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Intel's next-gen Arrow Lake-S CPUs target 5% single-thread and 15% multi-thread performance gain, leaked slide suggests - VideoCardz.com

Intel Arrow Lake-S lists a 5% increase in ST and 15% in MT performance We received a tip that led us to an older discussion thread on the AnandTech forums. In this thread, a member known as uzzi38 shared a slide from Intel. The slide, while not revealing much new information, was intentionally...

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To provide some context, Intel Arrow Lake-S is the next-generation desktop CPU platform that will make use of a new LGA-1851 socket. Due to the cancellation of Meteor Lake-S, Intel will not be introducing new Z890 and other 800 series chipsets this year. In response to this, Intel’s board partners are now introducing a refreshed Z790 motherboard series with support for the Wi-Fi7 standard.

Arrow Lake-S is not expected to hit the market until the second half of 2024, but it appears that the internal performance goals have already been established. According to the slide, the Arrow Lake-S architecture is projected to deliver a 5% improvement in single-threaded workloads and an average of 15% improvement in multi-threaded applications.

These numbers may ring a bell as they were previously shared by Igor’sLAB in July of this year, with some additional details. The next-generation desktop and mobile platforms will feature a new microarchitecture, known as Lion Cove for Performance Cores and Skymont for Efficient Cores. These new series will also make use of the Intel 20A process node and incorporate the Xe-LPG architecture based on Alchemist. While the CPU architectures may not lead to a major performance boost, the GPUs are expected to be at least twice as fast as the Xe-LP architecture used in Alder/Raptor Lake CPUs.

Only a 5% improvement to IPC is not a great look for a new generation of CPUs.
I was expecting quite a bit more.

 

[Tsaki]

It's not even 5% increase in IPC, it's for Single-Thread overall, so that number includes clock speed improvements as well. Also, using Intel 20A? I'd like to see it to believe it, after all the consecutive foundry failings.

 

[kikkis]

After making 30+ years of fast cpus, they must have finally figured out how to make them as fast as possible.

 

[Silver Wattle]

5% ST just means a 5% clock increase.

 

[Sanepar]

If this is true i will await one more gen.

 

[winjer]

5% ST just means a 5% clock increase.

Could be.
Although, Intel is already pushing clocks as high as they can.
So it might really be 5% IPC improvement.

 

[LordBlodgett]

Intel has been stuck in a holding pattern for years now. Not sure how they bring back the Intel of old where they were constantly crushing their opponents chips each iteration. That period of late 2000's to mid 2010's when AMD was putting out garbage really made them complacent and they still haven't recovered

 

[winjer]

Intel has been stuck in a holding pattern for years now. Not sure how they bring back the Intel of old where they were constantly crushing their opponents chips each iteration. That period of late 2000's to mid 2010's when AMD was putting out garbage really made them complacent and they still haven't recovered

You are probably misremembering. But that period only started in 2006, after the release of the Core 2 Duo.
The Athlon and Athlon 64 were better than the Pentium 3 and Pentium 4.

 

[LordBlodgett]

You are probably misremembering. But that period only started in 2006, after the release of the Core 2 Duo.
The Athlon and Athlon 64 were better than the Pentium 3 and Pentium 4.

That is pretty much what I meant, but I probably wasn't detailed enough. From 2006 Intel began crushing AMD with one of their strongest products in a long time, and then AMD released the Bulldozer architecture in 2011 which was total shit and they lost all ability to challenge Intel. During that period of Intel dominance Intel somehow became complacent. Since 2017-2018 they haven't been able to get their spark back. They are just treading water. Even in the server market which they used to dominate they have lost significant ground and cannot seem to break out anymore.

 

[winjer]

That is pretty much what I meant, but I probably wasn't detailed enough. From 2006 Intel began crushing AMD with one of their strongest products in a long time, and then AMD released the Bulldozer architecture in 2011 which was total shit and they lost all ability to challenge Intel. During that period of Intel dominance Intel somehow became complacent. Since 2017-2018 they haven't been able to get their spark back. They are just treading water. Even in the server market which they used to dominate they have lost significant ground and cannot seem to break out anymore.

What happened was people like Brian Krzanich. A guy that cut Intel R&D to single digit percentages.
So of course that AMD, Apple, TSMC and others caught up. Some even surpassed Intel.

https://www.axios.com/2021/10/18/pat-gelsinger-blame-intels-manufacturing-woes

 

[LordBlodgett]

What happened was people like Brian Krzanich. A guy that cut Intel R&D to single digit percentages.
So of course that AMD, Apple, TSMC and others caught up. Some even surpassed Intel.

https://www.axios.com/2021/10/18/pat-gelsinger-blame-intels-manufacturing-woes

Yep, if you aren't growing you are dying. I truly believe that, but unfortunately it pays better for most CEO's to sacrifice the future of their company to juice the stock today.....

 

[winjer]

Yep, if you aren't growing you are dying. I truly believe that, but unfortunately it pays better for most CEO's to sacrifice the future of their company to juice the stock today.....

Some companies don't require much in terms of R&D.
For example, a company like Coca Cola, it's a lot more important a good marketing campaign, than innovation.
It's just a soft drink, and people just want the same thing year after year. People might even protest against anything new, like what happened with the New Coke.
But on a tech company, innovation is paramount.
Someone like Brian Krzanich, should have never been allowed to run Intel.

 

[Leonidas]

It's not even 5% increase in IPC, it's for Single-Thread overall, so that number includes clock speed improvements as well.

There's most likely a decrease in clocks vs. the 6.0 GHz of Raptor Lake.

IPC improvements will most likely be higher than 5-15%.

 

[Schnauzer]

The 7950x3d has been extremely dissapointing. It's my own fault. I bought ingot the hype and almost all the games I play perform better on the 7800x3d and i13900k. I was ready to go back to Intel; however; now, I will wait and see what AMD provides.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

the pentium 5 targeted 7ghz+.
getting close to that now.

wouldnt be surprised if intel goes back to a big daddy core at ~10ghz and then throws some cores around it.

 

[Bojji]

The 7950x3d has been extremely dissapointing. It's my own fault. I bought ingot the hype and almost all the games I play perform better on the 7800x3d and i13900k. I was ready to go back to Intel; however; now, I will wait and see what AMD provides.

Can't you disable non 3d cache cores and turn this cpu into 7800x3d?

 

[Eotheod]

Can't you disable non 3d cache cores and turn this cpu into 7800x3d?

Yes. Also that person should not have bought into the hype, it's a stupid lost battle. It was clear the 7950X3D was aimed at high-end computing and rendering.

 

[XesqueVara]

AMD margins are gonna be outrageous if that shit is true holy fuck, 5% is a tick.

 

[Kenpachii]

5% is nothing.

 

[Silver Wattle]

Could be.
Although, Intel is already pushing clocks as high as they can.
So it might really be 5% IPC improvement.

There's most likely a decrease in clocks vs. the 6.0 GHz of Raptor Lake.

IPC improvements will most likely be higher than 5-15%.

If it was an IPC increase, they would say IPC increase.
They say ST because the IPC is virtually unchanged.

 

[Leonidas]

If it was an IPC increase, they would say IPC increase.
They say ST because the IPC is virtually unchanged.

If you believe Intel will get 5% or less IPC on a new architecture, I've got a bridge on Mars to sell you.

 

[OverHeat]

The 7950x3d has been extremely dissapointing. It's my own fault. I bought ingot the hype and almost all the games I play perform better on the 7800x3d and i13900k. I was ready to go back to Intel; however; now, I will wait and see what AMD provides.

I’m in a different boat the 7950x3d as been a great general and gaming cpu for me