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Opinion Analysis I think Bluepoint is not ready to make a Bloodborne 2

Can Bluepoint make a proper Bloodborne?


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KiteGr

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This is in response to the recent rumors that Sony gave Bluepoint the rains to a Bloodborne remake and sequel.

Sony gave them the honors to make a remake for Demon's Souls, and while they did the job adequately, they Struggled.
In terms of art, they struggled capturing the paganistic feeling of the original DS, just like Other Ocean Interactive struggled to capture the timburtonesque feeling of Medievil, with BP going back to fix some designs after the first trailers hit the public.
In terms of gameplay, they kept it identical to the old, avoiding to touch, rebalance or improve any aspect, (beyond the bladestone farm that was a mistake in the original's part). While that resulted in a decent gameplay overall, that's because the original game had a decent gameplay overall, and not because they studied and built it them selfs in some way.

Bloodborne, like most Souls-games, was a masterpiece of level design, guiding you without you even noticing to the right, or some times purposely to the wrong direction and training you.
Look no further than this video by the escapist to gen an idea.

The game had a brilliant Soul and not a formula to follow.



In terms of art, it's no wonder that people call Bloodborne the best Lovecraftian game, without it ever mentioning Lovecraft or C'thulu mythos (before the expansion). The game throws you in a semi-reasonable world where some mysterious affliction is turning people into madmen and beasts. Then the game slowly turns towards the weird and mystic, slowly throwing you into even more bizarre environments, emulating the feeling of living in a maddening nightmare that you can not wake up from. This further proves my theory that in order to make a proper Lovecraftian media, you must distance it and not advertise it to anything Lovecraft related, so the dive into horror will come slowly and unexpectedly.
A while back, I stumbled upon a video by Souls-loremaster VaatiVidya where he organized a competition for potential concepts and art for a potential, then unannounced, Bloodborne sequel.

I was impress how few but the top lore entries came even close to capturing the feeling of a proper bloodborne game.



IMO all the above are such a big job for a developer who until now only worked mostly on remakes and remasters.

What's your opinion?
Are the rumors true?
Would Bluepoint, or any other developer for that matter pull off a sequel that makes Bloodborne Justice?
 
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The reason all From games are so good - from DeS to BB and beyond - is because From made them.

BB fans are so totally rabid that it's going to be nearly impossible to live up to their expectations in a sequel and for my money the ONLY people capable of doing it correctly are the people who set the bar in the first place.

Bluepoint do spectacular work but they need something with way less weight to prove their creative chops as a team regardless of how many individual industry vets they have.
 

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I mean, dah.

They only made remake till now, we know nothing about their talent with new games, and making a worthy sequel for bb is not a small task...
 
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Give them something else. If they brought anything but a classic for Bloodborne 2 they would be slaughtered.
 
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As Dark Souls 2 proved, to the more extreme end of the fandom any deviation to the expected formula is sacrilege.

So to a large extent its a thankless task, you try to please the hardcore and you end up with more of the same, try and switch it up you get torches and pitchforks!

Not to mention that there's this underlying misapprehension that an "official" sequel by FROM is always a possibility, when the reality is that Miyazaki may be happy to call it one-and-done, or that its a low priority idea that will never get much traction because resources will always be consumed by their primary projects.

I'd suspect that if Elden Ring is as big a success as In suspect it might be, that property will become FROM's main focus for the next decade.
 

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If this project is really in the works i believe Sony is 100% making it a collab between BP and FROM. Don’t even think
BP would tackle the IP on their own. Why? Because they respect FROM so much so that they didnt even touch the missing archstone in Demon Souls remake. Y’ll should see the BP doc on YT for Demon Souls.

Also according to rumors Miyazakis next game is a PS exclusive. Might be BB2. BB is his favourite IP after all.
 
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Nah Sony just need to pay miyazaki to put his name somewhere and people will eat it. That's how stupid some people are. Look at the elden ring, so much hype and end up to be a open world dark Souls with RR Martin name on it
 
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If only Bluepoint had managed to include any meaningful new content on DeS Remake, I'd trust them.

