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[BootsLoader]

Before you start the "oh my God another thread", I would like to tell everyone that I want to discuss, not open wars between games, consoles, etc.
This is pure curiosity and discussion here.

So, first of all, I have not played Cyberpunk or Starfield. I have watched many videos about those games. Graphic analysis, tech analysis, gameplay analysis, meme videos and more. I have started playing video games in 1994 so I have some "experience" in gaming and I think that I understand a thing or two when I watch a video about a game.

Please note that I have played Witcher 3 from CDPR and Skyrim from Bethesda.

So all these days (after Starfield released), I am getting the sense that it is like Skyrim but in the future, the way characters talk, behave, walk, even running. I watched many videos that compare Starfield to older games claiming that older games like RDR2 are far better technically, graphically etc. Then I saw this video:



Why the hell Starfield looks so bland and un inspired. It is like they were bored when making this game. Is Cyberpunk 2077 better than Starfield?

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Yes

 

[Dzab]

Yeah

 

[StereoVsn]

Cyberpunk isn’t much of an RPG anymore but it’s a pretty good action adventure game.

 

[winjer]

 

[Flabagast]

With no doubt yeah.

Starfield does certain things better, but Cyberpunk simply feels a gen ahead of Starfield in many key departments

Also OP you need a pool

 

[Topher]

Yes......you need a poll.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Absolutely yes.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Starfield isn't even better than the 2020 version of Cyberpunk.

 

[BootsLoader]

Yes......you need a poll.

I thought of adding a pole but then...didn't want to be linear.

 

[DonJorginho]

I loved my time with Starfield, but even 2020 Cyberpunk on the PS5 via back compat was better.

 

[The Cockatrice]

A million time fucking yes. Starfield is worse than Fallout 4 my guy and thats not a high standard to surpass.

 

[Nitty_Grimes]

100% yes.

 

[FunkMiller]

Definitely Yes.

 

[ClosBSAS]

lol not too many games are better than cyberpunk now, expansion is legit good a solid 9 out of 10. path tracing graphics are just a bonus.

 

[BootsLoader]

It is very strange to me that Bethesda, a critically acclaimed studio did so bad with their latest release under Microsoft.

 

[BigLee74]

Played both, both are great fun. Cyberpunk definitely looks better, but Starfield has ships and planets.

What I will say is that when I’m at work, I’m wishing I was home playing Starfield. Never had the feeling with Cyberpunk when I played through that.

 

[acm2000]

they are very different games but Cyberpunk was my GOTY on release (PC) but its not an RPG, its a Solo FPS.

Starfield is great and probably the most ive been into a game in 2023 but it has no real comparison to Cyberpunk outside of being able to shoot guns.

It is very strange to me that Bethesda, a critically acclaimed studio did so bad with their latest release under Microsoft.

"so bad" get over yourself

 

[GymWolf]

For most things, yeah.

Scope and number of quests and SOME indoors locations are probably on starfield side.

Gunplay is pretty close but CP has gore and it rely less on precanned death animations so it edges a win (also way cooler melee weapons).

 

[MadchesterManc]

Nah, you can fill a room with loo roll on Starfield. Can't get anymore next gen than that

 

[damidu]

from the moment you interact with an npc, you have your answer.

the way a conversation flows, animates is at least 2 generations apart.

bethesda thinks they are in a vacuum, and releasing the same game once every decade would be enough, while the industry keeps leapfrogging them.

they’ll be getting even more bitter receptions in the future, if they don’t do a comprehensive overhaul to their whole development process.
sure they have a console warrior defence force now, which might do bulk of the damage control for them. but im not sure even they’ll be onboard for “skyrim in wherever ” in 2030s

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Eh, two different types of experiences for me with additional, hard-to-compare layers for each.

 

[Chukhopops]

It's crazy to me how people forgot how broken CP was at launch, and how everyone was making glitch compilations with the naked T-posing, the cops and all the other broken AI stuff. Starfield launched in a much better state comparatively.

Btw the video doesn't even show original CP but the expansion instead, that is considered vastly better after three years of patches.

 

[nowhat]

Cyberpunk isn’t much of an RPG anymore but it’s a pretty good action adventure game.

This (and that the game would crash like every 30mins) is why I was so disappointed with it at launch. Your choices really don't matter that much, even what endings are available are a matter of what side content you've completed.

But knowing that, I've much more enjoyed my time with 2.0/Phantom Liberty. As an action adventure it's pretty great.

 

[M1chl]

yes and who say it isn't is fucking insane

 

[MagiusNecros]

Starfield doesn't end. You can play it forever and have so much left to do and go on your own adventures.

Cyberpunk does. Story is preset and has a good narrative experience.

Each of those factors is a strength and a weakness to both games.

 

[Ammogeddon]

I’m enjoying Starfield but yeah Cyberpunk is better.

I mean even the president of NUSA had a better arse than the entire population of Starfield.

 

[Reckheim]

It is very strange to me that Bethesda, a critically acclaimed studio did so bad with their latest release under Microsoft.

nothing to do with Microsoft; FO4 didn't fare much better then Starfield in terms of reception.

Bethesda hasn't innovated on their formula in a very long time and it shows.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Haven't completed Cyberpunk yet, but the video you shared, it highlights difference in game design approach from both studios.

In Cyberpunk it's scripted and will play out same each time.

In Starfield it's simulated, NPCs are working based on AI.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Starfield doesn't end.

Ah yes, go on copy pasted Mining Outpost and kill Spacers for 1000 times. A huge "strength" indeed. Dont be ridiculous.

