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Guerrilla Games may indicate that they have bigger plans for the Decima Engine
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Elder Legend
Banned
They should focus more on actually making good gameplay rather than worrying about their techy visuals.
Their titles always had lackluster gameplay.
Their titles always had lackluster gameplay.
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Zekra Dezivad
Member
Zero Dawn clearly shows that it was their first attempt with the genre, but Forbidden West gameplay is very good. I think that with their last releases like Tlou2, Ragnarok, Forbidden West, Ghost of Tsushima, sonys first party really made a big leap forward in developing mainstream games with very solid gameplay experiences.
Elder Legend
Banned
Never said anything bad about other studios's gameplay. Forbidden West is practically same as Zero Dawn, just some new things. Honestly, it feels like a slog playing through imo.
March Climber
Member
The guys optimizing the engine are sometimes different people than the guys directing the gameplay design.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Probably going to bring decima up to UE5 standards and feature set.
Varteras
Gold Member
I felt the difficulty curve got too high, too fast, too early. My weapons constantly felt weak compared to what I was being forced to fight. In Zero Dawn, I welcomed virtually any enemy engagement. In Forbidden West, I just wanted to avoid most of them and that was before I was even a third of the way into the game. Because of that, I quickly lost any desire to explore and do side missions. Followed not long after by dreading what the main missions were going to throw at me. Most engagements devolved into me laying traps on an enemy's path. Because those seemed to be the only thing I had that did much damage to most enemies early on. And I had to hope I had the materials to craft more on the fly if things went South.
nowhat
Member
I'm not trying to tell you how to play a game, but the side quests in Forbidden West can give you quite nice gear (and also level you up, obviously). For example, in the tutorial area you can get the first version of the spike thrower. Which, while basic, is quite effective at the beginning of the game.
Varteras
Gold Member
By the time I stopped bothering much with side quests, I hadn't seen anything to suggest that they would give me anything to help. Like I said, I felt Zero Dawn was perfect for how it handled difficulty at various stages. Maybe a little too easy at the end. FW just made so many engagements feel like mini-boss fights. Nearly every enemy just felt like it had so much damn health.
The most disturbing thing that this infantile shit written by a member of so called "gaming press".
midnightAI
Member
With a dev team as large as GG that will definitely be the case.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Let’s not forget Returnal, easily their best game ever in regards to gameplay. No cinematic bullshit!
midnightAI
Member
Correct, several articles out there suggest that Horizon: Zero Dawn took so long was due to them writing Decima from scratch as well as making the game. This is wrong, three games came out before Zero Dawn that used Decima, first was Killzone SF, then Until Dawn (and you could argue none of Supermassive games have looked as good since), and then Rigs Mechanised Combat.
Roman Empire
Member
Aside from expanding Sony Studios and third party usage of the engine. Will they push it to be an UE5 competitor and make movies and series with it? All speculation from my side but it's hard to imagine how much work something like that would require when UE5 is so feature rich.
Whatever they are working on, it's nice to hear they're expanding the scope for this engine in particular because I find it has a lot of potential for commercial success.
Whatever they are working on, it's nice to hear they're expanding the scope for this engine in particular because I find it has a lot of potential for commercial success.
Aaron Olive
Member
Yup was going to say the same….
Proper HDR support
World partition
Ray-traced rendering
NVME support for kraken compression for faster load times.
Better physics capabilities
Animation rigging improvements
Better PBR
Shader calculations
Collisions/clipping = Aloy’s hair!
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I wonder if they will bring their own version of UE5's Lumen lighting system to it, or boost what they already have.
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Probably not a bad idea.
shaddam
Member
Frostbite engine fucked up EA pretty well after they forced it
Ronin_7
Member
This is a delusional Take.
Engine is always a priority, you gotta keep evolving that engine to keep with current hardware & graphic trends.
As for Gameplay the combat & movement is top notch, maybe your complaints are about the climbing sections? Those sure need work.
Ronin_7
Member
Unlikely unless they can port the whole Naughty Dog, Insomniac and others code into it which is probably impossible.
The other teams also have their engine teams they just never named their engines but i can tell you that Insomniac couldn't give 2 shits about Decima
TheRedRiders
Member
Scalability across platforms as well. So streamlining ports to a future console, and especially PC's. Maybe even mobile phones.
It's a good choice by Sony, to have an accessible engine with an advanced feature set for their first party titles and even 3rd party.
More importantly it'll save both Sony and the studios using it on time and cost, and they won't have to give any royalties to the owners as would be the case with UE5.
Yeah I know, for new acquired studios it could workUnlikely unless they can port the whole Naughty Dog, Insomniac and others code into it which is probably impossible.
The other teams also have their engine teams they just never named their engines but i can tell you that Insomniac couldn't give 2 shits about Decima
Ronin_7
Member
Yeah absolutely but I think those US based studios are either on Unreal or Custom technology.
