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Let's Talk About Sony's Timed Exclusives and Lack of Disclosures
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Sorry, but this seems like complete nonsense to me "*console name* exclusive" has always been understood as exclusive to that platform. What you're describing is known as console exclusive, meaning it's exclusive to that particular console on the console market, which is also a phrasing Sony uses.
it doesn't make sense that they'd jump around between using console exclusive and Playstation 4 exclusive while meaning the same thing.
I remember Diablo 3 ended up being a weird messaging release.
For No Man Sky (which may never come to XB1), Sean Murray did say this in a interview when asked about it.
For No Man Sky (which may never come to XB1), Sean Murray did say this in a interview when asked about it.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tech/gaming/537409/No-Mans-Sky-Xbox-One-release-steam-pc-PS4
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
This thread is quite ridiculous.
Final Fantasy X-X2, for example.
What a persistent printing mistake that has been acompanying the game for more than a year since its western reveal at PSX 2015, on many promotional materials, trailers and even NA and EU printing.
It is even present on the official site.
http://yakuza.sega.com/yakuza0/purchase.html
Well, at least all those people asking for proof will have to change their excuses now.
No one's saying they should or expecting them to get up on stage and announce a game is coming for PS4 and PC. It's to do with them paying publishers/devs so that they themselves aren't allowed to announce or talk about a PC/Xbox/Nintendo version of the game. It's scummy, doesn't matter which company does it.
plasmawave
Banned
Sean is asked about the Xbox version not the PC version.
The Artisan
Member
that's a good point, I looked on wikipedia and it indeed looks like the reamstered version released on PC
i don't know why they never chose to fix it but it is weird. the original version still says only on playstationWhat a persistent printing mistake that has been acompanying the game for more than a year since its western reveal at PSX 2015, on many promotional materials, trailers and even NA and EU printing.
It is even present on the official site.
http://yakuza.sega.com/yakuza0/purchase.html
Still it is proof that Sony has at least once forbid someone talk about a version of the game of another platform.
And to be fair, the actual box of the game doesn't have that logo, only the special edition cover box has it.
https://youtu.be/9-iRlLisoTs
Equanimity
Member
The press release clearly mentions Ni No Kuni 2 in development for the PS4 system. And it only further proves my point that it might have been put forward as an exclusive to Sony in 2015.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/press...DVENTURE_IN_NI_NO_KUNI_II_REVENANTKINGDOM.php
If it's a timed PlayStation exclusive than I don't see why anyone would classify that as lying.
How do you know this?
Atelier Sophie and Nights of Azure just ~2 weeks ago.
The Yakuza situation is pretty silly however, regardless of what labels it does or doesn't use. Sure, there's always the possibilty that it's coming down the line, but this is SEGA. They're probably the single worst publisher when it comes to japanese console games to PC efforts nowadays, with Square Enix just a little behind, so expecting anything from them on that front is probably a fruitless endeavour.
travisbickle
Member
People thought MS had bought the rights to Tomb Raider, that's why everyone kicked up a fuss.
The other games just aren't as popular, and PC doesn't pay for 3rd party advertising costs so they're never going to get on stage announcements.
The other games just aren't as popular, and PC doesn't pay for 3rd party advertising costs so they're never going to get on stage announcements.
Equanimity
Member
Final Fantasy X-X2, for example.
What a persistent printing mistake that has been acompanying the game for more than a year since its western reveal at PSX 2015, on many promotional materials, trailers and even NA and EU printing.
It is even present on the official site.
http://yakuza.sega.com/yakuza0/purchase.html
Art not final.
The Artisan
Member
just checked wikipedia, that first one does say only on playstation so yup, that's sony fuckin up right there.
Yakuza has been exclusive to playstation for a very long time, I really don't know what to say about whether or not it stays that way
plasmawave
Banned
A version of the game that does not exist (for now).
We are talking about a PC version of Nier (which does exist) that is "supposedly" being banned by Sony from commenting on it.
InsaneTiger
Member
jmga's axe must be really sharp at this point.
Dang man, let it go.
Dang man, let it go.
As far as we know, it has never been a timed exclusive, even the most recent leaked trailer from a few days ago says the same release date as the PS4 version.
The only words about a delay are from a couple of days ago.
And also, deliberately omitting the word timed when talking about exclusives is lying.
The Artisan
Member
it is though. we have all copies of the game, myself included and it says console exclusive.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Which is funny considering that its been mentioned repeatedly by various SE employees over the last 7 months, but they just haven't been willing/able to commit to a firm release date.
Seems like publishing indecision more than a Sony-mandated gag order.
InsaneTiger
Member
Sony is under no obligation to say PC or timed. Call it whatever you want, they don't care.
Nocturno999
Member
This and more keeps getting ignored from the gaming media from Sony. Nothing new.
Well, they should, it is false advertisement selling something as exclusive if it isn't.
And we are not even talking about timed exclusives here.
Ni no Kuni 2 is releasing the same date as PS4.
Nier was planned to release the same date as the leaked trailer shows, if a delay is happening, it has been planned recently.
I agree. Huge outcry over RotTR's timed exclusive. Complaints about how MS money hatted an exclusive blah blah blah, how its poisonous for the industry.
Sony announces they bank rolled SFV, and it is to remain a full exclusive. HYPE.
RotTR releases finally, and a lot of the response was, "meh, guess Ill try it out", some of that mindset having to do with bitterness over the timed exclusive (other reasons having to do with the fact that the console already has UC4).
Though I have turned into a pretty big Sony fan this gen, and sold my XB1 for a Pro last week, I find Sony fans absolutely infuriating.
Sony announces they bank rolled SFV, and it is to remain a full exclusive. HYPE.
