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I really want a Yakuza game without the Yakuza

Shantae

Banned
I'm one of the many people who got into the series in a pretty big way with Yakuza 0. It's still probably my favorite in the series, and since then I've played Kiwami 1, Yakuza 3, Yakuza 4, Yakuza 5, and Yakuza 6. I still haven't gotten around to Kiwami 2, but I just purchased it recently. For the most part, I like all the games. Some of them were a little weaker than others in terms of story, but overall, I liked all of them.

I finally started playing Judgment recently, which is technically another Yakuza game, and it should be exactly what I was hoping for. Was really into the idea of this new franchise in the Yakuza universe, but you play as a detective, and it was a murder mystery. I'm about half way through the game, so I haven't finished it yet, but I feel confident in being able to say my problem still exists. The game focuses heavily on Yakuza families, and conflicts with Yakuza members. Even our main character, even though he is not a Yakuza himself, has a close relationship with one of the family leaders, and his partner is a former Yakuza.

I love these games largely because of the world you get to inhabit, plus all the zany sidequests always have funny and interesting stories themselves. The main stories in them are interesting, but I think the one thing that bums me out is the focus on bad people. As much as I love the mainline Yakuza series, and like characters like Kiryu, and Majima...I also can't entirely relate to them because they have this Yakuza code of morality that I just can't get behind. Kiryu often does irrational stuff throughout the series in the name of following tradition within the Yakuza. I understand it creates drama, and action for the game itself, but I wish we had a game from the same team without all the criminal underworld stuff.

Coming back to Judgment, it was exciting when I first heard about the game because it was finally a chance to break away from the criminal underworld story stuff, and focus on a story about chasing a serial killer. Yet where I'm at in the story, it seems to be going in a very similar direction as so many other Yakuza games....real estate thing goes south, involves yakuza who are upset that they lost their investment...serial killer may be part of it, ugh. I like the game a lot, but I so wanted a different kind of story.

As much as I love these games, and their goofy side stories, it is always a strange disconnect when you compare the character's actions from the side stories to that of what happens in the main story. I almost would be happy with a game that had a more light hearted main story, and focused on the crazy side story stuff as the real development for the characters. As it is, it really feels like the side stories don't really happen because the main game never really addresses them. For example, in Yakuza 0, you can invest so much time doing slot car racing, and form bonds with a bunch of people there...but you can't really imagine Kiryu doing that stuff outside of the side story. I would be happier if they made a character in which these side activities are believably done within the world of the game by these characters.

I just felt like venting about this, because as I've been playing Judgment recently, this has been my major complaint about it. Still constantly getting chased by Yakuza assholes, and still dealing with a story revolving around their world. Some of the most fun I had in a Yakuza game actually was in Yakuza 5 where you play as Haruka and try to work on her idol career. There wasn't any combat in that section, and I was engaged with her story. I wouldn't mind if they tried some new types of games within this engine and world they've created. It doesn't have to even have fighting in it to be fun I think.
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
This another good one made by Yakuza team.
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Shantae

Banned
This another good one made by Yakuza team.
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I know about that game, but I really have zero familiarity with the source material, so it never really interested me much. Didn't think it was something I could get into without having watched the anime or read a manga of it.
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
I know about that game, but I really have zero familiarity with the source material, so it never really interested me much. Didn't think it was something I could get into without having watched the anime or read a manga of it.
I personally really like the Fist of the North Star but I would say you can still get in to this game without not knowing source material, this game doesn’t really follow the story in anime/manga. Think of it as Yakuza team’s take on the series.
 

Oddspeak

Member
I feel you on this. I also love Haruka's section in 5. If anything, her chapter and the detective stuff in Judgment show that RGG Studios could honestly make a great, investing game that has little to no combat or Yakuza in it at all if they put their minds to it. The hostess club minigame in 0 and Kiwami 2 is my favorite minigame of all time. If they expanded it into a full game somehow, I would be all over it.

I know about that game, but I really have zero familiarity with the source material, so it never really interested me much. Didn't think it was something I could get into without having watched the anime or read a manga of it.

That game has its own continuity. It does make the occasional assumption that you may have read the manga or watched the show, but it is its own timeline and doesn't follow the plot of the source material.
 

