Wafflecakes
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Its more than just this thread. Not going to go into it in here though.
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Evergreen State college to pay professor at center of protests 500k
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White guy crying racism? Jesus you're disingenuous.
Sho_Nuff82
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Telling people to leave campus was a terrible idea.
I mean you brought it up.
and you cant read, so where do we go from here?
lots of white moderates/centrists on this site don't like me. It's very much a personal problem (for them) that exactly 0 of them have ever addressed me privately.
Squirrel Killer
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Casting the professor's comments as "white-guy-crying-racism" makes me think that while you may have read his comments, you haven't processed them.
I like how you tried to argue against a claim of being disingenuous by being disingenuous.
Dude Abides
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Suing your employer for failing to protect you from "verbal hostility" sounds kinda snowflakey.
I don't like the idea of putting the students in the cross hairs of the conservative, freeze peach, reverse racism is the real racism folks in retaliation though
Sorry for not giving the benefit of the doubt to a white guy who thinks incorporating initiatives to improve Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion in employee performance reviews is racism against white people. THEN following him to go on a bunch of right wing media platforms to cry about being a victim because students non violently organized against him and said some mean things in the process?
Yes, that's white guy crying racism
At one point his wife was threatened and there were people moving throughout the campus searching from car to car for him.
Shit was absolutely mental.
These were the same protesters that effectively took the the president of the college hostage and wouldn't let him use the bathroom on their own.
That's one of the reasons why he took issue with what the protesters initially wanted.
Shit was absolutely mental.
These were the same protesters that effectively took the the president of the college hostage and wouldn't let him use the bathroom on their own.
He's Jewish actually, a group of people that have had to deal with their own forms of discrimination.
That's one of the reasons why he took issue with what the protesters initially wanted.
I think it can be said that this could be considered a bad idea without having to constantly worry about the alt-right getting a new scapegoat.
So you didn't read or are choosing to ignore the part where students were actively looking for him, going to car to car, throughout campus.
You left out the "threats of physical violence"
Battle Litany
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Is this place even a real university? Just briefly reading about them makes them sound like like another "alternative college" like the new school in nyc
Alexander DeLarge
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Exactly. I'm more concerned about the fact that a self-identified progressive professor had to go on Tucker Carlson to get his pretty reasonable message out to the world because the CNNs and MSNBCs of the world wouldn't even hear this guy out than the fact that he went on Tucker Carlson.
Off topic but What makes the new school an alternative campus lol
Count Dookkake
Member
Oh, that's just awful.
He should have held out for more.
He should have held out for more.
Audioboxer
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One of the worst examples of the left eating it's own imaginable given the professors history with fighting for equality and being as progressive as they come. Not to mention an evolutionary biology teacher so he was actually giving out high quality scientific education. I can't remember what his wife was teaching. If you want one of the best case studies to look at it's of Bret Weinstein. Not surprised the College settled.
Some activist students in America are absolutely fucking bonkers. Like genuinely a threat, if not the most unequiped for life, bratish, hostile and aggressive young kids you could ever find. Some of the videos of these students on YouTube are downright embarrassing to the human race that these young adults would refer to themselves as intellectuals in higher education. Shameful that people behave in the ways some of them did with the threats, hostility, demands and abuse.
Some activist students in America are absolutely fucking bonkers. Like genuinely a threat, if not the most unequiped for life, bratish, hostile and aggressive young kids you could ever find. Some of the videos of these students on YouTube are downright embarrassing to the human race that these young adults would refer to themselves as intellectuals in higher education. Shameful that people behave in the ways some of them did with the threats, hostility, demands and abuse.
So you didn't read the parts where the students were getting death threats of their own because the guy went on a right wing media tour?
Trust me when I say it's not exclusive to white people. I've seen you're previous posts in other threads and it's always you being the most judgemental or reactionary. It's perfectly alright to criticize him for going on Fox News, but ignoring the context and following events tells me you tend to ignore information that opposes your personal narrative.
It's weird using a buncha kids still in school as an example of "everything wrong with The Left"
That's what literally happened here.
there's no love lost, trust.
It's not just the kids but also the larger reaction to the situation.
one of = every?
Audioboxer
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Not at all. The youth are the future generations growing up to "run" countries. I said this is a good case study of the left eating it's own and it is. I didn't say it was everything wrong with the left.
Was responding to the post I quoted which mentioned nothing of "larger reaction to the situation"
But kids are fucking dumb. The good thing is they're still in school and still young. They can learn from their actions before they get out into the real world and improve their politics and strategies a bit. I think pointing at a bunch of kids as T H E problem with The Left is just fucking silly to me. I'm sorry
They are associated with the left so the left naturally gets bad press whenever they do something stupid.
Also these aren't fucking high schoolers. They're in college. They're old enough to fuck and some are old enough to drink. They are not "kids". Stop downplaying shitty behavior just because they are politically aligned with yours.
