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What about all the shit games coming out that pipeline Halo Infinite, Red Fall etcConsole war baiting: the thread. MS have a lot of game in pipeline.
What about all the shit games coming out that pipeline Halo Infinite, Red Fall etcConsole war baiting: the thread. MS have a lot of game in pipeline.
You can't put halo in the same sentence as redfallWhat about all the shit games coming out that pipeline Halo Infinite, Red Fall etc
Companies are just risk averse at this point, that's why you see more mergers and company focusing in one successful product in the cost of others, even in gaming btw.Of course most of that deal was to be for buying very profitable IPs in their own right and very little to do with Xbox itself.
But even a fraction if that would have funded multiple AAA games for a decade or more.
Anyone who's been paying attention to Microsoft though, isn't really surprised. Nadella doesn't give much of a fuck about anything but the cloud parts of the company. Well other enterprise parts too. You can see that with the Surface division facing pressure and the low end Microsoft hardware having just gotten the chop, despite no signs either are not profitable (just not anywhere near the likes of Azure).
They definitely need some improvement. Problem is who does the house cleaning?I think rather than buy the gaming studios MS should now focus on Management change of Xbox from top to bottom.
It is now the perfect time to to reboot the management from top to bottom like MCU did in 2007, and now WB did with DCU.
IMO this is the lowest point of Xbox era that even exclusives are getting worst rating and the management does not get it what really gamers want.
In short, Money cannot buy the passion and dedication.
Your right little unfair on RedfallYou can't put halo in the same sentence as redfall
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Few people want Xbox to fail purely for console war reasons. Most of the ire directed at Xbox is because their management seems completely incompetent and you can be a fan of something and invest in it while also recognizing their shortcomings.
I don't own a modern Xbox but my brother and nephew do. I want them to have baller games to play. Same with everyone here who sticks with Xbox as their main console.
Xbox is just being dumb as shit. It's like they are stuck in a perpetual cycle of the PS3 rollout.
Touché.Your right little unfair on Redfall
Captain Obvious…sorry but it had to be said. No offenseA soul sucking corporate behemoth like Microsoft cannot possibly maintain the passion needed to create consistently great games. There is too much bureaucracy. Their interests are too far apart. They have a few things they do well and that’s all you’re going to get out of them. The Microsoft that gave us the Xbox and the 360 are long gone.
This is a truer words never spoken post100%
Few people want Xbox to fail purely for console war reasons. Most of the ire directed at Xbox is because their management seems completely incompetent and you can be a fan of something and invest in it while also recognizing their shortcomings.
I don't own a modern Xbox but my brother and nephew do. I want them to have baller games to play. Same with everyone here who sticks with Xbox as their main console.
Xbox is just being dumb as shit. It's like they are stuck in a perpetual cycle of the PS3 rollout.
Console war baiting: the thread. MS have a lot of game in pipeline.
Excuses can only work so long after a patterned behavior has been recognized by the massesPretty sure most people here already know Redfall started development LONG before the Bethesda acquisition. MS already gave the devs the best shot by signing off on a nearly year long delay.
‘mismanagement’ talk when it comes to Redfall is just silly.
. It works both ways.Pretty sure most people here already know Redfall started development LONG before the Bethesda acquisition. MS already gave the devs the best shot by signing off on a nearly year long delay.
‘mismanagement’ talk when it comes to Redfall is just silly.
This seems fair. We can't talk about how long dev cycles have gotten and hold them accountable. But the summer showcase is going to be pivotal. The 2018 acquisitions should start bearing some fruit. They could be bangers and prove the Xbox vision or they could fail and it would be time to really reevaluate everything. It sucks to say wait for it, but it's not realistic to not expect delayed gratification when dev cycles are 5-6 years now for AAA.I have been defending Phill for years, but if we reach the end of 2024 and XB is still in the same situation, then it is time for him to go.
I was one of microsofts most adamant defenders during the xbox one era, but now i realize they have always been a joke a of a publisher who cant manage their studios for shitThis hardly matters. Don Mattrick was ousted 10 years ago. Phil has had an entire generation and then some to right the ship and as of 2023, we're still not close to being there. None of the big games they have announced almost 3 years ago are anywhere near in sight. No Fable, Perfect Dark, Everwild, or even Hellblade. The management has been abysmal.
I'm not one to console war and I've been incredibly patient with Xbox but 2024 is their absolute final chance. We know what we're getting in 2023 so no point in getting up in arms about that but if by 2024, we still see no clear release dates for their big games, it's time to just fire everyone.