Shantae

Banned
I personally really like the Fist of the North Star but I would say you can still get in to this game without not knowing source material, this game doesn’t really follow the story in anime/manga. Think of it as Yakuza team’s take on the series.
I feel you on this. I also love Haruka's section in 5. If anything, her chapter and the detective stuff in Judgment show that RGG Studios could honestly make a great, investing game that has little to no combat or Yakuza in it at all if they put their minds to it. The hostess club minigame in 0 and Kiwami 2 is my favorite minigame of all time. If they expanded it into a full game somehow, I would be all over it.



That game has its own continuity. It does make the occasional assumption that you may have read the manga or watched the show, but it is its own timeline and doesn't follow the plot of the source material.
Maybe I'll check out Fist of the North Star at some point, but based on what I know, it's another game largely about punching dudes, and that's not what I'm looking for. It's also in a post apocalyptic world, which makes it lose a big part of what I like about the Yakuza games: the Japan atmosphere. Never been crazy about what I've seen of Fist of the North Star's world. If I got a craving for another game like these, or I find it on sale, I'll check it out though.

It's like Oddspeak Oddspeak is saying though, those elements Haruka's story in Yakuza 5, or the detective parts in Judgment, there are fun gameplay mechanics that can be made by this team without the heavy focus on combat. I would like to see them more fleshed out into one of their games, with less emphasis on the fighting. Judgment feels like it has maybe the most button mashy combat of the series so far, but it still has the frequent battles that just kinda take away from what I wanna do in the game. I want a game with this engine that lets me do ALL the good side stuff that the previous games have. Funny sidequests, go on dates, hostess clubs, arcades, karaoke, idol dancing, porno shops, hostess management, real estate....all that stuff was so fun. Getting stopped by the assholes that wanna fight every 20 feet is annoying.
 

xrnzaaas

Member
I know about that game, but I really have zero familiarity with the source material, so it never really interested me much. Didn't think it was something I could get into without having watched the anime or read a manga of it.
I haven't watched the anime, but I still enjoyed the game. It takes its time to familiarize you with the characters and the postapocalyptic world it takes place in. I especially liked the crazy combat moves even if the main character felt OP pretty much from the start. There are also other cool ideas based on Yakuza's, but different. Fist's version of karaoke is particularly funny. Only the open world wastelands are boring to explore after the first few hours, but it's an optional activity and most of the main story takes place in the city.
 
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Shantae

Banned
Yakuza 6 spoiler

I just also wanted to rant again how the story of Yakuza 6 kinda just annoyed me sooo much. You spend this series watching Haruka grow up. For her to end up where she does in that game just kinda made me mad as a father figure to her. She should know better, and she got herself knocked up by a Yakuza punk who nearly beats a man to death. This is part of what i mean how I can't always get behind the characters in these games, because they have some questionable moral values. I did not want Haruka to end up with someone like that, and for her to go from being an idol, to a teenage mother was so depressing to see. Especially with the punk she ended up having the kid with. I hated it sooooo much, it just made me mad the whole time playing the game.

Then also at the end, Kiryu thinks he's spider-man or something, because he fakes his death so that he can "protect" Haruka or some shit, so she can live her life without being in danger. Hey Kiryu...dumby...she ran away from home, got knocked up, and almost killed by the Yakuza while you were in jail, and it had nothing to do with you! If you were around, you could have actually protected her.

That game's story isn't badly told or anything, but it makes me so angry because of what happens in it lol
 
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bronk

Banned
Yakuza 6 spoiler

I just also wanted to rant again how the story of Yakuza 6 kinda just annoyed me sooo much. You spend this series watching Haruka grow up. For her to end up where she does in that game just kinda made me mad as a father figure to her. She should know better, and she got herself knocked up by a Yakuza punk who nearly beats a man to death. This is part of what i mean how I can't always get behind the characters in these games, because they have some questionable moral values. I did not want Haruka to end up with someone like that, and for her to go from being an idol, to a teenage mother was so depressing to see. Especially with the punk she ended up having the kid with. I hated it sooooo much, it just made me mad the whole time playing the game.