Instead we got some mirrored world gimmick along with a few coins here and there to get a armor set.

Since the original launched we have been looking forward to the land of the giants, which would have been the perfect opportunity for them to include in the remake.

Game looks phenomenal, for sure, but they haven't done anything to prove they understand the formula instead of ctl+c and ctrl+v and slap a beautiful coating on it.

Please keep Bluepoint away from Bloodborne 2, they are not the right developer. To be fair, no one except FROM is.
 
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Bloodborne needs to be multiplatform first so it could sell more units and then only they can do second game. First game did not sold well and sony loves games with 10+ million sales. Days gone got canned for the same reason. Unless and until fans demand bb2 it wont be coming anytime soon. I have high hopes on PC port of bloodborne that may happen in future.
 

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From me they get the benefit of the doubt, if the rumors are true, but it is definitely not an easy undertaking and they have a lot to proof. Visually it will look impressive, that's for sure.

They gained experience from the DS remake and if it is true that they are also doing the BB remaster than this alone will ensure a certain quality.
 

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From or nothing. Bluepoint is good at remasters but what have they made originally?
 

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I think the story should be a prequel that follows the conflict between the healing church and the vilebloods.
 

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I'm still of the opinion that the secret sauce of FROM's lore/world-building is its sparseness. You try and fill in the gaps and it loses all its power because your imagination is always going to be better than what their writers come up with.

Its actually more functional framework than story; the "lost civilization" and the force that brought it low is the macguffin that drives the player through the same cyclic power/growth fantasy. There's really nothing underneath but a vague mystery, because in the end, that's all that's really needed.
 
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Bloodborne is masterpiece only topped by Dark Souls 1. I love Bloodborne but I don't need a sequel. Forget it if it's not from FromSoft.

If Bloodborne 2 is coming at one point in the future, it will be made by FromSoft. No chance any other studio will try to live up to the standards established by the unique masterpiece that is Bloodborne.
 
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i don't think Bluepoint have what it takes. All they're good at is remastering/remaking other peoples games. Maybe best stick to what they're good at.

They are a studio that hasn't made their own game (unless you really want to count Blast Factor lmfao) and people really expect them to come out with a sequel to one of the best PS4 games and one of the best games of all time that was made by an incredibly talent studio like From Software? lol. At best they might make a generic game inspired by it but I would be very surprised if it was half as good as Bloodborne.
 
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If this project is really in the works i believe Sony is 100% making it a collab between BP and FROM. Don’t even think
BP would tackle the IP on their own. Why? Because they respect FROM so much so that they didnt even touch the missing archstone in Demon Souls remake. Y’ll should see the BP doc on YT for Demon Souls.

Also according to rumors Miyazakis next game is a PS exclusive. Might be BB2. BB is his favourite IP after all.
This! With From being a consultant, I think it will do fine.
 
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Bluepoint is not ready to make anything besides remakes/remaster and they should stick with that.

If they want to start, make a new IP.
 

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First of all, we have no idea if this rumour is true.

Second, we don't really know their full capabilities and devs claim they have a lot of experienced people who worked on original games, and that it's their long ambition to make one, makes no sense to dismiss them, when so many new studios are given benefit of the doubt. At least BP proved their mettle in some areas, unlike newbies. Nothing stops them from hiring additional personnel as well.

Fo me, I liked their version of DeS much more, so splendid to look at. Obsessive fans will always resist any change, even though if it were the original version they saw, they'd argue just as passionately how superior it is, just due to nostalgia and bias.

The surroundings in DeS are original enough to be the proof that they could create beautiful words. However, creature design is From's strength which few can match, so this area is unclear, as well as gameplay ofc. I do think that being tied to other studio's IP with sky high expectations and bitching fans is stressful position to be in. Why not make their own take on souls formula, if that's what they want to do. There are so many directions to go without being compared to original. Strictly historical setting for example, or something with clearer story... They could have more creative freedom and less expectations. Lots of other companies iterate on the formula without using From's IP.
 