It spoke generally in the first paragraph and more specifically in the second.
Karsticles
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Some of these people are in their 20s. Stop calling them "kids".
These people can vote.
Get pregnant.
Get married.
Take out student loans.
Own a house.
Drive.
Join the military.
These are not kids.
But they are kids. They're still learning and for the most part they probably learning about politics through the politics of their own campuses which are their communities.
Yeah, this settlement isn't surprising. The university fucked up and handled everything poorly, they needed to either come out in support of the professor immediately as a faculty member or tell him and his wife to stay off campus completely until everything blew over. By not doing either they made things worse and exposed him to all the abuse he got. 500k for two faculty members honestly seems a little low given everything that happened, but I suppose everyone involved wanted to get it behind them and move on.
Audioboxer
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They behave like kids. It's the height of temper tantrums and throwing toys out of the pram at the mere sight of any sort of debate, conflict or situation that might require a civil conversation. The aggression, demands, threats and everything on display that's caught on tape are the kinds of footage you'll hope they'll rewatch one day and think "maybe I was out of line there". Then again some "kids" never grow up.
Colleges and Universities are supposed to be breeding grounds for intellectual stimulation, debate, challenges and for you and your world views to be put under test. It's no wonder the right get so much damn mileage out of education with some of what's caught on camera or described in modern education.
Learning about yourself and how to mature is one thing, threatening people, screaming demands in their faces, getting uncontrollably angry and calling for jobs/blood at the mere sniff of a disagreement is another. Reasonable educational institutions would be disciplining some of the behaviour that went on, not entertaining it. You can't threaten people, let alone your own professors. Hence why the lawsuit came about and why it's been settled.
Alexander DeLarge
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They're not kids. They're adults. They can vote, they can get media coverage, they can influence and steer the discussion across the country (for better or worse), they can be violent and they can make their campuses look like war zones if things get out of hand.
That doesn't make them kids. People continue to learn about themselves all throughout their lives.
My problem is that you excuse threats against him as not being an issue, because according to you he was never in danger since a black person wouldn't risk their educational prospects over this.
First off, this isn't "punching a Nazi". It's just some guy who didn't agree with what was happening. Not everything is a threat against the livelihood of black people and needs to be responded to as such (ie. threatening him is outrageous).
Second, you for some reason assume that it is black people threatening him. Why?
Lastly, drawing these racial concessions of "well clearly he was safe because a black person _______" is beyond absurd. You are drawing arbitrary lines so that no matter what happens, the argument will fall in your favour.
I have no issues with you hating this guy, or whatever, but changing the rules and context as you go is extremist nonsense. Using this logic we can condemn and/or justify anything we want, and it's detrimental to people who are actually trying to do good, imo.
Karsticles
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You could say this about most people in their 40s. Not kids.
The fact that our society has extended childhood into the late teenage years doesn't change their legal status. That's my point. Are our young people today increasingly maladapted to adult life and lacking the emotional sophistication necessary for the world outside of education? As a teacher, I say "god damn it, yes".
I agree about everything you say otherwise, though. At a previous high school I taught at, a number of my students planned on going to a "Christian University" so that they could be in a familiar culture. To those I knew well enough that I felt like they wouldn't cry to their parents about oppression, I would tell them what a mistake that is. The point of higher education is to challenge yourself intellectually and expand your mind about different viewpoints. To go to a school with the intention of keeping your beliefs intact is missing the point entirely. I wish we wouldn't even dignify such schools as being universities in this day and age.
They have responsibilities and are going to have to be responsible for their actions. Sure. Not arguing otherwise. I'm just saying it's silly to hold people, kids essentially, who are still living on college campuses and kinda new to politics and adulthood in general as what's holding The Left Back from achieving glory or whatever. That's nonsense man.
It was offered as an example of the left eating its own. The teacher is unquestionably very liberal and the students threatening him were also unquestionably on the left.
Stupid college kids aren't holding the left back, but it doesn't help when people prop them up or excuse their actions.
Dude Abides
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The article says both. I focused on the ironic part.
Battle Litany
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You shouldn't paint with such a broad brush.
There's nothing wrong with the vast majority of Christian colleges. Notre Dame is better than 99% of universities in the country.
Most Christian universities aren't propaganda factories like Liberty.
The Maverick
Member
This thread is already a mess.
The professor made a bad decision putting the students in the crosshairs of the conservative types.
Yeah exactly
If someone is talking about a "Christian" college, they mean an Evangelical school. (Just like w/ nearly every other usage of "Christian" where you could otherwise specify a denomination.)
Going to Notre Dame or Georgetown? Awesome. Liberty? Not so much.
I don't see the irony
Does the professor call other people snowflakes or something?
What should he have done instead?