Then also at the end, Kiryu thinks he's spider-man or something, because he fakes his death so that he can "protect" Haruka or some shit, so she can live her life without being in danger. Hey Kiryu...dumby...she ran away from home, got knocked up, and almost killed by the Yakuza while you were in jail, and it had nothing to do with you! If you were around, you could have actually protected her.

That game's story isn't badly told or anything, but it makes me so angry because of what happens in it lol
I loved all of that. 😅
 

Jack Videogames

Gold Member
Yakuza 6 spoiler

I just also wanted to rant again how the story of Yakuza 6 kinda just annoyed me sooo much. You spend this series watching Haruka grow up. For her to end up where she does in that game just kinda made me mad as a father figure to her. She should know better, and she got herself knocked up by a Yakuza punk who nearly beats a man to death. This is part of what i mean how I can't always get behind the characters in these games, because they have some questionable moral values. I did not want Haruka to end up with someone like that, and for her to go from being an idol, to a teenage mother was so depressing to see. Especially with the punk she ended up having the kid with. I hated it sooooo much, it just made me mad the whole time playing the game.

Then also at the end, Kiryu thinks he's spider-man or something, because he fakes his death so that he can "protect" Haruka or some shit, so she can live her life without being in danger. Hey Kiryu...dumby...she ran away from home, got knocked up, and almost killed by the Yakuza while you were in jail, and it had nothing to do with you! If you were around, you could have actually protected her.

That game's story isn't badly told or anything, but it makes me so angry because of what happens in it lol

I really want to argue, but I can't... :messenger_sad_relieved:
 

Fbh

Member
Yeah, I love the franchise but after 7 main entries I wouldn't mind a change. Fist of the North star proved that you can take the core Yakuza experience and use it in another setting so hopefully we see more experiments like that in the future.

At least the new one looks a bit more unique with the tun based combat and FINALLY not being mainly set in Kamurocho
 
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I've been saying it for a long time, but SEGA REALLY aughta use the Yakuza engine for a Streets of Rage game. SOR4 looks nice, but the series has always been wanting a 3D installment. Instead we got games like Fighting Force (meh), Die Hard Arcade (cool, but not SOR), and Spikeout (great, but again, not SOR). All of those (especially Fighting Force) were likely attempts to do SOR in 3D but it just never ended up happening, when especially today the idea could work.

A 3D SOR in the Yakuza engine would be crazy cool.

They should make a new Streets of Rage with the RGG engine.

Exactly. It's the most obvious thing ever. Either SOR or Golden Axe.

I want a yakuza game without the fighting, you know, exploring and minigames.

Then there's already a game for you, it's called Shenmue 3 ;)
 
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Danny Dudekisser

I paid good money for this Dynex!
I was going to make fun of the OP for wanting no Yakuza in a game that's called Yakuza... but y'know what? He makes some fair points. It would be interesting to see a similar gameplay with a different backdrop.

As far as Judgment... I loved the game, but they should have called it "Surprise! It's More Yakuza"
 

Gargus

Banned
I know about that game, but I really have zero familiarity with the source material, so it never really interested me much. Didn't think it was something I could get into without having watched the anime or read a manga of it.

You dont really need to know much. Yeah characters pop up in it from the source material but knowledge of them from it doesn't require you to know them. It isn't like a sequel or anything.

I liked it ok but the driving sections are boring and it gets tedious towards the end and I found myself just going as fast as I could at the end to get it over with.
 

Eiknarf

Member
Is Yakuza 6 as good or better (more fun) than Yakuza 0?

Yakuza 0 is the only one I’ve played and was interested in trying another
 

drganon

Member
Is Yakuza 6 as good or better (more fun) than Yakuza 0?

Yakuza 0 is the only one I’ve played and was interested in trying another
I thought it was. But you may want to check out kiwani 1 and 2 and maybe even the remastered collection first if you want to get the most out of the story and characters.
 

xrnzaaas

Member
Is Yakuza 6 as good or better (more fun) than Yakuza 0?

Yakuza 0 is the only one I’ve played and was interested in trying another
Yakuza 0 is probably the best game in the series (I haven't played 4, 5 and 7 yet), but it doesn't change the fact that Yakuza 6 is a VERY good game. Onomichi is an awesome seaside town even though it's a small map (Kamurocho is still there ofc). The combat may feel simplistic compared to 0's, but that doesn't have to be a weakness... depends on your taste. It's definitely nice that all conversations in Y6 are dubbed, it's not only text with characters staying silent.