RotTR releases finally, and a lot of the response was, "meh, guess Ill try it out", some of that mindset having to do with bitterness over the timed exclusive (other reasons having to do with the fact that the console already has UC4).
Though I have turned into a pretty big Sony fan this gen, and sold my XB1 for a Pro last week, I find Sony fans absolutely infuriating.
graywolf323
Member
you're kidding right? the conspiracy theories being tossed around in here are just insane
So you won't even consider the possibility that the trailer with the PC release date was pulled because the PC port isn't ready. It has to be the result of Sony forcing them to pull it with a wheelbarrow full of money. Cool.
So if that is true, and Sony is pouring money into shenanigans for a game that won't even move the needle compared to their upcoming exclusives like Horizon and God of War, how does that actually lose SE money in the long run? People don't buy it on PC because they bought it on PS? Still sales for SE. People don't have PS and buy it when it releases on PC? Still sales for SE.
How are they losing sales here?
Heckler456
Banned
I don't understand what the issue is? I don't think Sony needs to be advertising other platforms. I don't even think they should HAVE to talk about any other platform but their won. It's up to the consumer to find out what their options are, and to exercise patience if they're really adamant about playing Crash/Nioh/... on PC/Xbox One.
Besides, the cases in which we never got to know whether or not a game will release x amount of time after it releases on whatever platform have to be pretty damn sparse, right?
And before you ask, the people who complained about RotTR were wrong too. We'll probably never know the details, but I'm willing to bet that we wouldn't have gotten the game we ended up getting if it wasn't for Microsoft's intervention, if we would have gotten it at all. And even I, as a person who only owns a PS4, got to benefit from that.
Besides, the cases in which we never got to know whether or not a game will release x amount of time after it releases on whatever platform have to be pretty damn sparse, right?
And before you ask, the people who complained about RotTR were wrong too. We'll probably never know the details, but I'm willing to bet that we wouldn't have gotten the game we ended up getting if it wasn't for Microsoft's intervention, if we would have gotten it at all. And even I, as a person who only owns a PS4, got to benefit from that.
Simon-chan
Member
So let me get this straight:
- Yakuza 0 was originally "Only on Playstation" in Japan/Asia. Later the label was removed;
- in North America it's "Console Exclusive";
- in Europe it's "Only on Playstation".
What the actual fuck.
- Yakuza 0 was originally "Only on Playstation" in Japan/Asia. Later the label was removed;
- in North America it's "Console Exclusive";
- in Europe it's "Only on Playstation".
What the actual fuck.
PC sales give them a bigger margin than console sales. Intentionally keeping PC off the marketing costs them sales.
Also, will you admit you are wrong when the game inevitably releases in the leaked date?
Yet another one that can't read the thread. Amazing.
dancrane212
Member
It's the timed announcements that bother me more than anything. It's not that big a deal all things considered but I wish the press would actually push a bit when things like Ace Combat 7 are announced for one platform, without exclusive branding, to try and capture mind-share before the rest of launch devices are announced.
The Artisan
Member
they moneyhatting of rotr bothered me because of their reasons behind it, they wanted an answer to Uc4, but rotr was gonna come to Xbone regardless, mS just paid for the game to not be on Ps4 for a year.
if they moneyhatted Mass Effect 4 that wouldn't bother me tbh because that's a franchise that originated on xbox
SE sucks at PC ports, they're probably not sure if it is going to be ready in time to release with the console version. Or, yaknow, cruel master Sony is holding defenseless SE down with a pile of money.
One of those two.
But MS DID say something. They said exclusive to Xbox holiday 2015. They created a PR line to blur reality, when they could have said nothing, or simply dropped the word "exclusive" or added the word "first" as Sony has done in the past.
Equanimity
Member
Nier was first announced as a PS4 title and later confirmed for PC. The last press release mentions the PS4 release date and a release year for PC, afaik. If that isn't a timed-exclusive partnership, especially if the wait for a PC release is more than a month than I don't know what is.
I could be wrong, and it might release on the 10th as the deleted trailer suggests.
Sony clearly resorted to a half-truth.
The image jmga linked says the art is not final. I was just pointing that out.
Neither is Microsoft. Yet people (rightfully so) get on them against the shitty communication around Rise of the Tomb Raider.
That trailer was rendered after the PS4 only version.
And they're losing sales because no one is going to know this game even exists on Steam the way they're handling it, and visibility is of huge importance on Steam with the truckload of games releasing all the time.
Just some things to consider.
Playstation is known for a wide range of exclusives from all corners of the world since PS1 days. It's really not a surprise that games like Yakuza, Nier, or Nioh are not on their platform or console of choice. There is a REASON why it's like that. Sega is not trying to lose money porting Yakuza to xbox.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I don't get the premise.
"Let me tell you my game is coming out on other platforms so there is less chance you invest into mine"
What business sense does this make?
"Let me tell you my game is coming out on other platforms so there is less chance you invest into mine"
What business sense does this make?
Well you should tell that Sony if that was the case it woukd ve reasonable to expecting BB, R&C, Horizon on PC anytime now but we all know that is not that case.
In a conference where Sony use the same name to clarify their first party exclusive games that doesn't make sense. PS4 exclusive is a very clear statement.
"PlayStation exclusive" is fine whilst not as clear as console exclusive it means the same thing as it's a reference to the ecosystem.
Wasnt that sfv deal similar to the titanfall deal
Heckler456
Banned
Calm down there, cowboy. I was still writing my post.
Oh so you're trying to make this a when is a sale not a sale argument. LOL.
Margins vary by storefront, region, and distribution channel. You have no idea what SE's margins are and are just pulling this out of your ass, all to justify your belief that Sony forced SE to pull a trailer when the much more believable option is that SE fucked up the trailer in the first place.
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