 

[brian0057]

Ah yes, go on copy pasted Mining Outpost and kill Spacers for 1000 times. A huge "strength" indeed. Dont be ridiculous.

It's the Fallout 4 Minutemen settlement missions all over again.

 

[GymWolf]

Haven't completed Cyberpunk yet, but the video you shared, it highlights difference in game design approach from both studios.

In Cyberpunk it's scripted and will play out same each time.

In Starfield it's simulated, NPCs are working based on AI.

Yeah you have to expand on that because i felt that npcs ia and way to handle a mission (stealth, action, hacking etc. or the choices you can make) are better in CB or at the same level at the very least.


Npcs around the levels in Starfield are braindead, they don't have a day\night cycle nor a personal home like old bethesda titles and majority of big chained quest are mostly scripted with maybe one alternative way of doing things.

I really didn't felt much more freedom in starfield compared to cb except the whole exploring space thing.

 

[Nankatsu]

200% yes.

 

[Riky]

Totally different games, there is a lot more depth to Starfield with what you can build and the size of the universe.
Cyberpunk is like a shooter with RPG elements, whilst Starfield is an RPG with some shooting.
As an RPG Starfield is a far superior game.

 

[Topher]

Totally different games, there is a lot more depth to Starfield with what you can build and the size of the universe.
Cyberpunk is like a shooter with RPG elements, whilst Starfield is an RPG with some shooting.
As an RPG Starfield is a far superior game.

How is Starfield more of a RPG than Cyberpunk?

 

[Draugoth]

Started Cyberpunk 2077 recently, in my opinion it's a much better game (now) than Starfield, at least on your first playtrought.

Starfield whomever would be clearly a better gamer compared to the original at launch.

In my overall opinion: Cyberpunk 2077 gives a much stronger gameplay impression and presentation than Starfield. The biggest weakness to Cyberpunk is;

Totally different games, there is a lot more depth to Starfield with what you can build and the size of the universe.
Cyberpunk is like a shooter with RPG elements, whilst Starfield is an RPG with some shooting.
As an RPG Starfield is a far superior game.

Bad excuse. They are both RPGs with focus on exploration and immersion with a loot system and FPS mechanics.

 

[Godot25]

To be fair. Cyberpunk 2077 was in Early Access for 3 years
CDPR just forgot to tell anybody

 

[violence]

Too early to say for me but cyberpunk is better than Neon city. I can see starfield being more replayable

 

[Kacho]

Cyberpunk has better graphics but the actual game does very little for me personally. Im struggling to stick with it on a second play through since I’ve already experienced the story.

 

[LastBattle]

Both are my favourite games so far this gen. Haven’t played Phanton Liberty yet, but will definitely do a second run through Cyberpunk. Still playing Starfield, however what I can say is Starfield lives in my head rent free. I can’t stop thinking about my next adventure while not playing. Both games offer exceptional role playing.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Yeah you have to expand on that because i felt that npcs ia and way to handle a mission (stealth, action, hacking etc. or the choices you can make) are better in CB or at the same level at the very least.


Npcs around the levels in Starfield are braindead, they don't have a day\night cycle nor a personal home like old bethesda titles and majority of big chained quest are mostly scripted with maybe one alternative way of doing things.

I really didn't felt much more freedom in starfield compared to cb except the whole exploring space thing.

Talking about the video specifically.

I haven't finished big questlines in Starfield either (60 hrs in).

But I will be highly surprised if it were scripted in a cinematic way like they are in Cyberpunk.

I am enjoying the game so will play in depth and see if it's an rpg or not.

 

[Slicker than your average]

One of them looks state of the art and runs better than the other . Imagine your game looking like a piece of shit and still running like shit too .

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

How is Starfield more of a RPG than Cyberpunk?

You can put in points to unlock skills that previous games had unlocked by default

Such R, Very P, Much G

 

[anthraticus]

Starfield doesn't end. You can play it forever and have so much left to do and go on your own adventures.

Jesus Christ. Imagine playing this pos FOREVER and EVER

I think suicide might be the preferred option.

 

[Saber]

The thing about Cyberpunk is that is indeed a true vision of the futuristic world. Lot of weird ads, strange people, sex everywhere(reflex on the attractiviness of npcs), etc.
The story for me was a let down once you get to the point of being begging for your life. But before the the story was godlike. Doing dirty work as main story is exactly the strong point of this game.
Rpg elements alongside shooting are very fair, with lot of branchs and different approachs to play the game(melee, shooting, hacking, sneaking, you name it). I love the builth path of netrunner(hacker), its such a fresh way to play the game.

Overall Cyberpunk will have absurdly legs for what they have done. Characters are diverse and have clear flaws and distint personalities. Its just a shame your main buddy and netrunner are out of scene too soon, they have excelent chemistry with you.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

I mean, yeah. With all it's flaws CP2077 is a visual masterpiece fueled by the crazy amount of art, design adn production design work.

Starfield is just boring, lazy and generic in every respect except maybe for guns. (I use my own screenshots for reference)

 

[CoreyFlawless]

How long it took for cyberpunk before the mass enjoy. Let’s give starfield the same, it gonna get more content and changes. Also mods it self. If you want a game you can get lost in for hours. They both great at that.

 

[Gideon]

For me yes, until/if starfield improves the NPC's they're just soulless

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

How long it took for cyberpunk before the mass enjoy. Let’s give starfield the same, it gonna get more content and changes. Also mods it self. If you want a game you can get lost in for hours. They both great at that.

CP2077 was evoking and thought-provoking from day-one. You can't patch the writing, you know.

 

[Sanepar]

Yes by far. Better main plot, better side, better graphics, better gunplay, better AI.