WW was a joy to see and play, TP is my most hated Zelda game.
of course it was... Twilight Princes is just a OoT rehash with shitty graphics
Yep. I understand that many find Wind Waker to be the more charming game. I do the same. But as a game there is no comparison with regard to the gameplay, especially the dungeons. Wind Waker has some of the weakest dungeons, Twilight Princess some of the best in the Zelda franchise.The Wind Waker was the worst 3D Zelda by a country mile before Skyward Sword. It's very poor in pretty much every aspects that constitute the traditional Zelda experience. It has weak dungeons, terrible items, forgettable bosses and the overworld is a clusterfuck. To this day I have no idea how anyone can argue sailing for 5 minutes in a large swath of blue emptiness only to find a poststamp sized track of land with some bullshit seagull puzzle as a reward is satisfying exploration. The boat combat is also the absolute pits and before the HD remake traversal was a pain due to how slow it was and how tedious changing the wind direction became after an hour or so. TWW is also a blatantly unfinished game with the worst fetchquest in any Nintendo game and a giant waste of potential with sunken Hyrule. Yes it has charming presentation but that's about it, all style and zero substance.
Twilight Princess lacks originality for sure but in comparison it has incredible dungeons, much more memorable characters (Midna is still the best NPC in the series) and bosses, fantastic items and a great combat system which should have been used as the basis for the series going forward. Pacing wise it's also brilliant with very little filler outside of the bug collecting in the first part of the adventure, and moving across the world is much more fun thanks to Epona or Wolf Link's movements being far more enjoyable than the boat's shitty handling, the teleport system is also much better. It's one of my favorite Zeldas and an unfairly maligned game.
Groan what a shit take. People say that haven't played it and only looked at gameplay vids and said " look you ride a horse in both... Similar!"of course it was... Twilight Princes is just a OoT rehash with shitty graphics
Definitely i dont know it feels like twilight princess just lost the zelda charm if you ask me, out of all the 3d zeldas i do feel its definitely the weakest one, only criticism i have lf wind waker was collecting like 100 triforce pieces on the gamecube but the wii u version fixed this, did like the repetitiveness of collecting the bugs as a wolf so that you can transform into a human plus the only memorable dungeon i remember from TP was in gerudo desertThis year is the 35th anniversary of The Legend of Zelda, and although Nintendo is ignoring the anniversary I've been going back and playing the NES, SNES, N64 and GCN Zeldas (ok, and I played Minish Cap the other night too). I actually think that Wind Waker, in the end, was the better GameCube Zelda than Twilight Princess.
After 20 years a lot of the vitriol might have subsided, but when the game was originally released people revolted against it. At the time, Nintendo fans were really trying to fight back against the "Nintendo is kiddie" image, and Nintendo wasn't helping things much with a purple console that had a handle and then a cartoony Zelda.
It also didn't help that Nintendo initially showed THIS Zelda at Spaceworld 2000:
Only to give people THIS Zelda at Spaceworld 2001:
The demand for a "mature" Zelda spawned memes. When IGN learned of the "mature" Zelda being revealed at E3, they staged the photo that became the "reaction guys" meme. People rejoiced, and Miyamoto won E3 just by swinging around the Master Sword on stage. But in the end, I think Twilight Princess was a more disappointing Zelda compared to what was done with Wind Waker. It feels like Nintendo really trying too hard to win over those people who demanded a dark and "mature" Zelda, but it lacks the fun (and even innovation) that Wind Waker had.
Wind Waker has also aged MUCH better. Its cell-shaded graphics have been more kind to it than Twilight Princess's darker and more realistic take. And I feel the sailing/wind mechanics was something more interesting than the Wolf Link stuff in Twilight Princess (I also don't think Okami helped things much as it was released in the same year as Twilight Princess).
I'm NOT saying Twilight Princess is a bad Zelda game, I just think the years have been much kinder to Wind Waker than its original reception and after twenty years it feels like the better of the two Zelda games Nintendo released that generation.