It will have been over 10 years since Mattrick's firing. A competent leader would have righted the ship by then. Instead, they're getting outsold 3:1 by Playstation when they had a golden opportunity to close the gap with the pandemic and chip shortage. Sony was releasing games at a much slower rate than usual and Xbox should have been ready to start the gen with a bang. What did we get? An unfinished Halo Infinite that's dead now.
This thread will probably get closed so meh but man Xbox is in a sorry state.
Not a bad idea at all. And man if Xbox fails and leaves, were all screwed. It will be even worse than PS3 early days. Best option would be a 50/50 market split between Xbox and PS with each forced to continually innovate to try and tip the scales.A strong Xbox is good for PlayStation consumers. I don’t think anyone actually wants a gaming monopoly. It‘s bad for developers, publishers, and consumers.
We saw that with Nintendo and we’ve seen it with Sony. It’s never a good thing.
If I’m Microsoft, I bring in the PS4 leadership team and try to get as many Playstation veterans as possible.
This. Money isn't bandaids.Then bring a competent team with an actual vision that does not throw money at every problem to acquire a solution.
Maybe they need to call the pros.MS have a lot of game in pipeline.
Hot Take Call Of Duty is what took Xbox down because it took out Halo & Gears Of War .
Releasing Redfall in the state it appears to be in is mismanagement. They could delay and put more people on it, but instead they are pushing it out the door because they are starving for exclusives. Which is also a result of mismanagement.Pretty sure most people here already know Redfall started development LONG before the Bethesda acquisition. MS already gave the devs the best shot by signing off on a nearly year long delay.
‘mismanagement’ talk when it comes to Redfall is just silly.
People calling for a shakeup don't know what they are asking for because Spencer actually fought to keep Xbox alive .Damn. There is probly at least some truth to that. Halo was still doing good, gears was the next big thing, then a couple years later everything was modern warfare. I even had a friend who was pure dudebro gaming and got a ps3 because he didn't have to pay for online to play it. Before mw, the PS3 would have been out of the question because of halo.
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They are so concerned with messaging and optics that I think it would be hard as hell to replace Spencer. They set the bar for a marketable executive. He's practically like a mascot. Finding someone else to hype up like that would be easy, scapegoating Phil would be the hard part.
Agreed 100%. Gamepass has devalued and cannibalized game sales. Also, games need to be released and sold properly to recoupe funding for sequels. Phil and Co. push gamepass nonstop and dont even talk about the console or exclusives anymore. They have lost sight of what makes a console relevant and sub services like gamepass are not the answer.Phil Spencer and Gamepass strategy had been a complete disaster for Microsoft and XBox. Only by canning Phil and redirecting the acquisition budget toward releasing quality games can they hope to recover.
Changing all the management isn't a solution, if you know your corporate politics and gaming history that often comes with a lot of downsides, take a look at Commodore and Atari for perfect examples.
New managemnt come in and will scrap everything the last guy did to push thier own vision. Those games you are waiting for? Likely to be cancelled which will put you back at square one and if they are not cancelled new management will have to try to clean up the mess and get the criticism of those failures when they try to put the roof on a house with poor foundations.
That’s not what that meansI believe Xbox is just too hands on. It gives money to their studios and they just do whatever.
But here Xbox could have made a meaningful decision at Arkane management of redfall: they clearly should have delayed the game.I think they were both in development before the acquisition so there was no sense in canceling them. Whatever Arkane does next will be their first game fully under the Xbox umbrella. Same for Hellblade 2 and Ninja Theory.
They've wasted millions trying to get as deal, that even without hindsight was always going to be iffy at best through, and also worsened their standing (and therefore likelihood of getting contracts) with at least the UK government.And replace Phil with who? Matt Booty?
Who in the gaming industry that's already at Microsoft internally, can they use to replace guys like Aaron, Matt, Phil, the VP I forget the name of, and the head of marketing I also forgot the name of?
I guess for marketing you can use any other marketing leader from another part of Microsoft since Marketing is Marketing regardless of the product, but the other positions can not be swapped out with empty suits that haven't got their feet wet in the gaming industry. They would have no idea what to do, not understand how anything works, and make uninformed decisions.
Microsoft is unlikely to hire externally from outside the company either since that would waste a lot of time and money getting new people used to Microsofts internal environment.
The objective of the title isn't currently possible. The most you could do is promote a few people to replace select leadership positions, and for those that don't require industry expertise, import from other divisions within Microsoft.