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As Dark Souls 2 proved, to the more extreme end of the fandom any deviation to the expected formula is sacrilege.

So to a large extent its a thankless task, you try to please the hardcore and you end up with more of the same, try and switch it up you get torches and pitchforks!

Not to mention that there's this underlying misapprehension that an "official" sequel by FROM is always a possibility, when the reality is that Miyazaki may be happy to call it one-and-done, or that its a low priority idea that will never get much traction because resources will always be consumed by their primary projects.

I'd suspect that if Elden Ring is as big a success as In suspect it might be, that property will become FROM's main focus for the next decade.
It's the Star Wars effect. Once the rains pass to someone who's not the original creator, everyone think they have an opinion.
And I have the opinion that they are still to green....

I'll be happy if they had some new and daring ideas to bring to the table. I don't even care if they call it "Bloodborne" or not.
I actually liked the Combat of Dark Souls 2 and welcomed the idea of darkness and torches playing a bigger role. The game was a disaster though, as the new director couldn't make coherent environments, world and lore, and the consoles couldn't handle the graphics and the new darkness mechanic, thus we've got the downgraded and hastily patched together mess we ended up with.

Just like DS2 failed because it had an inexperienced director, without a clear vision of the theme and layout the game should have, BP might have gone through Demon's Souls scene by scene enough to make a decent copy, but they haven't shown any signs of having ideas of their own. In their Demon's Souls remake they failed to identify the paganistic theme and just upscaled all the graphics to next gen without enhancing the atmosphere the game was going to. The only parts where they added their own touch and worked wonderfully was with the Shrine of Storms area and the visceral attack animations. They didn't even attempt to fix the missing Archstone and test their skills by adding more levels.
 

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Nah Sony just need to pay miyazaki to put his name somewhere and people will eat it. That's how stupid some people are. Look at the elden ring, so much hype and end up to be a open world dark Souls with RR Martin name on it

You do realize Miyazaki is the actual reason those games are amazing right? Because his simply a great director.

Dark Souls II was NOT directed by Miyazaki and it showed because it was not a good Souls game. Horrific level design and just didn't have same flow.

Elden Ring ended up to be Dark Souls open world?

That's what it was announced as from the beginning.... there wad 0 bait and switch lol.

What are you smoking lil timmy?
 
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It's the Star Wars effect. Once the rains pass to someone who's not the original creator, everyone think they have an opinion.
And I have the opinion that they are still to green....

I'll be happy if they had some new and daring ideas to bring to the table. I don't even care if they call it "Bloodborne" or not.
I actually liked the Combat of Dark Souls 2 and welcomed the idea of darkness and torches playing a bigger role. The game was a disaster though, as the new director couldn't make coherent environments, world and lore, and the consoles couldn't handle the graphics and the new darkness mechanic, thus we've got the downgraded and hastily patched together mess we ended up with.

Just like DS2 failed because it had an inexperienced director, without a clear vision of the theme and layout the game should have, BP might have gone through Demon's Souls scene by scene enough to make a decent copy, but they haven't shown any signs of having ideas of their own. In their Demon's Souls remake they failed to identify the paganistic theme and just upscaled all the graphics to next gen without enhancing the atmosphere the game was going to. The only parts where they added their own touch and worked wonderfully was with the Shrine of Storms area and the visceral attack animations. They didn't even attempt to fix the missing Archstone and test their skills by adding more levels.

I kinda disagree because my impression was that the problems with Dark Souls 2 were primarily technical. It was just too ambitious with its lighting and memory usage and basically they had to pivot really quickly to get something that would run on PS360.

I don't feel that there was a fault with the design per se, because I think the overall layout of the areas individually is actually as good as anything in the franchise, in fact I'd argue that it has by far the best and most imaginative locations of anything they've ever done. Its just that the way they are stitched together is clumsy in places and essentially you can see the joins where they had to aggressively compromise on their initial plans.