StealthGoblin
Banned
What? Forbidden West’s gameplay is great. Combat is ace (still room for improvement with human to human) and the puzzle variety was hugely improved.
Moment to moment I’ve found it the second most engaging combat so far on PS5 (behind my current GOTY Returnal).
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I hope not.
Naughty Dog engine.........every time they push the limits we question how they are getting this shit running on PS3, PS4......I await the moment I see their engine on PS5 and start thinking how did they fit this shit on this peasantry of a machine.
Insomniacs engine is so performant for them it doesnt make any sense, any sense to abandon it.....hell have we ever even seen Decima do any form of RayTracing?
HouseMarquee working with their voxel engine and Unreal Engine 5 sounds like a match made in heaven......I hope HouseMarquee got a bunch of dosh from Sony for their next game.
I dont think we have seen Santa Monica really stretch their legs yet, after what they did with God of War 3 and God of War'18 im waiting for them to give me that Cronos moment.
When I saw Ghost of Tsushima reveal, I was like whatever this engine is, SuckerPunch need to keep going with this, the fact the final game looked even better....ooooffff....people seem to forget its their own engine.
I think it just means they have ambitious plans for improving the engine itself, though I'm sure more titles will use it too like Death Stranding 2.
It will look like KZ:SF
That game was a launch PS4 game 10yrs ago and looks better than most games even today:
KungFucius
King Snowflake
The upgrade system was extremely shitty. To upgrade the good weapons you need several random drops from tough enemies so you have to put in considerable time traveling to a site, killing one, traveling to another site, killing another.... repeat 10 times until you get the drop. If they need the Apex version, you need to keep notes of which sites on the map actually spawn those. It is obnoxious, grindy, bullshit, and fucking terrible. I absolutely hate it. I have no issue with needing to cleave parts off of things though. I actually enjoy that. It's the random drops and the fact that you need so many of them to upgrade weapons. Who the fuck thinks that this shit is fun? It is the worst kind of grindy bloat. Also why the fuck would you need an Apex ____ heart to upgrade a fucking bow? It's stupid as shit on top of being unfun.
Moses85
Member
They pumped a lot of money into the development of that engine, so this makes sense
The artful mincer
Member
They are among the best if not the best 3rd person combat designers in the industry.
I loved RE4 remake but the boss fights in that game... damn they are so simple and straight forward. Some of even the medium to small machines are deeper and more complex than any boss in that game.
Everything outside the combat though ok I agree.
Drizzlehell
Banned
Wow, what a nothing burger.
Ansphn
Member
What games do you play? Your top 5 this gen so far.
nowhat
Member
...no. No random drops. Specific parts, which I think is a huge upgrade from the first game, where the drops are indeed random. With the sequel, you just need to have enough determination/effort to remove those specific parts, so it's skill instead of luck. Or you can turn on auto loot in accessibility settings if you don't like that system.
Zekra Dezivad
Member
I'm pretty sure that with Horizon they made a very big upgrade to handle open world
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Bigger plans.....Aloy is getting fatter in each new game, so they must be making a seperate Aloy Buffet Buster game in addition to Horizon 3
midnightAI
Member
Quite possibly, but engines evolve over time naturally, so that wouldn't surprise me, Killzone did have some quite open foresty areas though so may have already been in the plans when creating the engine.
I'm sure the next stuff they will be adding is ray tracing. Possibly improved global illumination, they can go all out with PS5 being the minimim spec.
Games of Today
Member
I can only get so erect. I'd even like to see Killzone 1.
Holammer
Member
Think bigger, offer the engine and tools to third party developers. Said it before, but Death's Stranding might have been a test run.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Doesnt Decima already have its own streaming solution that rivals if not bests World Partition.
I thought the physics in Burning Shores was pretty impressive as is.
Whats wrong with their PBR system in Decima?....Especially considering one of Unreals weaknesses atleast in 5.0 was its material system....alot of devs and people coming from other material systems usually critique Unreals material system.....it was one of the hardest things for me to grasp when making materials from scratch. If I use MegaScans or Vray Datasmith that basically automates the process but that still relies on me using another DCC so to speak to actually make the material then Datasmith converts it.....but when i look at the shader graph Datasmith has made in Unreal.....im like what the fuck is this?
What Shader calculations?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
of course. best engine in the bizz
powered by Herman, Cerny, Kojima's jizz
powered by Herman, Cerny, Kojima's jizz
FalsettoVibe
Member
I'd argue that having a really good game engine is more important. Not only does it benefit the studio, but it can benefit many studios under Sony's umbrella and studios that they work closely with. This saves time/money and reduces the reliability on outside engines like Unreal and Unity. Also, I don't agree that their games lack in the gameplay department. In other areas yeah, but not gameplay.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
the creation engine doesn't have one thing or the other.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
NO WAY will this happen. You guys don't understand just how great and smart the people at Epic are. It's basically unreal.....
