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[gladdys]

Yes, if people are bringing up things related to PlayStation in unrelated threads in ways that mimic their PR/marketing then that is indeed shilling. Most of the time those people get dealt with in the same way that people who insist on doing the same for Xbox do.

People are free to state their opinions but the only way they can express themselves is by mimicing the tone and wording of a company's marketing material then it's highly suspicious. Either that or they lack the maturity to be able to think for themselves. If you want clarity on my overall stance then this is it:

http://[URL]https://www.neogaf.com/...ecision-i-need-to-make.1605464/post-263496737

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It would be nicer if there could be less blatant platform sales pitches and more discussions about actual games here but it is what it is for now. I hope once the industry gets out of the mini-lull it's currently in then the discussions here will also improve.

FairPlay to that. I would love it if we could buy any game on any console.

 

[GHG]

FairPlay to that. I would love it if we could buy any game on any console.

Not realistic, console manufacturers need to have a competitive edge over one another and they do that via their primary product which is their games.

If you want games to be platform agnostic then the closest you can get at the moment is PC.

 

[gladdys]

Not realistic, console manufacturers need to have a competitive edge over one another and they do that via their primary product which is their games.

If you want games to be platform agnostic then the closest you can get at the moment is PC.

I understand it’s not realistic, it would be nice though

 

[yurinka]

I think it is still important to realise gamespass is optional and the games they are releasing can be purchased separately on both XBOX and PC.

Yes, but I think MS is focusing on GP because saw they can't compete selling consoles and games against Sony and Nintendo, so are trying to create a Spotify/Netflix paradigm shift from game sales to game subs. Obviously not in two days, but in the long term.

Sony and Nintendo are super successful and happy with the current game sales focused business model and market style so prefer to don't change it.

 

[NahaNago]

I think it is sustainable but not with the way they are trying to do it. I think smaller games that you could finish in at most 3 to 4 hours should be what they aim for. This way you can have a lot more content and make sequels a lot more quickly to bank on a games success. It is okay to have maybe one or 2 big long running games to help pull folks in but mostly have small super interesting games for folks to jump into and share.

I honestly thought Sony's dreams game would have been the perfect way for them to create their own style of gamepass if they had just made it into something for only their developers to use to make their indie games quickly.

 

[Stooky]

you could do a subscription service with smaller games. It all comes down dev cost. short 2 year dev cycle .20 person teams using off the shelf engines (unreal/unity). Games would be way smaller in scope and quality. What Xbox was trying to do with GP was never going to work.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

The promise of AAA Day One games on that service is something MS is going to regret or/and find sneaky ways to circumvent that promise

where has Microsoft released a AAA games that's not been on gamepass to back up your claim they won't in the future. games are still available to buy and on gamepass

hi

 

[Deerock71]

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Absolutely 100% not. Like many of us have been saying for years, it’s a fallacy.

 

[yurinka]

Subscriptions in gaming are sustainable keeping them as a secondary and minor extra, to put there old games that no longer sell copies, while keeping as the main business model to sell games and addons.

Subscription as the main -or only- revenue source/business model would kill most publishers, developers and game since instead of releasing many thousands of games per year it would only be sustainable to release a few hundred.

 

[MikeM]

Its clearly not helping Xbox keep studios open. If anything, I think Studios would be better off without their games being on GP until years later.

 

[ergem]

The bi-weekly anti gamepass thread.

Gamepass (MS flavor of subscription model) is anti-games and anti-developers.

 

[RoboFu]

Not for developers.

 

[GHG]

You know you can still enjoy your subscription even of other people don't subscribe and don't believe subscriptions are the future of the industry right?

Or is this just some big pyramid scheme whereby relentlessly marketing the service to other people is the game? You tell me.

Narrator: it was a pyramid scheme.

 

[ahtlas7]

Ask Xbox

 

[Griffon]

Thank fuck that most gaming devs and publishers aren't as gullible and stupid as the music and movie industry. Keeping a safe distance and letting gamepass die on its own unsustainable piss.

 

[CuNi]

The Issue isn't GamePass.
The Issue here is that Microsoft does it and how they do it.
Somehow they manage to kill whatever they touch.
True reverse Mida's Hand skill.