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Infamous Second Son has gone gold
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EternalTruth
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The graphical downgrade since E3 2013 also bothers the hell out of me.
What the he!l happened to the shadows!
What the he!l happened to the shadows!
GavinUK86
Member
apparently you can't access that DLC until you have all the powers. a sucker punch guy said it during the ign livestream.
watchdogs 2.0. when will people learn what you see early in development is probably not what you're gonna get at release.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
No downgrade. Just a different time of day.
-Amon-
Member
I could be dead wrong since i'm not following this "graphical downgrade" thing much, but to me, speaking only about the image you posted, looks like a different time of day only.
There was another example in this thread.
Could be ?
Saberus
Member
The graphical downgrade since E3 2013 also bothers the hell out of me.
What the he!l happened to the shadows!
There is no downgrade, also the new screens are from the YouTube video, not offical, but they do look more detailed to me but the environment looks different and different time of day. IMO
The graphical downgrade since E3 2013 also bothers the hell out of me.
What the he!l happened to the shadows!
That only looks like they simply changed the time of day. There are still shadows on the characters, but instead of bright sunlight coming from above (causing darker shadows), there is light from a sunrise/sunset coming from the side, causing the left side of the characters to be in subtle shadow. You can even clearly see shadows projected on the railing/banners in the second "downgrade" pic. You can clearly see the collars of their coats casting shadows on their neck, and Delsin's hat casting shadow on his forehead. And there's still clearly ambient occlusion going on. I don't see a downgrade.
The graphical downgrade since E3 2013 also bothers the hell out of me.
What the he!l happened to the shadows!
Only downgrade seems to be the lack of self-shadowing on the characters, which is odd. Maybe it's in the patch? Different time of day could possibly account for it depending on where the sun is. The rest looks just as good or better (except in some cases of detail that look to be the case of a more compressed video capture on the new ones).
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Compressed youtube caps at a different time of day. Of course it looks different.
Edit: also of course those comparisons are from the exemplary work of dual shockers /s
Edit: also of course those comparisons are from the exemplary work of dual shockers /s
uncledonnie
Banned
This, the rest of it seems to be just a change in the environment but it looks like they removed the self-shadowing.
There is clearly self shadowing still going on. Look at their collars casting shadow on their necks, Delsin's hat casting shadow on his forehead, etc. The lighting angle is completely different, the light isn't direct sunlight coming from above anymore. It's softer light from a sunrise/sunset coming from a lower angle.
EternalTruth
Member
Well if it is just a different time of day why would they change it to a time when the cut scenes look noticeably worse...
(since their is no day and night cycle and it is pre set)
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
I will say those comparison photos do make for an interesting game of "Spot the Differences" lol. Like in the first set the tree on the left at E3 had no leaves, and now it does.
What if its not? Maybe if you take too long to get to a point, the time of day changes in your cut scene?
I have no idea, but it would be a novelty
I think that's one of the totems and the leaves are from a hanging plant nearby or something.
It doesn't look noticeably worse. It looks different. In fact the harsher lighting in the earlier shots looks worse from a cinematography standpoint. Maybe there are story/tonal reasons that this is set during sunrise or sunset now.
Ah, yeah, you're right. I'd say the different time of day is the culprit there.
I'm happy to see the change here, actually, because I thought that part in the E3 2013 trailer was too bright and high-contrast. New one looks more natural, and I like the new softer shadowing in the environment.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I think the textures look ever so slightly better in E3 2013 (which could be due to the bad quality of the capture of the new stuff), but I agree that most of the different is probably time of day related. I just watched some of the first 20 minutes of the game and it takes place with the sun at a relatively low angle (which explains the softer, sunset-y coloring).
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
March version looks better noticeably, though a few harsh shadows missing I would sayThe graphical downgrade since E3 2013 also bothers the hell out of me.
What the he!l happened to the shadows!
Or it's pre-baked.
There's also clearly more environmental detail in the second shots, like the tree leaves on the left in the first already pointed out. In the second there is the banners along the railing now, and some overgrown grass on the little hut thing in the background on the left. More texture detail on the brothers coat (nametag, badge, shoulder patch). Downgrade? Looks like a categorical upgrade.
Sure, let's just say things now, like pre-baked self shadowing.
Sure, let's just say things now, like pre-baked self shadowing.
plasmawave
Banned
There's still self shadow, at least in cutscenes.
The graphical downgrade since E3 2013 also bothers the hell out of me.
What the he!l happened to the shadows!
Are you serious? Please tell me you're not serious. The first images have the sun up top. This means around lunch time so more shadowing in places like Delsin's eyes.
Your "downgraded" images have a different set of lighting altogether. Seems to be sunset, which would not be casting as much harsh shadows on both characters.
Please do not jump to conclusions and scream downgrade without justification.
Yeah the vid is 720p and the E3 trailer was at 1080p.
I don't think they'd put pre-baked self-shadows on a character's face.
There's still self shadow, at least in cutscenes.
And there we go. Thanks for that catch.
Seriously. That article is getting a ton of traction and it's comparing screens from a friggin' youtube video.
Pre-baked self shadowing??!! Where the fuck are you guys coming up with this stuff?
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
ah you're right. Still spotting the differences reminds me of those Highlight magazines as a kid. Like the March photos all show Reggie with a patch on his arm and chest.
And why are there streamers up the hand rail and along the roof!? March version must be the Party Edition.
TheBioLover
Member
Time of day change=OMG DOWNGRADE.
Come on now, guys.
Come on now, guys.
Wait, what!? Are they claiming that Infamous got a downgrade since E3?
To be fair, the article makes no such claim. The author was stressing other differences such as time of day, locations, etc.
Of course, the comments immediately erupted into "downgrade!"
It's funny as heck. I think at this point, some people are just trying to look for anything to criticize the graphics on this game.
The very clean self-shadowing is one of the most impressive things in the recent footage.
Ah shit, more spoilers for me... lol
I should just leave this thread... Haha
Magicman103
Member
That's such BS.
Did anyone point out how wrong they are?
Whaaaaaaaaat. Where do you live? Saturday is one hell of a flying get.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
New screens looks better. Self shadowing looked way too overdone on the old screens, like he had makeup under his eyes.
Maybe story related?
Did you order from that guy on eBay?
That's lovingly referred to as raccoon eyes in the video/photo world, and it's something you try to avoid whenever possible when shooting something because it looks like garbage. That's why they'll always place a white/reflective bounce card under people when shooting out in sunlight like that, to bounce light back into their face and fill in shadows.
Magicman103
Member
Did you order from cheetah? Where do you live?
Downgrade guyz!!! Burn SP!!!!!
Hysterical
Member
Mine was shipped as well from this seller. Hope to have it Saturday :3