If you have enough time I would recommend playing 1-5 first. The game has recaps of some of the events from previous games, but I think it's better to experience them yourself.
 
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Eiknarf

Member
Yeah I’ll pick up Yakuza 6.
I heard “it wasn’t as good” because “they did away with the three fighting styles” that we had per character in Yakuza 0. But, I never cared about that. I basically used one style anyway.

plus Yakuza 6 was built on a new engine that I’m curious to try
 

GymWolf

Member
yakuza 6 is fantastic, fight me.
yakuza 0 is just better (the best yakuza game for me)

now i'm playing judgment, a good game, but i still prefer yakuza main saga.
really curious to try y7 with that rpg combat system, do we know anything about a release date for the west?
 

Eiknarf

Member
yakuza 6 is fantastic, fight me.
yakuza 0 is just better (the best yakuza game for me)

now i'm playing judgment, a good game, but i still prefer yakuza main saga.
really curious to try y7 with that rpg combat system, do we know anything about a release date for the west?
What’s Yakuza 7? I thought 6 was the final one?
 

Miles708

Member
Yeah I’ll pick up Yakuza 6.
I heard “it wasn’t as good” because “they did away with the three fighting styles” that we had per character in Yakuza 0. But, I never cared about that. I basically used one style anyway.

plus Yakuza 6 was built on a new engine that I’m curious to try

What? Who did tell you that!
Yakuza 6 is the best in the series, and one on the best game of the gen!
 
Sounds like not many here have tried Yakuza: Dead Souls. A zombie apocalypse Yakuza makes for a good change of pace when series fatigue kicks in.

Let's hope SEGA doesn't forget to re-release it given how difficult to find at a decent price it is these days for Ps3 😅
 

SEGA_2012

Member
Sounds like not many here have tried Yakuza: Dead Souls. A zombie apocalypse Yakuza makes for a good change of pace when series fatigue kicks in.

Let's hope SEGA doesn't forget to re-release it given how difficult to find at a decent price it is these days for Ps3 😅

I got the Platinum Trophy, really great game. I hope they release a remaster with 60FPS, the only problem of the game was the slowdown in some moments.
 

ISubZBR

Member
Fist of north star lost paradise is all what you want. This game is incredible, seriously.
Just loved to the death.
Atatatatata...

You dont need to know the original source because The game adapt part of original, with New things.

These New things isnt so good as original source, but, dont spoils The experience
 
The trouble for me with this series is the combat gets incredibly repetitive and old long before you reach the end.

I was only able to beat Yakuza 0 solely because I wanted to see how the story ended, the combat was an absolute slog by the end.

For starters we don't need the random street battles or at least a lot less of them.

Everything else is great though.
 

theclaw135

Banned
I was kinda upset. I wanted Streets of Rage in 3D.
Not er... whatever Yakuza is trying to be. All the minigames and cutscenes drown out Sega's arcade expertise.
 

Eiknarf

Member
Enjoying Yakuza 6 as much as Yakuza 0. I’m on Chapter 10.

I heard of two new “Yakuza” games without Kiryu

So what are these two new games:

“Yakuza: Like a Dragon”
and
“Judgement”

Are those two related to each other?
 
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Deleted member 17706

Unconfirmed Member
You know... me, too. I love the Yakuza series and their game/world design philosophy. It would be great to see it employed with something completely different. Judgment was a great departure, but something even more than that would be interesting.
 

GymWolf

Member
Enjoying Yakuza 6 as much as Yakuza 0. I’m on Chapter 10.

I heard of two new “Yakuza” games without Kiryu

So what are these two new games:

“Yakuza: Like a Dragon”
and
“Judgement”

Are those two related to each other?
no, yakuza like a dragon is basically yakuza 7, and judgement is yakuza in detective\courtroom sauce.
 

Eiknarf

Member
no, yakuza like a dragon is basically yakuza 7, and judgement is yakuza in detective\courtroom sauce.
Just ordered Judgement

it looks cool that you could jump off the wall and kick somebody in the face

I will be playing it this Friday
 
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