toilet cloud theory is correct, it means masks would do next to nothing barring MAYBE N95.
This alleged letter isn't available yet so we don't know yet if they discuss fecal toilet cloud aerosols, but we'll supposedly find out some time this week when it's released.
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diffusionx
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I hope this article isn't true. If so, it means the Trump admin is determined to do nothing even as our country is being rampaged by the virus while most others got it under control:
'We need to live with it': White House readies new message for the nation on coronavirus
The effort to craft a clearer response comes after months of Trump downplaying the health crisis and mixed signals from the administration.
These four paragraphs, from a long article, sums up the Trump admin response that has left so many dead:
Most others "got it under control" for the moment, but it's not permanent. Australia is dealing with a flare up now after declaring victory not that long ago.
This is inevitable. "We have to learn to live with it" is the only proper response. It's a virus, and it's not going anywhere, and it will come and go, just like the flu. It's possible we will never get a vaccine, and this is just how it is going forward. This is what we should have been saying months ago - in fact, some did, even the lockdown maniacs like Cuomo, until hysteria took over.
Came across this from May. Guess it got buried along with everything else that doesn't feed the narrative. But it's more I indication that this is a poop virus. Isolated from sewage, but unable to culture it from respiratory aerosols.
Scientists isolate live COVID-19 virus from feces, detect RNA on surfaces
I dunno - I remember reading about a Chinese study where they analyzed who in a restaurant got the rona, and it turned out to be from an infected person who was upwind from an AC unit. I guess it's theoretically possible that the people did in fact catch it from the toilet seat or some poop miasma but I dunno. I think that one study is a big driver in this whole mask business and indoor dining restriction, and of course, the study could be wrong. And it would be fantastic if this is why as we can get rid of these damned masks.
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BadBurger
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"We have to learn with it" is one thing, that's a line of thought, but not one that should be taken seriously by a government who never tried to wrestle it under control. When your cases continue to rise, no, this isn't something a country can just "learn to live with". We can't even travel to some countries now. That should tell you a lot.
And please don't get rid of masks. Please never think that. People mutually wearing masks prevent the spread from one or another by a large percentage. It is this kind of thinking, that masks can be discarded while the epidemic continues, that insures the US remains in a raging epidemic while other countries are not.
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DeepBreath87
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Learning to live with it doesn’t mean getting rid of masks. Quite the opposite actually. Learning to live with it means adapting to reality without panicking like a child. It’s a manageable disease for the vast, vast majority of people. Learning to live with it is putting it in its proper context.
diffusionx
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No, that's exactly how governments should be acting. This idea that we need to lock ourselves in our homes until we have zero cases of a damn virus is absolutely insane. The lockdown was the stupidest thing I've ever seen governments do, especially while they sent sick people to places full of those who cannot fight it off. But for most, this is a virus that the vast majority of working people can recover from without issue. And that is why we are seeing case counts rise and death counts drop.
Right now, the effectiveness of masks is purely theoretical. Read the articles and they say, "well, it probably cuts down on transmission, and they're cheap and ubiquitous, so why not?". I think people can accept that, for the time being. But obviously, if they are proven to be ineffective, and it is transmitted from poop miasma or something else, then there's no point in wearing them.
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BadBurger
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And putting it in its proper context is wearing a mask and practicing social distancing and controlled reopening ...... which is working in real time for other countries and has in the past (this isn't the world's first pandemic). We have observed these things before and are observing these now. You're like "hey abide by reality" but then ask us to do the opposite.
I don't even know what else to say.
Edit: "Right now, the effectiveness of masks is purely theoretical " no. Man, not at all. It is not theoretical, this is basic demonstrable science. It is frightening that anyone thinks this as you do.
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Great reading al the arguments like it’s January again , I wish you all the best of luck concurring this virus , you are going to need it.
don’t be foolish follow the simple rules , social distance, wear a mask when needed, wash your hands more often. And if snotty or sick get tested and stay home. It’s not that hard.
don’t be foolish follow the simple rules , social distance, wear a mask when needed, wash your hands more often. And if snotty or sick get tested and stay home. It’s not that hard.
diffusionx
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Oh no, I might get a cough and a fever for a few days, better destroy society
Oh wait I actually did get a cough and a fever for a few days, in February, and I'm still alive.
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DeepBreath87
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See you think we’re disagreeing, but we’re not. You’re just so desperate to argue. You think “learning to live with it” means let’s all go clubbing, every man for himself. Learning to live with it means putting the disease in its proper place, which is somewhere much different from the way we were acting 2 months ago.
General precautions are good. Keeping the right people safe is good. Getting low risk people to be careful, especially around vulnerable people is good.
Pissing our collective selves over this disease like it’s the Black Plague or smallpox is stupid.
bRacing
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Is the proper context "It will simply disappear one day"?
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Having lived in Japan, the effectiveness of masks is clear to me, so I'm all for them indoors, but the WHO and CDC really fucked up when they recommended against their use earlier on in this pandemic. Coming out against them when they should have known better as experts (and as you say, this isn't the world's first pandemic) and reversing course later is a huge cause of the distrust we're seeing.
It isn't that hard, and a lot of people were doing their best to follow them. I think the BLM protests just made everyone who had been shut in for months collectively say, "fuck this." The hypocrisy we saw from our media and politicians in regards to those specific protests I think was very hard to process for a lot of people.
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prag16
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Yeah I wouldn't go so far as to say it is PURELY theoretical. They'll block respiratory droplets. But evidence that masks are a huge game changer specifically for THIS VIRUS from what I've seen is more just assumed than empirically proven on a grand scale (but feel free to drop some study links that you feel are smoking guns; I'm always looking to read more about it) which is why I think the poop theory still can't be ruled out. I'm still confused why we were hearing about sewage testing etc yielding meaningful information in various places back in March/April, but almost nothing since then.
SARS and MERS more or less did. So maybe.
DeepBreath87
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Jesus who gives a shit. It’s importance will certain decrease significantly. You’re hinging so much on what Trump says or doesn’t say. He’s the President, so I get it I guess, but this idea that I’m supposed to give a shit about what any President says about every little thing is so dumb. He doesn’t know anything about infectious diseases. He talks out his ass half the time. Who doesn’t know that after 4 years?
Then again I don’t see how electing an Alzheimer’s patient alleviates that problem.
Partly true , but you all have minds and can think and judge what is save.
but I agree , your government is not really giving the best example.
Ar¢tos
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Rna vaccines have been used safely and successfully in animals for some time now.Elegant but unproven, RNA experiments leap to the front in coronavirus vaccine race. Will they work?
MSN
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Humans are still mammals, it shouldn't be any different.
Just because RNA vaccines are new, there is no need for tin foil hats. Dead virus vaccines were once the new thing too and the reactions back then were the same.
I don't think anyone expects a single vaccine to be enough and offer full protection, very likely it will require a combo of 2 or more different vaccines, a RNA/subunit vaccine followed a few months later by an attenuated/active virus vaccine in order the achieve the max production of antibodies.
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Actually, a lot of people do. "Until there's a vaccine." "We have to wait for a vaccine." "Just do this until we have a vaccine." "WHERE'S THE VACCINE?!" You see comments like this everywhere. You see them in the policies drafted by governments. You see them in the statements HR departments are putting out.
I fear to see what the next goal posts will be and what the reaction to them will be when it becomes clear a single vaccine will not be a silver bullet and we're actually going to have to learn to live with this thing.
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