I mean its kinda ironic to me that nothing they've done since, even on more powerful hardware, has come close to the promise of the pre-release footage with its ray-cast lights and overall dynamics with breaking windows etc.

Bluepoint if I'd have to give a knock to, are almost too respectful of the original work. They look to precisely replicate what was there originally but seem to have a bit of a blind-spot for how the level of technology used impacts the overall aesthetic. Cleaning up and sharpening the visuals by itself can profoundly change the tone, because as I wrote regarding the lore and story, sometimes its better and more atmospheric when finer details remain obscure. Clarity demystifies.
 

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Bloodborne is one of my favorite games of all time and IMO FROM are one of the best studios in the industry right now.
So no, I don't trust that a studio that has almost exclusively worked on remakes and remasters is going to make a worthy successor. That's as if you told me an author that has almost exclusively worked on novelizations of popular movies and games is going to write the official sequel the the lord of the rings trilogy.

If they want to make a Souls style game why not make something original? A new IP with some of the same core concepts.
Maybe if they prove themselves making an amazing Souls inspired original game I'd have more confidence in them making a sequel to Bloodborne.
 
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IF this is true and it's a big if, I think the best approach would be totally different region with similar themes and combat, but different aesthetic. Vaati's art competition had some great ideas for visual direction. Of course, then the question is again why not make a new original IP instead.
 

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Weeeeelllll, you're not wrong to feel that way. None whatsoever.

Regardless, if there's anything that Blue Point has proven is that they give a damn about quality and they seem to put in a lot of work and a lot of heart into everything they have put out so far.

That being said, I believe that they themselves know the pressure and expectations are well on top of them - and this, I believe, will help push them to put out above than average sequel.

Do I think it would surpass anything that From Software?

No, I doubt it. But I do believe they will still put out a worth successor if any of this rumour is true.
 
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You do realize Miyazaki is the actual reason those games are amazing right? Because his simply a great director.

Dark Souls II was NOT directed by Miyazaki and it showed because it was not a good Souls game. Horrific level design and just didn't have same flow.

Elden Ring ended up to be Dark Souls open world?

That's what it was announced as from the beginning.... there wad 0 bait and switch lol.

What are you smoking lil timmy?
Dark Souls 2 is a good game. Because people like you with sheep mentality. When heard miyasaki isn't involved so it must be shit.

Also elden ring was never announced as dark Souls open world. It was announced as something new. Hence new ip. And turn out just to be dark Souls with pointless open areas.
Also I love miyazaki gets all the credit but if it was kojima you probably pull your pants off
 
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People will complain no matter what. There are people complaining about Elden rings graphics, or that it’s open world and then complain it’s too similar to other From games. If anyone is going to be able to get that feel down, it’s BP.
Also, 6 choices. 1 positive outcome and the rest are all negative. What kind of poll is this?
 

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There is no need for a Bloodborne sequel. It's better for it's lore and story to remain a mystery. Explaining shit further would do more hard than good.

Just finally make a bloody Remake/Remaster. I've been itching to replay it for some time now but do not want to as costantly have the feeling that a Remaster/Patch/Remake is around the corner.
 

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Dumbass Sony!!! they had all the time and money in the world to pay From Soft to make the Bloodborne 2, instead they wasted their money buying a hack studio and asked them to make one
 
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Nah Sony just need to pay miyazaki to put his name somewhere and people will eat it. That's how stupid some people are. Look at the elden ring, so much hype and end up to be a open world dark Souls with RR Martin name on it
If Miyazaki works on it, I'm pretty sure the game will end up being good, so yeah. About Elden Ring, I can't speak for others, but GRR Martin is definitely not what called my attention on the title, specially since he's not finishing his projects as he should; but being directed by Miyzaki and looking a fantastic Souls game, as usual, is what it's selling me to it. I believe that must be the general consensus among fans of From Software games.

You're really missing the point if you can't understand why people are hyped for Elden Ring, when From Software has such an amazing track record.
 
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Dumbass Sony!!! they had all the time and money in the world to pay From Soft to make the Bloodborne 2, instead they wasted their money buying a hack studio and asked them to make one
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Dark Souls 2 is a good game. Because people like you with sheep mentality. When heard miyasaki isn't involved so it must be shit.

Also elden ring was never announced as dark Souls open world. It was announced as something new. Hence new ip. And turn out just to be dark Souls with pointless open areas.
Also I love miyazaki gets all the credit but if it was kojima you probably pull your pants off

 
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could they do a worse job at something than GROVE STREET GAMES. I think Bluepoint will be fine.
 

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I love Bluepoint but I've yet to see them do anything original. Everything they've done has been taking someone else's vision/concept and freshening it up. I wouldn't trust 99% of developers with Bloodborne 2, much less one that's never made a game from scratch, ever.
Love this logic of "only Miyazaki can make these games."

Used to say the same thing about Miyamoto and Zelda/Mario games.
I don't believe only he can make it but Bluepoint and From are so culturally different I'm not sure they could pull of the design and feel without massive help. Demon's Souls is amazing but they had the cliff notes, and Japan Studio, a new Bloodborne would be from scratch.
 
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I love Bluepoint but I've yet to see them do anything original. Everything they've done has been taking someone else's vision/concept and freshening it up. I wouldn't trust 99% of developers with Bloodborne 2, much less one that's never made a game from scratch, ever.

I don't believe only he can make it but Bluepoint and From are so culturally different I'm not sure they could pull of the design and feel without massive help. Demon's Souls is amazing but they had the cliff notes, and Japan Studio, a new Bloodborne would be from scratch.

The studio head of Bluepoint Games, Marco Thrush, helped make Metroid Prime (before founding Bluepoint.)

He also pointed out that everyone at Bluepoint has worked on original game development (before joining Bluepoint.)

Did you really think all these guys have each spent their entire careers porting games? lol
 

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We dont know if From is involved.
Miyazaky was the director of Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 at the same time so he can be in Elders and BB 2.
And I remenber that he said " I dont have problems working in two projects", so MAYBE the Bloodborne 2 Project is not so new.
 

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You do realize Miyazaki is the actual reason those games are amazing right? Because his simply a great director.

Dark Souls II was NOT directed by Miyazaki and it showed because it was not a good Souls game. Horrific level design and just didn't have same flow.

Elden Ring ended up to be Dark Souls open world?

That's what it was announced as from the beginning.... there wad 0 bait and switch lol.

What are you smoking lil timmy?
There is no modern AA-AAA game where a single person is responsible.
 

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There is no modern AA-AAA game where a single person is responsible.
You're right, but it does not invalidate what he said, because he was right. Miyazaki seems to affect positively the Souls games, hence why Dark Souls 2 is considered the lesser good - and let's be real, if you played the entire franchise, it's noticeable that Dark Souls 2 has lots of issues that gives reason to this general opinion about it.

If the guy is responsible for the identity of the titles he is working on; for those minor details that put his products on a different level, then he definitely is not the only person responsible for it but his presence makes a positive difference.
 
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If Miyazaki works on it, I'm pretty sure the game will end up being good, so yeah. About Elden Ring, I can't speak for others, but GRR Martin is definitely not what called my attention on the title, specially since he's not finishing his projects as he should; but being directed by Miyzaki and looking a fantastic Souls game, as usual, is what it's selling me to it. I believe that must be the general consensus among fans of From Software games.

You're really missing the point if you can't understand why people are hyped for Elden Ring, when From Software has such an amazing track record.
You are the one missing the point. Yeah everyone is hyped because is another from software game. And I'm pretty sure it will be fantastic. But saying after watching the announcement trailer everyone expect a open world dark Souls is bullshit